Nov. New York Custom Knife Show

Not me.
3 blocks from work is one thing.
Jersey is another.

Besides, once you cross the Hudson River it's all the wild west.
:p ;) :D
 
Wow I had no idea about the change. Where is it at? It says nothing about this on the site.

Wouldn't that make it the nj custom knife show?
 
We'll have to check that out. Probably easier to get there from NYC than here. :)
It's about time the knife show came to a place that appreciates it !!!
You could get arrested in the City for buying a ticket to the show. :eek:

Ebbtide, this IS the wild west, ya need a sharp knife, a leather hat, and a local guide to keep you safe from the animals -- Ken C. may even be there, uh-oh!
 
Esav Benyamin said:
We'll have to check that out. Probably easier to get there from NYC than here. :)
It's about time the knife show came to a place that appreciates it !!!
You could get arrested in the City for buying a ticket to the show. :eek:

Ebbtide, this IS the wild west, ya need a sharp knife, a leather hat, and a local guide to keep you safe from the animals -- Ken C. may even be there, uh-oh!
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Ed, the show STARTED in The Meadowlands...

Ron LaBella
 
Esav Benyamin said:
We'll have to check that out. Probably easier to get there from NYC than here. :)
It's about time the knife show came to a place that appreciates it !!!
You could get arrested in the City for buying a ticket to the show. :eek:

Ebbtide, this IS the wild west, ya need a sharp knife, a leather hat, and a local guide to keep you safe from the animals -- Ken C. may even be there, uh-oh!
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NYC does not deserve any revenue from a knife show, considering what has been going on recently. I am definitely more likely to go now that it's in NJ.:thumbup:
 
when did this come about.. I have my table already paid for and the last time i talked to Steve it was still at the crowne plaza in times square.. i hadnt heard anything about a change...

Zoe
 
I haven't been able to find anything in writing about a change.
I wonder if the original post is simply a rumor someone is spreading.
 
yeah .. I just spoke to them recently about updating some PR photos for the show and there was NO mention of anything.. and even said "see you in NY" :-)
 
Steve made the annoucment today.

Our contract has been confirmed. We will be moving the New York Custom Knife Show to the Crowne Plaza - Secaucus at 2 Harmon Plaza, Secaucus, NJ. Only four miles from Manhattan. The dates will remain the same, November 19, 20, & 21, 2010.

We have reduced the entry fee to $15 for a Day Pass; $20 for the Collector Pass, which includes entry for all door prizes and admission for all three days; and $30 for the VIP Pass which includes early entry for Show Pre-view.

Our room block rate is $119/night plus tax and reservations can be made by calling 201-348-6900. Our block is under the New York Custom Knife Show.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Carol Adams
NYCKShow.com
 
blahhh.. I didnt get the memo !!!!! I guess i will have to cancel my reservation and rebook somewhere else.. hmmmm. I dont know if i like this..

Zoe
 
I applaud D'Lack for being adaptable enough to make the shift in time.

What I don't understand is anyone questioning this--when the New York City DA is on a rampage. That DA has already declared war on knives. He has shook down Home Depot, Orvis, Paragon, Eastern Mountain Sports, and others for 1.9 million dollars. Does anyone in their right mind believe, if this DA felt the need for and "undercover" investigation of those type of stores, that he would not go for some headline grabbing "raid" on a knife show on his home turf.

Never mind that the knives might be legal everywhere else. It is obvious from claiming Husky box cutters are gravity knives that this DA is not operating from a full deck of sense and logic. Just because a handmade knife is a handmade knife is not an exemption from the law. Just because a knife is expensive is no guarantee of no prosecution from a DA gone wild.

D'Lack has done a service for the makers, dealers, and collectors at the show. I've been around long enough in knives to know that despite the warnings, rules, etc. that there would have been a few dufus knifemakers who think that it does not apply to them. I saw it at the New York Custom knife show years ago when NYC got picky about how knives were transported, and fixed blades were supposed to be solidly wrapped before they were taken from the show. Joe Mangariciana ran the show, was a NYC attorney, and had personally gone to city hall to get the ruling on how to stay within the law.
It was ignored by a lot of makers--he and I talked about it. He was incredulous that his efforts were ignored.

A few years later I was in the lobby of the Roosevelt Hotel, and saw three or four uniformed officers come in and go to the elevators, waiting on a empty one. On their shoulders were Wildlife dept. patches. It didn't take a Rhodes scholar to suspect they might be checking the knife show. So I ran up the stairs and at a dead run made it to the show management table, explaining what I had seen. Joe went down one aisle, Paul Tausig went down one, I went down one, advising the makers to be sure they put up anything questionable--including ivory.

Paul Basch had so many knives out it was impossible to get all the ivory handled knives off the table. By the time we got through the show, Paul was already being cited. And there were some others cited. Paul checked into it and was told it would cost about $350.00 fine.

Later that evening I am talking to Norm Levine, and he says he got cited too.
"Why," I asked him. "Didn't you get the word?"
"Yeah, I heard, but I didn't think they were serious. I don't know what those people want," he said.
"From what Paul says they want about $350.00," I told Norm.

What kind of show would you have in New York City right now with lockbacks, daggers, fighters, all subject to confiscation and potential prosecution?

I also heard that Ace Hardware has ordered their stores to take all their pocketknives off the shelves in New York City.

D'Lack did the right thing.

And this crap is going to continue as long as voters in NYC keep electing people like New York City District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr.
 
TennKnifeman said:
I applaud D'Lack for being adaptable enough to make the shift in time.

What I don't understand is anyone questioning this--when the New York City DA is on a rampage. That DA has already declared war on knives. He has shook down Home Depot, Orvis, Paragon, Eastern Mountain Sports, and others for 1.9 million dollars. Does anyone in their right mind believe, if this DA felt the need for and "undercover" investigation of those type of stores, that he would not go for some headline grabbing "raid" on a knife show on his home turf.

Never mind that the knives might be legal everywhere else. It is obvious from claiming Husky box cutters are gravity knives that this DA is not operating from a full deck of sense and logic. Just because a handmade knife is a handmade knife is not an exemption from the law. Just because a knife is expensive is no guarantee of no prosecution from a DA gone wild.

D'Lack has done a service for the makers, dealers, and collectors at the show. I've been around long enough in knives to know that despite the warnings, rules, etc. that there would have been a few dufus knifemakers who think that it does not apply to them. I saw it at the New York Custom knife show years ago when NYC got picky about how knives were transported, and fixed blades were supposed to be solidly wrapped before they were taken from the show. Joe Mangariciana ran the show, was a NYC attorney, and had personally gone to city hall to get the ruling on how to stay within the law.
It was ignored by a lot of makers--he and I talked about it. He was incredulous that his efforts were ignored.

A few years later I was in the lobby of the Roosevelt Hotel, and saw three or four uniformed officers come in and go to the elevators, waiting on a empty one. On their shoulders were Wildlife dept. patches. It didn't take a Rhodes scholar to suspect they might be checking the knife show. So I ran up the stairs and at a dead run made it to the show management table, explaining what I had seen. Joe went down one aisle, Paul Tausig went down one, I went down one, advising the makers to be sure they put up anything questionable--including ivory.

Paul Basch had so many knives out it was impossible to get all the ivory handled knives off the table. By the time we got through the show, Paul was already being cited. And there were some others cited. Paul checked into it and was told it would cost about $350.00 fine.

Later that evening I am talking to Norm Levine, and he says he got cited too.
"Why," I asked him. "Didn't you get the word?"
"Yeah, I heard, but I didn't think they were serious. I don't know what those people want," he said.
"From what Paul says they want about $350.00," I told Norm.

What kind of show would you have in New York City right now with lockbacks, daggers, fighters, all subject to confiscation and potential prosecution?

I also heard that Ace Hardware has ordered their stores to take all their pocketknives off the shelves in New York City.

D'Lack did the right thing.

And this crap is going to continue as long as voters in NYC keep electing people like New York City District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr.
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wow, i was unaware of the situation.. i will be there no matter where it is and thanks for the update as to what has been going on in NYC...see you all there !!!
 
Tennknifeman makes very good points.

IMHO...
Not much of this legal stuff is new, it is just being enforced.
The definition or interpretation of the term gravity knife is new or revised.
But that is small potatoes compared to actually enforcing the laws that have been on the books for ages.

I think, from that perspective, that moving the show is a good thing.

I do think that it won't be such a good thing for the show itself, but time may prove me wrong.

From my personal experience, it seems like all the big names come to NY for the public relations, to be seen and spend a weekend in the big city. Most of the big names have empty tables after 2pm on Friday. Many don't even man their tables.
I don't know how many would want to spend a weekend in the area and commute to Manhattan to partake of the city's offerings, only to have to commute back when they are done.
Time will tell, eh?

I wish them all luck.
I won't be there, but that's just me & my own reasons :)

BTW Esav, buses are for old ladies :P :D
 
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