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stonesell said:
I still believe, and judging from my experience, that most people are honest. I always start with this premise, until something seems out of place.
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So true-These scammers are really such a very small fraction of a % of this forum and their time here is often brief. It is a shame they can have any effect on it at all, much less a substantial one on peoples thinking. Knife people in general seem to be a very fine bunch of individuals. Unfortunately scammers are sort of like hurricanes-it doesn't matter how many there are in a season if you get hit by one, your not a happy person.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
So true-These scammers are really such a very small fraction of a % of this forum and their time here is often brief. It is a shame they can have any effect on it at all, much less a substantial one on peoples thinking. Knife people in general seem to be a very fine bunch of individuals. Unfortunately scammers are sort of like hurricanes-it doesn't matter how many there are in a season if you get hit by one, your not a happy person.
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This is very true Peter. Just look here in the GBU......a ‘Good’ post get 2 replies. Bad???? Countless replies.
Tons of flawless transactions are not mentioned......every single bad one is screamed from the hilltops.
I have had countless transactions here and never had a major problem.
Many many honest and good people here.
Joe
 
7rattlesbushcraft said:
I have never understood these silly type of rules... I have an internet store, I sell to whoever and just about wherever in the world. It would really be hard if I start with you need to be at least 6 feet tall to buy from me...
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Most members selling here are not dealers, but hobbyists buying and selling a few knives. Each one weighs the risk/reward ratio and decides if they want to do a deal. There is no forum-wide rule saying new members cannot buy, so the OP may have to give it a few more tries.
 
7rattlesbushcraft said:
I have never understood these silly type of rules... I have an internet store, I sell to whoever and just about wherever in the world. It would really be hard if I start with you need to be at least 6 feet tall to buy from me...
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Doing business as a formal business and doing business as a private individual are two very different things, and each may have a very different set of risk tolerances, and different paths of recourse available to them when an individual transaction goes sideways.
 
Astronaut FX said:
Doing business as a formal business and doing business as a private individual are two very different things, and each may have a very different set of risk tolerances, and different paths of recourse available to them when an individual transaction goes sideways.
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I have zero recourse to do anything to anybody. I use paypal in my store, if their item gets lost or whatever it comes out of my account period...
You guys are worried about less than 1 percent of the customers out there....
As for feedback, i have only bought here... I’m not counting but I’m sure over 20 knives my feedback is 5...
I paid, i sent a thank you note each and every time i received the item... not bitching and i really don’t care but those are the numbers...
Also i have a crap load of knives i will be selling at a loss...
 
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7rattlesbushcraft said:
I have zero recourse to do anything to anybody. I use paypal in my store, if their item gets lost or whatever it comes out of my account period...
You guys are worried about less than 1 percent of the customers out there....
As for feedback, i have only bought here... I’m not counting but I’m sure over 20 knives my feedback is 5...
I paid, i sent a thank you note each and every time i received the item... not bitching and i really don’t care but those are the numbers...
Also i have a crap load of knives i will be selling at a loss...
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That’s great, but it doesn’t refute anything in my post that you quoted. You simply described your personal experience, your personal risk tolerance, and the recources available to you. Anecdotal. One person’s view. And perfectly valid for you. But this doesn’t apply equally to everyone, so it’s not terribly difficult to see that different people may have very different experiences.

And yes, some folks may be too “worried” about this. Truth be told, since this is a knife forum, you could just as easily say all those folks who carry knives primarily for self-defense are “too worried.” I’d suggest in today’s world, for the average person, the risk of being scammed over an internet sale is infinitely greater than randomly being attacked on the street. But we all pick and choose what we “worry” ourselves over, and how we prepare ourselves for risks, perceived or real.


So while I respect your take on this, it’s just as fair to respect the views of others.
 
7rattlesbushcraft said:
My experience is selling things for 25 + years. I might have just a tad bit more experience than most...
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Was wondering how long it would take for the snark to appear......and you didn’t disappoint.
We get it, we’re a bunch of rubes.....because you sell a lot of knives and we only sell a few. This is your business, it’s our hobby.
I hope you stick around and educate us with your superior ways and knowledge. On second thought, nah.
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No folks you might want to listen to people who have experience is all I’m saying. Sorry to offend!!!!
And since i can see which way this is going bye!!!
 
7rattlesbushcraft said:
My experience is selling things for 25 + years. I might have just a tad bit more experience than most...
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I owned a retail shop (stereo) for 40 yrs
Business
I have collected and traded knives 40 yrs
Hobby
Never did I confuse the two

When your a business you serve the public
Hobbyists support the hobby
And that's who I reserve to buy and sell to
 
7rattlesbushcraft said:
No folks you might want to listen to people who have experience is all I’m saying. Sorry to offend!!!!
And since i can see which way this is going bye!!!
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You are entitled to your views, as am I and everyone else on the forum, but in the end views(opinions) are just that and each individual has to decide for themselves what risks(even if small) they care to take. They after all will be the one to suffer the consequences of their actions if there are any. Very likely there will not be . This is true both on the buy and the sell side. Sales are going on all the time , so somehow people are getting over any fears they have or adjusting to them. I have done numerous sales and buys without any major problems and have only passed on a buyer or 2 or 3. None of the them likely would have turned out to be a problem, few are, but I just chose to play it safe, since that option(in the rules) is open to me.
 
TruBlu said:
So I was looking into buying a knife. A good one. I came across this forum. I found a good knife for a good price. Tried to buy it and was turned down for being new. What good is a forum that sells things if new people cannot get a start in them? My money is as good as the next guys. I feel like because I am new and not a existing part of the forum, I am being excluded. That's not a good way to expand in my mind. Can someone explain to me why my hard earned green money is no good here? Ty.
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I'm still relatively new here and am not trying to pose as a veteran of any sorts, but I had the same experience and thought process, and have since gotten past it. I attempted to buy a knife without any feedback and was turned down. I was REALLY nasty to the seller because I thought it made no sense for money to be turned away. I have since browsed GB&U and sold knives of my own here, and I've realized that there are real risks when selling. Sellers should absolutely have the right to be careful and selective.

As others have stated, keep participating, keep trying, and keep browsing GB&U so you can understand how, despite your good intentions, sellers have no way of knowing (yet) that you aren't one of the many scam artists or jerks out there.
 
7rattlesbushcraft said:
My experience is selling things for 25 + years. I might have just a tad bit more experience than most...
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If you've been doing business for 25 years you should be in theory making a profit which can cover losses from fraud. In theory you would even be pricing it (or "breakage") into your overall P&L and do enough volume of deals that go well you can cover those that don't.
 
As fairly new to buying used this things over the internet, flip things the other way. Would you feel comfortable selling to a stranger?

I've bought 3 knives used here. I'm actually feeling good that I didn't have no problems. If I had gotten any pushback I could if pointed back at my community participation in the forums of my good intentions.

I recommend for a newb to buy in Amazon. Safer for everybody. It's what I did.
 
So......... It appears that the seller made the right decision. Op signed up, attempted to purchase with a tenure of "hours". Was turned down, and all remaining posts were here in this thread complaining about that one, and only one attempted transaction. Pretty sure he hasn't even been around for the last few pages of this thread. But has been entertaining none the less. :D.

Even so, it's all good info for other new members.
 
TruBlu said:
Was told it was because I am new and have no feedback. How do you get feedback if new people cannot purchase anything???? I'm truly confused. And been reading rules and etc for hours. Cannot figure out how to get feedback back without interacting in a sale or purchase.
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It can be frustrating because when you finally buy a knife from here you may not even receive feedback in return. I left feedback after buying a knife without receiving it back. It makes it hard to establish yourself if folks won't return feedback.
 
JAG1966 said:
It can be frustrating because when you finally buy a knife from here you may not even receive feedback in return. I left feedback after buying a knife without receiving it back. It makes it hard to establish yourself if folks won't return feedback.
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The forum software doesn't seem to send notice to the person you gave feedback to. If you want them to give feedback it is sometimes helpful to send them a friendly note thanking them for the transaction, mentioning that you left them feedback and asking them to reciprocate.
 
I would argue that documenting the transaction is a key statistic too. The way negative feedback is almost never silently communicated, I would say no feedback is good feedback. I wish there was a way to document the total number of transactions in addition to feedback. I have 3 transactions but only 2 feedback sumbissions.
 
Norcaldude said:
The forum software doesn't seem to send notice to the person you gave feedback to. If you want them to give feedback it is sometimes helpful to send them a friendly note thanking them for the transaction, mentioning that you left them feedback and asking them to reciprocate.
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Good call here. I just noticed this a week ago when I was going through old Feedback and realized I hadn't reciprocated on a transaction or two.
 
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