Not super impressed by Emerson Knives

pachiderm said:
I have to disagree with this. Just because an operator is forced to use a tool that is not ideal for the situation does not mean that he or his unit has somehow failed. These guys frequently find themselves in tough situations that they might not have been able to plan or prepare for, and being able to use what they have, however inadequate it might be, to get the job done is one of the many things that separates them from everyone else.
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Obviously you can find yourself in less than ideal situations. My point is that if you are going blade-to-blade with an opponent and you are using a folding knife, you have somehow lost the use of your rifle, your sidearm, your fixed blade, and you have no buddies to help you.

Could it happen? Yeah. We do train to be able to continue to operate in austere and unexpected conditions. However, putting a feature on the spine of your folding knife to stop a blade from sliding into your hand isn't going to solve the problems you have at that point.
 
MrPocketsOfSteel said:
You Are Trying Too Hard. I feel embarrassed for you. Really.

<sniff> <sniff> I smell deception. Don't try so hard the next time and use another IP. *rolling my eyes*

And go and continue your Little Community Theater Play because I won't visit this Act again. So you can verbally berate me you Tough Marine. Heh.
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Dude. I really have no idea what you're talking about. Are you trying to say I'm using two different accounts to talk to myself?

If so, you're on crack.
 
JCB0802 said:
Obviously you can find yourself in less than ideal situations. My point is that if you are going blade-to-blade with an opponent and you are using a folding knife, you have somehow lost the use of your rifle, your sidearm, your fixed blade, and you have no buddies to help you.

Could it happen? Yeah. We do train to be able to continue to operate in austere and unexpected conditions. However, putting a feature on the spine of your folding knife to stop a blade from sliding into your hand isn't going to solve the problems you have at that point.
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Oh, well since you're an operator, you would know. Just because your ego won't let you believe the story doesn't mean it's not so. If he wanted to be super cool, he'd take full credit all the while claiming to have designed it for it's now intended use. What's so hard to believe about his story? SEALS probably ask for a lot of crap, a blade stop on top of a knife isn't exactly a stretch.

Dude, it was twenty years ago, give it a rest.
 
Number 1 hard use knife in the WORLD! That means Emerson's should be the toughest folder on earth. Very laughable, with those thin liner locks. They are far from the toughest made.
 
I started buying Emerson Knives when they came out as a side hobby to my Benchmade collecting, my first was a BM produced CQC-7.
I found the price high considering they used the same materials as BM, and they still use the same materials while most of the industry has changed with whatever is currently en vogue.

The pro 's are great ergo's and some damn sexy designs.

The con's are stale materials( though still fine ), a pivot that constantly needs tightening, a very thin liner lock, the chisel grind ( though it's touted as awesome by all of the guys that say it's easier to field sharpen on a rock- Makes the knife almost useless for anything other than looking bad ass ), and finally the price for what you get in return- I'd rather buy a BM at this point and have since I sold every Enerson I owned.

I really wanted a Roadhouse, the ergo's are supreme and the tanto is beautiful to me but I'd have to send it to a custom maker to have a thicker lock or frame lock out on,and I'd have to have the edge regrind to a standard V grind to remove the chisel grind. Finally I'd need to Lok-Tite the pivot.
Doing all that to make a brand new and expensive knife suitable for daily tasks is just to much in my opinion.

With all of that said, I was very excited to see ZT collaborate with Mr. Emerson, they'll put out a top quality version of his designs that'll be worth more than they cost and I'm sure I'll pick one up to try it out. I've owned 2 ZT's and both were superb- just a little more knife than I wanted to carry so they left the collection to fund more CRK's.

Just my worthless opinion, and no, you're not alone in wondering what all of the hype was for.
 
straitr said:
Oh, well since you're an operator, you would know. Just because your ego won't let you believe the story doesn't mean it's not so. If he wanted to be super cool, he'd take full credit all the while claiming to have designed it for it's now intended use. What's so hard to believe about his story? SEALS probably ask for a lot of crap, a blade stop on top of a knife isn't exactly a stretch.

Dude, it was twenty years ago, give it a rest.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Those guys are really no different from 0311 Lance Corporal Smuckatelli, except that they've gotten a little better at shooting people in the face. And based on the heinous Smith and Wessons, M-Techs, etc., that I see them carrying on a daily basis, I suppose I could see one of them asking for a blade stop on a folder. I just don't want to believe it. haha
 
JCB0802 said:
Obviously you can find yourself in less than ideal situations. My point is that if you are going blade-to-blade with an opponent and you are using a folding knife, you have somehow lost the use of your rifle, your sidearm, your fixed blade, and you have no buddies to help you.

Could it happen? Yeah. We do train to be able to continue to operate in austere and unexpected conditions. However, putting a feature on the spine of your folding knife to stop a blade from sliding into your hand isn't going to solve the problems you have at that point.
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Unless of course the need for silence is such that a blade is the best option. You ever heard of getting wet with someone? Man I hate that term but its a fact none the less. Is it a wet op?

I'm not just blowing smoke here either and reciting Hollywood. I know blades are used in that capacity.

I have an ASF (auxilery security force) completion certificate from 1989 I believe. I was assigned to a CBU in Washington DC. at the time. My unit was trained by two very salty seals in a little project headed by Marcinko to increase base security after the whole red cell controversey.

Marcinko was the oic of the training but spent all his time in the officers club around the corner. He had been busted to Commander at this point. I know this sounds made up but I swear it's true. Those two seals who did the actual training told us things that were pretty disturbing.

Anyway, I still have the certificate signed by Marcinko.

This doesn't make me an expert on this stuff nor does it give me the credibility for you to blindly believe me either. I'm just saying I know knives are used foremost at times and are in the plan at times. It could be that a skinny unassuming dude sporting a go-tee and tank top with blue jeans is integral. He wouldn't have his normal rifle and sidearm.
 
MrPocketsOfSteel said:
You Are Trying Too Hard. I feel embarrassed for you. Really.

<sniff> <sniff> I smell deception. Don't try so hard the next time and use another IP. *rolling my eyes*

And go and continue your Little Community Theater Play because I won't visit this Act again. So you can verbally berate me you Tough Marine. Heh.
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I really am just seriously confused on how you "smell deception". I don't see how I've attempted to deceive anyone.
 
newknif said:
Unless of course the need for silence is such that a blade is the best option. You ever heard of getting wet with someone? Man I hate that term but its a fact none the less. Is it a wet op?

I'm not just blowing smoke here either and reciting Hollywood. I know blades are used in that capacity.

I have an ASF (auxilery security force) completion certificate from 1989 I believe. I was assigned to a CBU in Washington DC. at the time. My unit was trained by two very salty seals in a little project headed by Marcinko to increase base security after the whole red cell controversey.

Marcinko was the oic of the training but spent all his time in the officers club around the corner. He had been busted to Commander at this point. I know this sounds made up but I swear it's true. Those two seals who did the actual training told us things that were pretty disturbing.

Anyway, I still have the certificate signed by Marcinko.

This doesn't make me an expert on this stuff nor does it give me the credibility for you to blindly believe me either. I'm just saying I know knives are used foremost at times and are in the plan at times. It could be that a skinny unassuming dude sporting a go-tee and tank top with blue jeans is integral. He wouldn't have his normal rifle and sidearm.
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That sounds like a fun time! Those types of guys do tend to have some interesting stories to tell.
 
newknif said:
Unless of course the need for silence is such that a blade is the best option. You ever heard of getting wet with someone? Man I hate that term but its a fact none the less. Is it a wet op?

I'm not just blowing smoke here either and reciting Hollywood. I know blades are used in that capacity.

I have an ASF (auxilery security force) completion certificate from 1989 I believe. I was assigned to a CBU in Washington DC. at the time. My unit was trained by two very salty seals in a little project headed by Marcinko to increase base security after the whole red cell controversey.

Marcinko was the oic of the training but spent all his time in the officers club around the corner. He had been busted to Commander at this point. I know this sounds made up but I swear it's true. Those two seals who did the actual training told us things that were pretty disturbing.

Anyway, I still have the certificate signed by Marcinko.

This doesn't make me an expert on this stuff nor does it give me the credibility for you to blindly believe me either. I'm just saying I know knives are used foremost at times and are in the plan at times. It could be that a skinny unassuming dude sporting a go-tee and tank top with blue jeans is integral. He wouldn't have his normal rifle and sidearm.
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LOL Dick Marcinko. I used to read his books. The first three or four were awesome, but they went downhill into Cheeseville fast. It cracked me up how he kept up trying to write as though the events in the books were true when he's talking about how all his SEAL team members (and himself) needed to be able to bench press 450 lbs (I'd seen pics of Marcinko at that point, dude wasn't putting up 450 for 12 reps or whatever LOL), and keep in this exceptionally unrealistic shape. Especially given that he'd be in his sixties or whatever at that point. After I realized most of it was fiction, I was able to get through the rest. I dropped off after the book where he goes to North Korea to kill Kim Jong Il. It was clownshoes at that point.

I did enjoy Red Cell though. The part where he mentioned sailing back and forth right in front of the Navy Shipyard docks in a boat flying a Russian flag always cracked me up.
 
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JCB0802 said:
Yeah, I guess you're right. Those guys are really no different from 0311 Lance Corporal Smuckatelli, except that they've gotten a little better at shooting people in the face. And based on the heinous Smith and Wessons, M-Techs, etc., that I see them carrying on a daily basis, I suppose I could see one of them asking for a blade stop on a folder. I just don't want to believe it. haha
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Look, I get it. No, they're probably not the "#1 hard use knife in the world", even I have folders that feel much stronger, but he is who he is and he's done what he claims, so he deserves credit for that. They've had that slogan since I can remember, and it was most likely true at the point of conception. He'd look pretty silly and be held over the fire if he removed that slogan at this point, so damned if he do, damned if he don't.

I only have one Emerson, a CQC-8, so I'm not a die-hard fan, just another guy that likes to play with blades and rotates one of his knives through my pocket. Fact is, the guy has some great designs and honestly cares about his customers, that's worth something to me at least. Is he perfect? Probably not, but neither is anyone else, and like I pointed out earlier, some knife company owners have scraped the slime from the bottom of the barrel but have been forgiven. Emerson has done nothing of the sort, has a functional moral compass, but gets chastised personally because people don't like his knives and I think that's folly.

You're not the first bro, and you certainly won't be the last. Haha
 
straitr said:
Look, I get it. No, they're probably not the "#1 hard use knife in the world", even I have folders that feel much stronger, but he is who he is and he's done what he claims, so he deserves credit for that. They've had that slogan since I can remember, and it was most likely true at the point of conception. He'd look pretty silly and be held over the fire if he removed that slogan at this point, so damned if he do, damned if he don't.

I only have one Emerson, a CQC-8, so I'm not a die-hard fan, just another guy that likes to play with blades and rotates one of his knives through my pocket. Fact is, the guy has some great designs and honestly cares about his customers, that's worth something to me at least. Is he perfect? Probably not, but neither is anyone else, and like I pointed out earlier, some knife company owners have scraped the slime from the bottom of the barrel but have been forgiven. Emerson has done nothing of the sort, has a functional moral compass, but gets chastised personally because people don't like his knives and I think that's folly.

You're not the first bro, and you certainly won't be the last. Haha
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Valid points, good sir.
 
I have several Emerson's . I have a CQC 7,a Combat Karambit, a Super CQC 7, a Super Commander, a CQC 7V, a CQC 15 SFS, and an Emerson LaGriffe. All of them are well constructed, durable, reliable,knives. The fit and finish of the knives are not perfect,(not sloppy either),but they are sharp,they cut well,and will hold up to hard use. They are not made to be safe queens and be pampered. They are made to work every time you need them to and to stand up to above average use and abuse. Emerson also has great customer service and will take care of you if you ever have a problem with one of their knives. I have seen Emerson replace and repair knives for friends that were clearly used in ways that knives were not meant to be used,such as a hammer or a pry bar. They covered these knives under the warranty and never asked one question. In my opinion Emerson's are well worth every penny you pay for them.
 
Well, he still sells everything he can produce. I don't think he cares a bit that some people don't like his knives.
 
If Emerson wants to keep bragging his knives are number one hard use in the World, he should endeavor to improve them to keep up, with the rest of the knife manufacturers. Not just keep the trademarked solgan because it may have been true long ago.
 
Thank you straitr, you made this thread worthwhile. I can't possibly think of a better way to explain Emerson knives and deal with both the hype and the hate.
 
jill jackson said:
Number 1 hard use knife in the WORLD! That means Emerson's should be the toughest folder on earth. Very laughable, with those thin liner locks. They are far from the toughest made.
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Yeah, #1 is quite a claim. I don't have an issue with thin liner locks, but I owned two Emersons that had their locks wear/travel quickly.
 
curtor said:
I have several Emerson's . I have a CQC 7,a Combat Karambit, a Super CQC 7, a Super Commander, a CQC 7V, a CQC 15 SFS, and an Emerson LaGriffe. All of them are well constructed, durable, reliable,knives. The fit and finish of the knives are not perfect,(not sloppy either),but they are sharp,they cut well,and will hold up to hard use. They are not made to be safe queens and be pampered. They are made to work every time you need them to and to stand up to above average use and abuse. Emerson also has great customer service and will take care of you if you ever have a problem with one of their knives. I have seen Emerson replace and repair knives for friends that were clearly used in ways that knives were not meant to be used,such as a hammer or a pry bar. They covered these knives under the warranty and never asked one question. In my opinion Emerson's are well worth every penny you pay for them.
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Your grasp of the English language has improved dramatically in the last two days. Oh wait....your entire post is a copy and paste from another forum. You did not make the original post 2 years ago on the other forum. Arrivederci
 
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