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LOL! Libertarians generally consider me too conservative. You are only partially correct. I'm a Classical Liberal, not an anarchist. I believe "That government is best that governs least" not "That government is best which governs not at all," though I can certainly see the appeal in that belief. My views are solidly supported by the founding fathers of the United States.
 
awesome but you didn't explain to me why it's ok for guns to have an age requirement but not knives.

"governs the least" and "not governs at all" is a very fine line, since you can always govern less.

Your response was very vague and addressed none of the specific points i mentioned, which leads me to believe that you have nothing intelligent to further contribute to this topic.
 
Other than something like a dagger or fighting Bowie (like a Bagwell as opposed to a utility bowie like an RTAK) a knife is primarily a tool, not a weapon. A slipjoint like an SAK is a lousy weapon and I'd rather use it as a kubotan than a knife if I needed to defend myself with it. A firearm IS a weapon. It is not useful for everyday tasks. That is one difference.

Another thing that you'll really hate is that I really don't see much wrong with children and guns. The issue is tha maturity of the child, not the presence of guns. When I was 7 dad taught me basic marksmanship and safety with an air rifle and the bought me my own air rifle (Daisy 840 one-pump) maybe in November and another, more powerful 10-pump (Daisy Powerline 880) for Christmas. After I proved to be safe with them I was allowed to shoot them in the back yard whenever I wanted to, as long as my homework and chores were completed. The next year I got a pistol, a Crossman 1377, for Christmas. I kept all these guns and their ammunition in my room and had access to them at all times. When I was 11 I asked for and recieved a Marlin Model 60 .22 rifle. I read the manual and learned how to operate it safely. I could only shoot it when my dad was shooting with me so I did not get to shoot it all that much but I could keep in in my room with 2,500 rounds of .22. Compared to my neighbors I was starting out late. Some of them were hunting with firearms while I still shot targets with BBs and pellets. A year later I got another .22, an AR-7, which I later stupidly traded for an AR-7S the next year. At 15 my dad used my room to store his guns and ammunition, so I had access to rifles, shotguns, and revolvers. At 17 I saved up $425.00 for a Browning Hi-Power, which I still own and is my favorite pistol. That summer I took a couple combat pistol classes and learned to use my pistol.

I've never killed anyone in high school. Actually I've never killed anyone at all for that matter. I don't consider myself anything special in that I did not go psycho and kill people. I don't like to think of myself as being one of the minority of responsible people around. If that is the case the country is done for.
 
ayzianboy said:
"governs the least" and "not governs at all" is a very fine line, since you can always govern less.

Governing the least means having the minimal amount of government to keep from slipping into anarchy, about the level of government we had in the late 1700s.

Your response was very vague and addressed none of the specific points i mentioned, which leads me to believe that you have nothing intelligent to further contribute to this topic.

Your insults lead me to believe that you are a leftist and probably only voted for Kerry because you thought the Communist Party did not have a chance. You probably also carry a copy of the Communist Manifesto and Mao's Red Book with you like some people carry a Bible.

You have a lot to learn about freedom, firearms, and self-defense. Your posts on that recent self-defense thread show how clueless you are on these topics. Take a combat pistol class or at least a CCW class and get back to me.
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Benjamin Liu said:
You have a lot to learn about freedom, firearms, and self-defense. Your posts on that recent self-defense thread show how clueless you are on these topics. Take a combat pistol class or at least a CCW class and get back to me.
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ok mall ninja, i'll keep you posted.

i find it really amusing that you keep comparing our laws and state of government to the 1700 and 1800's. News flash: Things change in the last hundred or two hundred years.

the fact that you have no problem with kids and guns reflects your idiocy.

the fact that you cannot get it through your head that just because YOU consider a knife a tool does not mean that everyone else. you could do it, good for you, you get a damn cookie. most teenagers consider it as a weapon.

the issue is always the maturity. What i'm trying to drill into you is that THE MAJORITY OF KIDS/TEENAGERS TODAY DO NOT MEET THAT MATURITY LEVEL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCE WAS. Get that through your thick skull.

i'm done arguing with you. there's no point since your ideal world is one in which Johnny boy goes to 6th grade algebra class decked out in a buck strider with a sig p228 on the hip.
 
the fact that you believe 11 year olds should be allowed to bring guns and knives to school leaves you absolutely no room to talk.
 
I did not say anything about bringing guns to school. Considering your serious misconceptions on CCW, self-defense, and the justified use of force (and your refusal to become educated on these topics) on another thread as well as your views on the concept of unalienable rights, I guess there really isn't much more to say.
 
ayzianboy said:
RIGHT TO LIFE
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No such thing exists. We do not possess life because it is our right to do so. If it was, death would technically be illegal, and that's a rather ridiculous notion, isn't it?
 
Benjamin Liu said:
I did not say anything about bringing guns to school. Considering your serious misconceptions on CCW, self-defense, and the justified use of force (and your refusal to become educated on these topics) on another thread as well as your views on the concept of unalienable rights, I guess there really isn't much more to say.
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He is representative of a vast majority of know-it-all college kids: young minds brimming with PC virtues instilled by a Liberal Education requirements. I myself (graduated this winter) have always cast a critical eye upon any information presented, and I have nothing but contempt for Political correctness. Cultivated Ignorance is the main weapon in the PC arsenal.
 
Urban kids see knives as weapons. I pulled out a SAK once and some kid said, "ooh, he could kill someone very easily with that"
 
GarageBoy said:
Urban kids see knives as weapons. I pulled out a SAK once and some kid said, "ooh, he could kill someone very easily with that"
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thank you, that was my point.

just like texas has different weapons laws than new england states.

in an area where most of the kids see a knife as a weapon, then it's a good idea to not have them in schools.

acolonelofcorn said:
He is representative of a vast majority of know-it-all college kids: young minds brimming with PC virtues instilled by a Liberal Education requirements. I myself (graduated this winter) have always cast a critical eye upon any information presented, and I have nothing but contempt for Political correctness. Cultivated Ignorance is the main weapon in the PC arsenal.
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What a worthless post. On an aside, i'm glad you have contempt for political correctness. Sometimes it's necessary to avoid offending people (ie don't use racial slurs). That aside, what the hell are you talking about. My argument was that although Benjamin grew up knowing how to properly use knives, that is not the case for most of today's youth who view knives as weapons and that is why schools don't allow students to carry knives. And not wrongfully so. There was nothing related to political correctness involved.

That aside, I would say that you beling to this "vast majority of know-it-all college kids" as well. Also, please don't post and pretend to sound intelligent when you actually have nothing of substance to contribute to the topic.
 
ayzianboy said:
thank you, that was my point.

just like texas has different weapons laws than new england states.

in an area where most of the kids see a knife as a weapon, then it's a good idea to not have them in schools.



What a worthless post. On an aside, i'm glad you have contempt for political correctness. Sometimes it's necessary to avoid offending people (ie don't use racial slurs). That aside, what the hell are you talking about. My argument was that although Benjamin grew up knowing how to properly use knives, that is not the case for most of today's youth who view knives as weapons and that is why schools don't allow students to carry knives. And not wrongfully so. There was nothing related to political correctness involved.

That aside, I would say that you beling to this "vast majority of know-it-all college kids" as well. Also, please don't post and pretend to sound intelligent when you actually have nothing of substance to contribute to the topic.
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Try thinking outside the box, "mall ninja".
 
Rugger said:
Wow. In my old school, pocketknives were bought/sold/traded pretty openly. Of course it was 6,000 years ago when the alphabet only went up to "M" and we still thought fire was a pretty nifty new thing.
That being said, anybody who "ratted out" anybody else was usually in line for a "tune up". Those folks were then considered "untouchables".
And yes, with the increased post-Columbine scrutiny, peddling knives on campus, during school hours was not a bright idea.
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And History class was called Current Events.
I owed you one :D


Back in the 80's......1980's the rule was not to bring a knife to school unless it was needed for a special reason like a project. It was to be kept in your locker until needed. But everyone knew most of the guys carried a knife of some kind. I remember riding in the carpentry class van one day when the teacher ask to borrow someones knife. 10 guys ( I was one)reached into thier pockets, stoped, and looked at each other, and said "I don't have one cause we're at school". Teacher says " I know a least one of you has one and I need it. So if you got one let me use it, you won't get in any trouble". As if by magic, 10 guys each held up a knife. He pick one used it for whatever and handed it back. Nothing was ever said about it.
Those where the good ol days.
 
acolonelofcorn said:
Try thinking outside the box, "mall ninja".
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please be more vague in your posts so you can pretend to sound intelligent while in actuality not knowing what you're talking about.
 
ayzianboy said:
please be more vague in your posts so you can pretend to sound intelligent while in actuality not knowing what you're talking about.
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Someone is losing their temper. Simply by saying I dont know what I am talking about you prove yourself a liar. Stop now before you get all befuddled and start weeping. :rolleyes:
 
acolonelofcorn said:
Someone is losing their temper. Simply by saying I dont know what I am talking about you prove yourself a liar. Stop now before you get all befuddled and start weeping. :rolleyes:
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this is a thread on knife safety in school. we're talking about the validity of regulations in most states regarding children not being allowed to have knives in school.

you post about liberal education and political correctness and now make vague and worthless comments like "think outside the box" while contributing nothing of substance to the actual topic at hand. i don't see why you are in this thread except to just be a douche.
 
ayzianboy said:
this is a thread on knife safety in school. we're talking about the validity of regulations in most states regarding children not being allowed to have knives in school.

you post about liberal education and political correctness and now make vague and worthless comments like "think outside the box" while contributing nothing of substance to the actual topic at hand. i don't see why you are in this thread except to just be a douche.
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Dont cry, lady. The point is that you haven't any sense. Your complete lack of understanding is your own failure. Think outside the box. :rolleyes: :p
 
Please continue to say nothing of value on the actual topic of this thread and just post like a huge toolbag. That's the way to go.

And yes, your extra year of education at some college in Minnesota makes you much more intelligent than anyone else. Sounds like you have a superiority complex.
 
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