Nov. New York Custom Knife Show

Vance is nobility in that his father was a party bigshot.

NJ laws are not draconian and the enforcement is not a political sideshow as in NYC.
 
My point is if you are yelling "rally around the flag boys" then you should be one of those that will be at the show for sure. And I don't care if he is in Israel. It probably doesn't take him any longer to fly from there to NY than it does for me to come from the West Coast.
Don't just tell me how easy it would be for me to take the tunnel back into mid-town. I already know that and I know how much another night in a NYC hotel would cost me. But then you keep telling me nobody in NYC could care less about what I spent there.
 
Go back to my first post. How many knifemakers still intend to set up at the show now that it has been moved? I need to know that before I make my own decision on going or not and very few knifemakers have answered. The NYC custom show used to be world class but I have a feeling it is just going to be a small time regional show from here out.
 
If a person doesn't want to go to this show in NJ, just wait a couple months and go to
the ECCKS. Or maybe it's moving also?

BTW, ECCKS (Feb show) was started in Meadowlands, not this one (Nov show).
 
If a person doesn't want to go to this show in NJ, just wait a couple months and go to
the ECCKS. Or maybe it's moving also?

BTW, ECCKS (Feb show) was started in Meadowlands, not this one (Nov show).

That makes more sense. I was wondering how a NEW YORK show would be started in the Meadowlands.
 
I'll be there... probably with a two day pass. I'd much rather drive to Secaucus than Manhattan.
 
as far as my table, the price is the same and not lower.. unless that has changed and i havent heard yet... but either way i will be there and i will surely shake your hand :-) !!!

Zoe
 
That makes good sense if you live in the NY/NJ area, but for those of us that have to travel long distances at fair expense, a show needs to offer more than 75-100 tables of makers. Like the sights and sounds of mid-town Manhattan once a year. I normally have a long list of things to do outside the knife show. Last year it was the Japanese arms and armor exhibit at the Met art museum. That is the big draw for the NY custom show for out of towners. Otherwise, just go to the Blade show and cover all the same bases.

Are you going to NJ this year Bruce?

I go to ALL shows that I consider local.

There is nothing in what I posted deals with anything other than local collectors supporting the show. Of course if you love going to New York and working in a knife show, then obviously you should support those shows too. Whether I attend this year or not has nothing to do with what I posted.

I have attended numerous New York Custom Knife Shows. The year following 911 I spent six months in negotiation with Joe Mangariciana attempting to buy the New York Custom Knife Show.

The hold up in closing the deal was during the show in 2001, Bill Clinton had held a fund-raiser in the hotel and they closed off the main elevator, forcing all the show attendees to take the freight elevator to the show. Joe was going back and forth with the hotel over that and he couldn't get the following year's contract finalized until the 2001 show was settled. After six months of it we felt it was too close to the show date to take over, so we backed off, with the possibility to picking up our talks after the show that fall. Somewhere along the line Joe and Steve closed their deal, which was for the best. Obviously a lot of New Yorker's in positions of authority think differently about knives than this ole Tennessee knife trader/editor.

In the past year I've been to the Knifemaker's Guild Show in Louisville, Solvang in California, Dalton, GA NKCA show, Blade Show in Atlanta, events at Smoky Mountain Knife Works in Sevierville, the two Parker shows in Sevierville, the Texas Knife Collectors Show in Austin. and...

I will be attending the ABS Mastersmiths show in San Antonio in a few weeks, and this coming weekend I will be back at Sevierville at National Knife Museum for the Buck Collectors Club show. I'll be at the Knifemakers Guild show this year, and have tables at the NKCA Louisville Knife Show. I will be managing the Knives Illustrated Spirit of Steel show the first weekend in November in Knoxville, TN. I understand what it is like to travel distances to go to a show.

I have a conflict with the New York Custom Knife Show this year, so I will not attend.

(And I almost forgot, Jim Parker and I founded the Blade Show, ran it in partnership with him for 4 years, and on my own for nine years).

I do feel that I have paid the dues, and continue to pay the dues, that would qualify me to make a comment about a knife show.

If you want to only go to shows with over 100 makers, other than the Blade Show, you will be spending a lot of time at home. Other than the Blade Show, once you take out the dealers, the suppliers, the publications, etc, what other shows have over 100 makers?

As for me, I want to go to more than one knife show a year.

What did I say in my earlier post that was incorrect?
 
100 tables MOL seems to be the common number even with bigger regional shows. The difference is the mix of exhibitors and the crowd from what I have seen. There is Blade and then there is everything else. I haven't see another really huge show since the Orlando Guild shows of the early 90's.
 
I'll be there with 2 tables. One for our forged knives and a second one for my Winkler Knives II line.

Back when the East Coast Knife Show was in the Meadowlands it was always a good show. Hopefully this move will be a good thing.

Daniel
 
What a pleasure. This hotel is close to all the happenings comparatively and, for the tableholders, it's 1/3 the costs. Win/Win.

I do NOT agree about the show getting smaller each year. It bottomed out a few years ago (in the basement of the Roosevelt?:rolleyes:) and has been growing slowwwwly since.

I've done my best to showcase the knives that come my way, as I always do for my clients (Unabashed solicit: I will be the Show Photographer for the fourth year....) It's all I can do, but it's a sound method to promote the show further.

Kudos to Steve DLack for the move. Change IS hard. This one will be easy. :thumbup:

Bruce: Pulling aside the curtain of fog and cleaning the windows. ;)

Coop
 
Coop, you need to do a recount. Been there the last 16 years and the list of people that no longer attend is impressive. Lets start with Spyderco, Benchmade, TOPS, Cold Steel, Blade Magazine, Knives Illustrated and Al Mar. Park Central sucked but the first couple of shows there were well attended by makers including a number from Europe. The Sheraton after that wasn't too bad. The show didn't start really dropping until a few years later.
 
Hope this doesn't hurt the show too badly, hopefully DA Vance will be imprisoned soon enough for extortion. (in my dreams right? :mad: )

NJ laws are not draconian

To at least 80% of the country, they sure are. Considering he said "weapons laws" and not "knife laws" I don't know anything about NJ knife laws, but much of what you all have to do for firearms makes California seem almost reasonable :D
 
So are you going Shaldag?

If the thousands of dollars spent by those setting up and those attending this show doesn't impress NYC, we have lost the battle. Money and the lifestyle it buys is the only thing that impresses NYC. You are never going to sell anything thing to them on 2nd Amendment rights, they gave those up 100 years ago to a guy named Sullivan. Saying you have a right to keep and bear arms is equally telling them they were correct, Husky box cutters are weapons!

If I still lived in the US, I sure would. As it is, there is a good chance tjat I will have to be in the US in Nov, and if so, I will try to make sure that I get to the show. i kinda like knives, and shows are a pretty good place to have me a look-see.
 
My point is if you are yelling "rally around the flag boys" then you should be one of those that will be at the show for sure. And I don't care if he is in Israel. It probably doesn't take him any longer to fly from there to NY than it does for me to come from the West Coast. .

The nonstop flight from Israel runs about 11 hours and change, and coach seats that time of year go for about $800.

Obviously, I can't attend many shows, and I have to fix my schedule around what work and family allows me to.

I don't see much reason to reward NYC for what can only be regarded as extortion. While my money may be small potatoes to the politicians, it is probably not for the hotel, epecially in November. And it is definitely NOT small potatoes to me. So eff 'em.
 
Shaldag, That is pretty close to the time and cost for me to go to the show from the West Coast too.

Bob Dozier has told me he is going which is always a good sign for a show.
 
Guys - bring your fishing rods. A 20 min drive from the show gets you into RED HOT Nov Stripers. Moo moo cows everywhere!
 
Guys - bring your fishing rods. A 20 min drive from the show gets you into RED HOT Nov Stripers. Moo moo cows everywhere!
Never thought of a striper falling into the moo moo cow category especially sine you guys actually have cow sized tuna up there this time of year.;)
 
HI Sidehill,

Having set up at both NY shows for the last 12 years. Roosevelt sucked. Park Central...had a couple of good shows there.

Coop, you need to do a recount. Been there the last 16 years and the list of people that no longer attend is impressive. Lets start with Spyderco, Benchmade, TOPS, Cold Steel, Blade Magazine, Knives Illustrated and Al Mar.

I believe you will notice a common theme in your quote...factory knives. They are not "people"..employees yes. It seemed like you were trying to make it sound like they were "makers" and not Factories. The NY Custom Knife Show and the East Coast Custom Knife Show (notice the common word...Custom...should not have Factory knives...oh Steve D'Lack also kicked out Chris Reeve for being an Asshole a few years back. You forgot to mention him.

If you want the factory stuff, it is all over the Internet...and you don't have to travel!

I will be set up at the NJ show. Already have my hotel reservation. The hotel is over $200 a night cheaper...and it is still the Crowne Plaza. The money I save will cover the cost of my table.

As Coop said...win/win.

I've been to NY so many times....I never need to go back.

I thought the NY Custom Show had a very good line up last year. I suspect now with the removal of legal repercussions. That those who thought they might not go, will probably change their minds.

As well I agree with Bruce. There are a lot really good local shows that I attend. Local being 8 hours or so. I'll be going to the Guild Show and of course the Spirit of Steel Show (that is only a 4 hour drive) already have paid for my table and have a hotel reservation. :D

Because there are so many shows and the impact the Internet has had on shows...it is difficult to put together a 100+ table show.

There are behind the scenes impacts as well. Size of the room, insurance costs, the size of the block of rooms the promoter must fill, etc.

The other aspect is the point of diminishing returns. Eventually you have too many tables. Many makers without a name will get lost in the room. Blade is a perfect example of that.

The show has to be profitable for all involved or the show will fold.

Sidehill I don't know if you have ever tried to promote a knife show. You should try it sometime. Your first question will be "when to have the show". Pull out a knife show calendar and take a look at what is already out there.
 
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