Nutnfancy Reviewed the Sebenza. Hmm...

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Maybe it's all due to the amount of money he is making from his online promotions, that however is relative but perhaps to him it's a lot . One mans fortune is not enough to get another out of bed. I mean even jdavis882, whom is about the only person on here that I subscribe to or pay any attention to at this time probably makes a tiny amount a year, nothing per hour in my opinion but I find his videos much better than the one from nutnfancy I saw here. The irony is he is saying he doesn't like group mentality, but that is the single thing propelling him. It's a bad joke.

Summed up what I was trying to say. Very good point. I was going to mention jdavis882 or my favorite virtuovice. virtuo seems humble, simple and real. None of these big fancy productions showing off. (Ironic=fancy) He shows his family, cooking and whatever his love is for the day or week pertaining to edc/hunting. Even minor trauma care!
 
i think an item is worth what ever you are willing to pay for it, as for the ribbing and Nutnfancys use of the "Tactical" Sebenza the original was viewed as such a knife by Fighting knives magazine in the fall of 1990 put the spot light on the knife and A front cover article in Tactical Knives magazine in July 1996 helped to further the success of the Sebenza, over all i think its a cool blade from a company that stands behind it, for me it holds a "one day" feel to it as one day down the road i will have one, or two but for now my money has other callings
 
My apologies I just have a strong dislike for the man.

So you compare him to a person who is born with a condition that has mental retardation, social issues, and a shortened life span among other issues? They did not choose to have that syndrome (although most are generally very happy people) and you are comparing him to that? You could have just stopped at "my apologies" The rest is just a lame accuse.
 
I disagree. You're forgetting that Ferrari is a MUCH smaller company that either Chevrolet or Nissan. Smaller company = less manufacturing capability (less cars produced) = higher overhead cost (especially for things like R&D) = higher price to the end user. Not to mention, almost every single part of a Ferrari is made in house, on machinery that they make, to produce VERY few parts for limited runs of cars. It's hard to even comprehend the amount of capital that goes into something "simple" like an exhaust manifold. Compare that to Chev or Nissan who have factories (which are bigger than Ferrari's whole operation) solely dedicated to making only a certain few components.

I imagine you'd be shocked at how cheaply a ferrari 458 Italia could be produced given the resources of either Nissan or Chevrolet. Bottom line, anything which is in a specialty niche like CRK or Ferrari is going to cost more than their massed produced counter parts.


Was not quite what particular part you disagreed with, you sort of re-enforced some of my points I think?! I think you make great points in distinguishing Ferrari between bigger car companies. I work at a company that supplies auto parts so I understand the huge operations required to make one particular part. But, CR is not the Ferrari of knife making. His operation is not much different than other knife companies. It may be on a smaller scale compared to say Spyderco, but compare CR knives to Bradley, and there is not truly $200/knife difference between an Alias and a Sebenza. I do not care what almost indistinguishable differences in tolerances there are, you cannot say CR truly puts $200 more per knife in each Sebenza vs. an Alias. Anyone tying to make that argument is not thinking critically. I am sure he has similar mills and tooling as any other manufacture machining Ti. They heat treat just like any other production knife company. I doubt (anyone correct me if I am wrong of course) he is manufacturing mills and his own special tooling in house, or his own heat treat eqp. There are not really big discrepancies in machinist. If you higher one you will pay a decent salary, assuming US made. A Quality Tech cost about the same across the board. Like I hit on CR is not on the leading edge of knife technology. Quite the opposite, he created a technology 25 years ago, and has basically not changed it since then. You could not get a wider gap between Ferrari and CR on this point. Ferrari is always on the leading edge. His initial startup cost has been spread out over so many knives he has produced there cannot be more than a few dollars of initial R&D in each knife. Of course he has to pay for the change in tooling and minor tweaks, but so does everyone else. The Ti lock knife was an exception, but how many companies develop all kinds of different lock styles, and if that was going to be an arguing point than why is it only app. $15 more? I say if you want one go for it, if you have the money go for it, but be real about what is going on.
Sorry for the jumping around, but CR in the knife industry is just not comparable to Ferrari in the auto industry. Too many differences in the businesses. I will say you are paying for the name when considering both. I think you pay proportionally more for the CR name than you do for the Ferrari name. Ferrari has more real reasons why it costs so much, CR has one argument tighter tolerances, sorry not that much more. Plus, I would guess that if a guy who can afford a $250,000 Ferrari wanted a special knife, he would not spend less than $2000 on a knife.
 
I feel like watching 30 seconds of that video shortened my lifespan.


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He's for PC knife newbs. I think most that know alot about knives know that. I just hate it that he may be giving bad info to the one's that need it the most.
 
Was not quite what particular part you disagreed with, you sort of re-enforced some of my points I think?! I think you make great points in distinguishing Ferrari between bigger car companies. I work at a company that supplies auto parts so I understand the huge operations required to make one particular part. But, CR is not the Ferrari of knife making. His operation is not much different than other knife companies. It may be on a smaller scale compared to say Spyderco, but compare CR knives to Bradley, and there is not truly $200/knife difference between an Alias and a Sebenza. I do not care what almost indistinguishable differences in tolerances there are, you cannot say CR truly puts $200 more per knife in each Sebenza vs. an Alias. Anyone tying to make that argument is not thinking critically. I am sure he has similar mills and tooling as any other manufacture machining Ti. They heat treat just like any other production knife company. I doubt (anyone correct me if I am wrong of course) he is manufacturing mills and his own special tooling in house, or his own heat treat eqp. There are not really big discrepancies in machinist. If you higher one you will pay a decent salary, assuming US made. A Quality Tech cost about the same across the board. Like I hit on CR is not on the leading edge of knife technology. Quite the opposite, he created a technology 25 years ago, and has basically not changed it since then. You could not get a wider gap between Ferrari and CR on this point. Ferrari is always on the leading edge. His initial startup cost has been spread out over so many knives he has produced there cannot be more than a few dollars of initial R&D in each knife. Of course he has to pay for the change in tooling and minor tweaks, but so does everyone else. The Ti lock knife was an exception, but how many companies develop all kinds of different lock styles, and if that was going to be an arguing point than why is it only app. $15 more? I say if you want one go for it, if you have the money go for it, but be real about what is going on.
Sorry for the jumping around, but CR in the knife industry is just not comparable to Ferrari in the auto industry. Too many differences in the businesses. I will say you are paying for the name when considering both. I think you pay proportionally more for the CR name than you do for the Ferrari name. Ferrari has more real reasons why it costs so much, CR has one argument tighter tolerances, sorry not that much more. Plus, I would guess that if a guy who can afford a $250,000 Ferrari wanted a special knife, he would not spend less than $2000 on a knife.
I'm pretty sure that Bradley gets their knives made by Benchmade which are probably set up to be able to make more knives. CR seems to have a relativity limited production capacity they then have to make more profit per knife than larger producers just so they can make a living.

I think the price of a CRK could be more expensive than it is considering that they have a 3 month back-order.
 
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I'm pretty sure that Bradley gets their knives made by Benchmade which are probably set up to be able to make more knives. CR seems to have a relativity limited production capacity they then have to make more profit per knife than larger producers just so they can make a living.

I think the price of a CRK could be more expensive than it is considering that they have a 3 month back-order.

Kershaw currently makes knives for Bradley now. It used to be Benchmade like you said. Bradley just sources out all its production to Kershaw so what a terrible comparison to CRK. CRK is a small company and extremely limited in production just like other mid tech companies like Strider.
 
I'm pretty sure that Bradley gets their knives made by Benchmade which are probably set up to be able to make more knives. CR seems to have a relativity limited production capacity they then have to make more profit per knife than larger producers just so they can make a living.

I think the price of a CRK could be more expensive than it is considering that they have a 3 month back-order.

3 month back-order? Where did you hear that? Almost every online knife store has them in stock. I visited GP knives in St. Louis and they had at least a dozen in stock. I would also bet a lot of money that CR makes more knives than Bradley does year-to-year, and you could readily get a Sebenza easier than an Alias. Just because Benchmade makes Bradley does not mean much. They are designed in the US, and built in the US using CNC machine equipment. Bradley sets the standards, which are very high. Again, no way anyone can argue the $200 difference. I would guess CR could sell Sebenzas for an even higher price as well. He as such a strong reputation and following he could do it.
 
what an ass clown. 50 minute review..... REALLY?!? reminds me of why i dont watch his reviews
 
The Sebenza review is more a reflection of the Nutn brand than the knife. Hell, all his reviews are like that. He skews (and spews) "budget" every time he opens his mouth, and the only thing I've ever seen of his that has any merit at all is his take on the Arsenal SGL21. Those are rad.
 
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3 month back-order? Where did you hear that?
I'm new to CRK's and just placed an order with my Dealer for a Large Computer Generated Graphic Sebenza. I was advised that it will take 3 months to build, I'm guessing that may be because it's a Damascus blade.

Whether or not the tool (any tool) is justifiably worth the extra money (regardless of how much extra money) can only be accurately measured or determined by the purchaser; everyone else's opinion is irrelevant (mine included:)).

A 1/2" open end Snap-On wrench is easily 3+ times more expensive than a Craftsman. The basic design of the Snap-On wrench hasn't changed in years, which indicates no additional R&D expenses went into that product, etc...do the tighter tolerances, simple smooth design and beauty of the Snap-On wrench, justify costing 3 time that of the Craftsman wrench? Not to most who just want a quality performance tool, but you can bet it does to those who buy it.

Perhaps no need to re-engineer a perfect or near perfect product, especially if you're already producing the product that folks want. It's important to be mindful of the fact that most small businesses struggle to survive; and their product may not always be in demand (hint - firearms). So, when they are in demand, it's in the manufacturer's best interest to capitalize on its popularity; as the tide could change tomorrow, signaling that's it time to struggle again.
 
To sum it up. A year ago when I got into collecting....My first two knives a year ago were a Kershaw Blur Tanto and a CRKT Ken Onion Ripple....ripple I saw in a scrimshaw store. Had to have it. All I ever had growing up were SAK's and one other Kershaw lock-back. I remember only being into a knife is when my cousin, years ago was sharpening a Kershaw with a black blade on a stone. Thought it was awesome. I was 10 then, 33 now.

So guess what, I ended up on youtube somehow watching a few knife videos. The first two I saw were of the SOG Flash by nutnfancy and a CRK review called World's Best Pocket Knife http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Oc7lV9tIY

Fast forward a year, I bought some Sog's, Kershaw's and CRKT's. Great starting points...then Benchmade's and Spyderco's. I bought and sent some back. We all know of Benchmade's QC issues. I still love some Benchmade knives...just got sick of the sameness. Migrated to more expensive SPyderco's....the Sage 1, 2 and 3. Couldn't believe the addiction and the cost! Finally...I sold off some, including my Sage 2 & 3 to afford a CRK. I have owned some crappy knives along the way. Yes(SOG) Crap...some are good for starting out. Way too expensive for what you get. Contrasting between people saying that about CRK. Think about all of the $50-$200 knives that we have bought that add up over time with awful QC and tolerances. We could by a few customs and CRK's with that money. Too each their own...

Point is...if I would have just watched the ladder of the two videos. And not thought humans4targets2 was nuts! And thought nutn was speaking for the norm. I would have less buyers remorse currently. I really thought paying over $300 for a knife was insane and a SOG was great. Because of all of you. Because of normal youtube reviewers fanboys and different educated opinions I have changed. Better for it! So yes, nutnfancy kind of kick started it for me. The rest of you finished it for me. Lame? Thanks!
 
I took delivery on a titanium folder that NutnFancy lauds as timeless, 9.5 of 10 likability and employs the RIL. Very high value even at the high price ppoint of $170. What a load of bull!!

It had ti slabs as thick as my fingernails no hardened lock face, a much smaller blade - just a joke to me anyway - after owning and carrying a large Sebenza or an XM (in rotation). The guy doesn't get or do the naysayers in this thread that claim the Sebbie is overpriced.

You most definitely get what you pay for! This POS folder I speak of (name with held) is already on it's way back for a refund. Oh did I mention that the ti slabs came with a bunch of off color spots all over them?

I'll be sticking to my Sebenza - and Nutn can have his high value ti framelock folders. :rolleyes:
 
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