Now we're talking...

Ive loved every issue Ive gotten. You are 100% correct.

Plus, man there is alot of good contributers.

Rubens survival shelter article last issue was great!

Tactical leverguns was one of my favorites.
 
R.A.T. said:
Point taken. I'm not a gun nut though. So, any time someone thinks out of the box on a light weight tool, I want to see what it's about.
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I won't fault you for that and I know that if someone wanted to send me a free gun to try out, I'd do it even if I didn't have any use for.
 
I just took another look at the rifle and I have to agree with all of the comments about the trigger. I didn't even notice it the first time.

As far as I am concerned, that is an obvious flaw in the design and shows that it isn't thought out too well. It has a huge trigger with no guard. That's just asking to break an essential piece of equipment and be left with 16oz of dead weight.
 
It's not a free gun. It's a loaner and by the time you go through all the ATF paperwork to transfer it just on loan, it's hardly worth it. Thats the main reason you don't see me doing a lot of gun articles. This one has my interest though. I'm thinking that even though some folks may feel it's cheap made or not well-designed, I'm betting this is a quality piece.
 
RancidSumo said:
I just took another look at the rifle and I have to agree with all of the comments about the trigger. I didn't even notice it the first time.

As far as I am concerned, that is an obvious flaw in the design and shows that it isn't thought out too well. It has a huge trigger with no guard. That's just asking to break an essential piece of equipment and be left with 16oz of dead weight.
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Again, I just won't make that call until i actually have it in my hands. I have no idea how the unit packs up. I do know it is single shot and there are some other things that make this stand out as not being everything that we traditionally think of in a gun. I just won't judge a book by its cover or a few pics on the internet.
 
One thing I have found is the small machine shops have more talent and outside the box thinking than any of the big guys. Having owned a machine shop in the past, when another shop comes out with a product like this I have to take notice. I vaguely remember all the naysayers when NAA came out with their first mini-revolver. It is now a standard in hide-out guns.
 
I wonder what the reasoning is behind the large trigger (and no guard). First thing that came to mind was firing the rifle with gloves/mittens on.
 
DH1 said:
I wonder what the reasoning is behind the large trigger (and no guard). First thing that came to mind was firing the rifle with gloves/mittens on.
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Thank you....and that is the point to my posts. Maybe there is a reason and before we jump the gun and think someone is stupid for making such a design it might be best to understand the whole thing.... ;)

The again, maybe they are just plain stupid. Don't know, but I won't judge that until i see it for myself.
 
j williams said:
HW, backwoodsman is a great magazine too. Lots of survival articles.
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Thanks I'll be sure to look into it :thumbup:


One thing the survival rifle has going for it is materials. Also maybe the trigger requires a strong trigger squeeze to fire and the manufacturers may have felt that a branch snagging it or a drop wouldn't cause the rifle to have an accidental misfire.
 
R.A.T. said:
It's not a free gun. It's a loaner and by the time you go through all the ATF paperwork to transfer it just on loan, it's hardly worth it. Thats the main reason you don't see me doing a lot of gun articles. This one has my interest though. I'm thinking that even though some folks may feel it's cheap made or not well-designed, I'm betting this is a quality piece.
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Either way, you get to try out new gear without buying it. I am curious though, what ATF paperwork can there possibly be? I would think they could just show up, hand you the gun, and let you do your thing. There is no ATF paperwork for a FTF sale/transfer and even as a dealer, there should be nothing more than a 4473. I'm not saying there isn't any, I just want to know what it is.

R.A.T. said:
Again, I just won't make that call until i actually have it in my hands. I have no idea how the unit packs up. I do know it is single shot and there are some other things that make this stand out as not being everything that we traditionally think of in a gun. I just won't judge a book by its cover or a few pics on the internet.
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Go for it. I could be completely wrong but based on my knowledge of firearms, I am making an initial call. If your testing shows otherwise, I'll gladly do one of these:foot:. As to the single shot, I would actually encourage that in a survival rifle. Single shots usually have some of the strongest actions, are more accurate (generally) than a semi, have fewer parts to break, and help discourage ammo burning. All good things when you don't have access to spare parts or an ammo store.
 
I have to have my local dealer send their FFL (originally signed copy) to the manufacturer of this rifle. Once they get that then they can ship the rifle to my dealer. He has to enter it on his log book when received. I have to fill out a 4473 and he takes it out of of his log book. After I'm done I have to ship it back. Not a big hassle but it's not like you can just say "ship it to me" like a knife.
 
Ok, thanks. I was just wondering if the ATF goons had made some stupid rules about lending to people for reviews. I wouldn't put it past them.
 
The problem is once it leaves the firearms manufacturers possession it has to be on someone's log book and a chain of custody established from my understanding. If it was an individual that lived down the street he could loan it to me all day long and that would be legal.
 
I can get impressions ... but i like the idea.... its inspired me to change a few things in what im looking for in survival rifles... frankly you really have no idea how well these things do there job till you try a lot of em. and i agree a lot of small machine shops do inovate quickly.

i have one more reason for you do to it jeff... the fact that your feed back can directly improve the next generation of a rather bleak niche market ... i have been trying to get my hands on a good survival rifle for a while .... and its very hard tof ind something that doesnt compromise... its to the point im about to fire up my own little machine shop and start working on the problem.

with out giving things a shot , we cant really move forward... look at most of the innovations in the past century and you will see the value of people refining and tinkering and working on problems...
 
If you were to put a trigger guard on it, I would at least view it as an acceptable design. That is really the only thing that I don't like about it; other than that I just don't really see it filling any void in the market for me. That doesn't mean that others won't have a use for it and it certainly does not mean that it shouldn't be made and refined.
 
somberbear said:
I can get impressions ... but i like the idea.... its inspired me to change a few things in what im looking for in survival rifles... frankly you really have no idea how well these things do there job till you try a lot of em. and i agree a lot of small machine shops do inovate quickly.

i have one more reason for you do to it jeff... the fact that your feed back can directly improve the next generation of a rather bleak niche market ... i have been trying to get my hands on a good survival rifle for a while .... and its very hard tof ind something that doesnt compromise... its to the point im about to fire up my own little machine shop and start working on the problem.

with out giving things a shot , we cant really move forward... look at most of the innovations in the past century and you will see the value of people refining and tinkering and working on problems...
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:thumbup::thumbup:
 
rocketbomb said:
I'm not terribly familiar with the bolt-action options out there, but I do know there are many very nice guns that would be even lighter and just as accurate, and probably even more reliable.
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If you know of any rifles out there that are under 16 ounces I want to know. 16 ounces is light for a handgun. The single six mentioned is about double. The draw to this gun is to have a rifle that is light. A lightweight Paclite barrel for the 10/22 is 15 ounces on it's own. If this thing can shoot it would be a good one.
 
Shotgun said:
If you know of any rifles out there that are under 16 ounces I want to know. 16 ounces is light for a handgun. The single six mentioned is about double. The draw to this gun is to have a rifle that is light. A lightweight Paclite barrel for the 10/22 is 15 ounces on it's own. If this thing can shoot it would be a good one.
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I believe that he was speaking of being lighter and more accurate than a 10/22.
 
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