Now theres the Matrix???? Sickening!!!

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How can another company release the same design without remorse? You guys are right this is a blatent ripoff.
 
gangsta965084 said:
if they pay a tribute( i think thats what its called) then it should be fine.
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Do you mean a royalty? And no, it's not fine (either legally or morally) to blatantly copy the entire design of another individual/company without their permission if you simply pay a royalty after the fact.

gangsta965084 said:
i did not know that, kershaw and KAI should have done something a long time ago then, since microtech had a prototype out a few months ago...
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Legal proceedings, especially ones dealing with intellectual property as this one does, take significant time and money to pursue; the few months between when the MT proto was unveiled and the release of the Matrix is nowhere near enough time for time for any legal action KAI may be taking to have run its course.


EDIT: Just saw the post you made (quoted below) while I was typing my reply. Glad we're on the same page now. :)

gangsta965084 said:
How can another company release the same design without remorse? You guys are right this is a blatent ripoff.
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I for one think this IS a fake, a fake ZT 0777, whoever made it and should only be classed as such.
 
gangsta965084 said:
i have changed my opinions on this matter.
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Yep, I saw your post right after I had posted my reply and edited it accordingly. I've left my response about royalties and legal proceedings since they may be useful to other folks who have similar questions.
 
Copying one feature can be adequately addressed by royalties.
Ripping off the entire design is just wrong. It isn't just similar in some respects, it's a complete rip-off of the entire design.:thumbdn:
 
stabman said:
Copying one feature can be adequately addressed by royalties.
Ripping off the entire design is just wrong. It isn't just similar in some respects, it's a complete rip-off of the entire design.:thumbdn:
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the microtech matrix is disgusting, watch the video on it. The lockbar makes a scratching noise, horrible quality...
 
Ok, when SOG came out with the SOGzilla, I was very unhappy with their blatant copy of the Spyderco Endura. They changed it just enough to be different, but anyone with functioning eyeballs can see it was a copy. SOG dropped a big notch in my book, BUT the matrix from Microtech is just on another level. It shows more than just a copied knife, it shows a company/head of a company, that could care less about other people and only wants to flex his so called knife making muscles in response to a complete misunderstanding about an OTF ZT prototype. Why isn't he copying Benchmades because of the HK OTF. I will never own a Microtech product, if I had any I would sell them and by a ZT just because. He who will not be named, Head of Microtech, is acting like a school yard bully, and just needs a good old fashioned punch in the mouth. Since we live in a would were that is now frowned upon, a simple boycott of his products and purchasing from sites that sell his products will have to do. If we all actually did this, Big T, would become little t in a short amount of time. Will those of you with Microtech knives stand behind those of us with moral ethics and sell your knives? Or will you continue to give money to a punk?
 
I sincerely hope legal action IS being taken on the matter. In the meantime, I would suggest trying to get a thread stickied on this entire forum. If Microtech can't be touched legally(as of yet, because our legal system is so retarded), I wonder if the loss of a few thousand customers would hurt them any? Hell, someone should make pamphlets and start handing them out at Blade or SHOT Show. If the law won't touch them, I'm going after their wallets.
 
Noctis3880 said:
I sincerely hope legal action IS being taken on the matter. In the meantime, I would suggest trying to get a thread stickied on this entire forum. If Microtech can't be touched legally(as of yet, because our legal system is so retarded), I wonder if the loss of a few thousand customers would hurt them any? Hell, someone should make pamphlets and start handing them out at Blade or SHOT Show. If the law won't touch them, I'm going after their wallets.
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As consumers, going after their wallets is a good idea. Avoiding the company blatantly ripping off another is easy enough. The really "money" is letting dealers/retailers know you won't be spending any money with them if they support a company with such an ethical shortfall.
 
I would think that the best way to inform people about this is to get more posts out there specifically about the Matrix, so when people search for them on the internet they start finding issues that they otherwise would know nothing about. So I would say that if all the forums have a discussion about this ripoff, and some people put up good relevant videos on youtube about it, that might be the best thing.
 
Morrow said:
As consumers, going after their wallets is a good idea. Avoiding the company blatantly ripping off another is easy enough. The really "money" is letting dealers/retailers know you won't be spending any money with them if they support a company with such an ethical shortfall.
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This is exactly why I am taking my stand. Justice does not come in the form of a single payment, legal or otherwise. It comes from the masses taking action. If distributors got enough emails from formerly loyal customers stating that they will no longer support businesses who deal with MT products, then it would be possible that MT would actually lose distributors -that is justice. Anything less and they will get by just fine and nothing will ever change.
 
Hmm... I was just browsing another knife forum and noticed 3 Matrix's were posted for sale by an individual and sold pretty quickly. Guess some people just don't care. The saddest thing is I bet.... no I know for a fact the Kershaw 0777 is of higher quality and the better knife. Hell, for one it doesn't have those horrible ugly proprietary screws Microtech uses.
 
snowreaper1 said:
Hmm... I was just browsing another knife forum and noticed 3 Matrix's were posted for sale by an individual and sold pretty quickly. Guess some people just don't care. The saddest thing is I bet.... no I know for a fact the Kershaw 0777 is of higher quality and the better knife. Hell, for one it doesn't have those horrible ugly proprietary screws Microtech uses.
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Yeah, that is the post I saw too. I was kind of amazed that seemingly informed people would pay that much for a knife with inferior materials and build for exactly the same price. $600 is no slouch.
 
Here's another dealer who says he just got his stock in and will be listing them soon. If Thomas or Jimmer5 wants the link removed then I will gladly do so. The only reason I am putting a link in this post is in the hopes that some will contact this dealer and tell him how they feel.

http://www.thehollowgrind.com/
 
The Government said:
This is exactly why I am taking my stand. Justice does not come in the form of a single payment, legal or otherwise. It comes from the masses taking action. If distributors got enough emails from formerly loyal customers stating that they will no longer support businesses who deal with MT products, then it would be possible that MT would actually lose distributors -that is justice. Anything less and they will get by just fine and nothing will ever change.
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An interesting theory, but I doubt the distributors would completely remove MT products from their sites unless they were compensated for it. A few thousand dollars of MT products sitting around collecting dust is a pretty big cost to swallow.

Maybe some dealers could halt further purchases of MT products and eventually phase them out, but I suspect it would take months before a dealer who has agreed to do that would finally stop listing MT products.
 
Noctis3880 said:
An interesting theory, but I doubt the distributors would completely remove MT products from their sites unless they were compensated for it. A few thousand dollars of MT products sitting around collecting dust is a pretty big cost to swallow.

Maybe some dealers could halt further purchases of MT products and eventually phase them out, but I suspect it would take months before a dealer who has agreed to do that would finally stop listing MT products.
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Probably one of the more thoughtful and insightful posts on this topic. As I said in an earlier post, there is no telling how many people Microtech are going to wind up just outright screwing (hard!) over this. I don't know a single vendor that goes to the internet and searches every single knife style they buy to see if it is a an outright copy of another knife. No telling who, how many, and how many dollars will be lost by reputable vendors left holding the bag on that copy knife.

I am glad my favorite knife guys don't carry Microtech. I don't want to see any honest businessmen hurt, but especially those hard working guys I buy from.

Once again, Microtech..... SHAME ON YOU!

Robert
 
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