Not good for new users

[CataD]

If a new member offers to send USPS money order by priority mail, it has a tracking number, and usually takes only two or three days to arrive. This way the seller may not mind waiting a few days to get the money. I have sold this way before.

Yes, it's one way of doing things, true. What prevents a scammer (obviously, no reference to the OP) to send an USPS money order and then, upon receiving the knife, say that it was scammed and sent the wrong/no item, and turn everything in a Federal case?

Thanks!

 

[CataD]

I find it helps to ask if the new member has trading feedback somewhere else. They might be new here but have 1000+ transactions with 100% feedback on Ebay.

Edit to rephrase:

Ballstothewalls had a great reputation elsewhere when he first joined BF. Let's ask the guys that got scammed by him how they feel about this .
I could give you more examples, but I guess you get my point...

Thanks!

 

[hhmoore]

Yes, it's one way of doing things, true. What prevents a scammer (obviously, no reference to the OP) to send an USPS money order and then, upon receiving the knife, say that it was scammed and sent the wrong/no item, and turn everything in a Federal case?

Thanks!

That would be more work, with higher risk to the scammer. Not an impossible scenario, though.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

Edit to rephrase:

Ballstothewalls had a great reputation elsewhere when he first joined BF. Let's ask the guys that got scammed by him how they feel about this .
I could give you more examples, but I guess you get my point...

Thanks!

And Snowreaper1 had 100% positive feedback here in the 60's when he made off with a $700 knife.....

 

[benchwarmer380]

Edit to rephrase:

Ballstothewalls had a great reputation elsewhere when he first joined BF. Let's ask the guys that got scammed by him how they feel about this .
I could give you more examples, but I guess you get my point...

Thanks!

Dont trust anybody?


Scammers come in all shapes and sizes and will do whatever they can to game honest people and the system. Sure, the methods people mentioned are not nor can ever be 100% foolproof, it is still sound advice to do what you can to protect yourself.

 

[CataD]

That would be more work, with higher risk to the scammer. Not an impossible scenario, though.

Thanks, I see your point..

And Snowreaper1 had 100% positive feedback here in the 60's when he made off with a $700 knife.....

I don't remember that one, unfortunately, I'll have to search for it. But, yes, nothing is 100% sure so why would I increase my chances of getting scammed?

Also, I would add that maybe the OP should have started off with something like: "Hey, I would like to buy knife X, if you wouldn't mind. I'm new here, I joined today and this is my first post, but I'm this Y guy from 'random forum/bay' and we can chat there so you can see I'm legit". The person did not, not even after I told him/her the reasons why I'm not comfortable selling.

Thanks!

 

[benchwarmer380]

I don't remember that one, unfortunately, I'll have to search for it. But, yes, nothing is 100% sure so why would I increase my chances of getting scammed?

Thanks!

What do you mean by this?

 

[CataD]

Dont trust anybody?


Scammers come in all shapes and sizes and will do whatever they can to game honest people and the system. Just because the methods people mentioned are not nor can ever be 100% foolproof, they still gave sound advice to do what you can to protect yourself.

I absolutely did not say that! I said that I can give more examples of people that had great reputations elsewhere and then joined BF and scammed people. And I've trusted a lot of people and many trusted me (Thank you very much!)..

Yes, and I appreciate the advice and maybe I'll take them into consideration in the future.

I wrote this in my first post, I have and will deal with new members that have been contributing to the Forums at least a bit. Everyone has his own threshold and for me is that I can't conduct transactions with people that join and post their first post trying to buy a rather (again, for me) expensive item.

Thank you!

 

[CataD]

What do you mean by this?

Lone_Wolfe said this: And Snowreaper1 had 100% positive feedback here in the 60's when he made off with a $700 knife.....

And I replied: But, yes, nothing is 100% sure so why would I increase my chances of getting scammed?

From what Lone_Wolfe said, I understood that even members with high rating here can scam people. She is right and I said it in my first post as well. So, if there's a risk to deal with someone that has high rating here, isn't it a higher risk in dealing with someone that joins and posts right away to buy a not-cheap knife?

What did you understand from my statement?

 

[benchwarmer380]

I absolutely did not say that! I said that I can give more examples of people that had great reputations elsewhere and then joined BF and scammed people. And I've trusted a lot of people and many trusted me (Thank you very much!)..

Yes, and I appreciate the advice and maybe I'll take them into consideration in the future.

I wrote this in my first post, I have and will deal with new members that have been contributing to the Forums at least a bit. Everyone has his own threshold and for me is that I can't conduct transactions with people that join and post their first post trying to buy a rather (again, for me) expensive item.

Thank you!

Sorry about that. You had two posts in a row with examples showing the negative minority of what could happen regarding the suggestions. My apologies for misinterpreting your meaning.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Lone_Wolfe said this: And Snowreaper1 had 100% positive feedback here in the 60's when he made off with a $700 knife.....

And I replied: But, yes, nothing is 100% sure so why would I increase my chances of getting scammed?

From what Lone_Wolfe said, I understood that even members with high rating here can scam people. She is right and I said it my first post as well. So, if there's a risk to deal with someone that has high rating here, isn't it a higher risk in dealing with someone that joins and posts right away to buy a not-cheap knife?

What did you understand from my statement?

My apologies again! I read your posts yesterday but just read this page today and didnt connect the dots on who's posts i was reading. Makes 100% sense now and i completely see your point and dont disagree with your actions.

Dang, clarity is not my strong suit today.

 

[CataD]

Sorry about that. You had two posts in a row with examples showing the negative minority if what could happen regarding the suggestions. My apologies for misinterpreting your meaning.

My apologies again! I read your posts yesterday but just read this page today and didnt connect the dots on who's posts i was reading. Makes 100% sense now and i completely see your point and dont disagree with your actions.

Dang, clarity is not my strong suit today.

Absolutely no worries! I can see how written words can be misunderstood/misinterpreted, it happens to me quite often . Thanks for your questions, they gave a chance to try to clarify my thoughts/posts.

Cheers!

 

[Peter Hartwig]

Yes, it's one way of doing things, true. What prevents a scammer (obviously, no reference to the OP) to send an USPS money order and then, upon receiving the knife, say that it was scammed and sent the wrong/no item, and turn everything in a Federal case?

Thanks!

That would be pretty low to nonexistent on my worry list. Scammers are not going to want to get involved with law enforcement in any way, much less perjure themselves to the law in order to pull off the scam. That would be a very high risk game. Slip up there and it is off to jail. Slip up with PP and all that happens is your scam didn't work.

 

[CataD]

That would be pretty low to nonexistent on my worry list. Scammers are not going to want to get involved with law enforcement in any way, much less perjure themselves to the law in order to pull off the scam. That would be a very high risk game. Slip up there and it is off to jail. Slip up with PP and all that happens is your scam didn't work.

Thanks, sounds like a possible solution...
Cheers!

 

[7rattlesbushcraft]

I have never understood these silly type of rules... I have an internet store, I sell to whoever and just about wherever in the world. It would really be hard if I start with you need to be at least 6 feet tall to buy from me...

 

[loon#r]

Only been here a while myself but that's gotta be close to a record from first post to leaving, less than an hour.

And good riddance given the incessant whining in that short history.

Guys like him serve a purpose, like BOBO on Stern. But agree.

 

[stonesell]

I have never understood these silly type of rules... I have an internet store, I sell to whoever and just about wherever in the world. It would really be hard if I start with you need to be at least 6 feet tall to buy from me...

Whether knives on the forums here, or products from my other businesses, I’ve always sold to just about anyone that comes along. Many decades without a single problem, but I’ve always been prepared to persistently pursue anyone that cheated me. Never happened though.

 

[CataD]

I have never understood these silly type of rules... I have an internet store, I sell to whoever and just about wherever in the world. It would really be hard if I start with you need to be at least 6 feet tall to buy from me...

And I sold to you after you've been on BF for a few months and had +1 feedback... You were pretty new but I did consider you a contributing member.

I don't have an internet store and I'm not a business that takes into consideration possible issues and insures (beyond shipping insurance and PP ins.) for them.

What is silly about a person (not a company) making sure he/she doesn't take high risks, please?

Thanks!

 

[Peter Hartwig]

I have never understood these silly type of rules... I have an internet store, I sell to whoever and just about wherever in the world. It would really be hard if I start with you need to be at least 6 feet tall to buy from me...

That is the proper way to run a business, but for most here we are not running a business. There is risk, but no profit to compensate for that risk. Most of us are selling at a loss or at best break even. If you loose a knife it sucks, but for some it could be a financial hardship. The reason they are selling in the 1st place may be do to bad times. A little more caution is reasonable, but it certainly can be taken to extremes.

 

[stonesell]

A lot of experience does help one to “read” a potential buyer, and then proceed with caution, and certain safeguard protocols that one learns in business.
I still believe, and judging from my experience, that most people are honest. I always start with this premise, until something seems out of place.
It is prudent for the average person to be extremely cautious in today’s world, especially when the potential financial loss of a bad deal, could be a hardship for them and their families.