Nutnfancy's take on the Junglas

[dcycleman]

I agree with most of what he says, not all. but I think he is very informative, and not only that, his heart is it. He definitly gives it his all. He must do somethin right, even the haters watch his vids then bitch about em.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

I always love it when these debates come about between large blades, small blades, axes, machetes, etc. I think every edge has a purpose. For me, the most versatile edge is the machete but for other it's something else. Most of the times it boils down to what tool we have been schooled on.

BINGO! I think the only reason why people debate which is "better" is because of personal familiarity and experience with a tool. That includes things like their approach to tasks and their geographic location. In reality there's so much overlap with what most edged tools are capable of that it's really kind of a moot point. If you just use what works instead of worrying so much then you'll find that there are a lot of options available to you.

 

[Dizwolf]

Unless the weight of your backpack matters to you. :thumbup:

I generally will carry at LEAST a 30 pack of beer on any hike under 15 miles.

sooooo yea about that weight issue, axes ain't my problem.

 

[Magus]

Nutnfancy is just another opinion out there. But more often than not I find his opinions less relevant than others.

 

[LittleSpartan]

If I am going to watch a long knife video, there better be boobies, and perverted jokes thrown into it...

 

[DeAdEyE956]

i think kenny powers from eastbound and down should do a esee knife review or any other review for that matter

 

[R.A.T.]

I generally will carry at LEAST a 30 pack of beer on any hike under 15 miles.

sooooo yea about that weight issue, axes ain't my problem.

Now this is my kinda outdoorsman right there. You might have just won a common sense award! Any man that carries beer to the woods is on my team

 

[arjung]

Agreed. We are planning on doing a DVD covering our training (not an instructional DVD) and I don't want any more than 15 minutes on the thing. Much past that and it will bore the hell out of everyone.

I tend to just have it open in the background as I surf other forums. If he says something interesting then I hop back to that tab.

considering the quality of TV today it's more interesting that most of the 'reality' crap they show

 

[moreair]

35,686 views and climbing. I enjoy most of his videos. I started watching his gun videos and he has turned me on to knife collecting and usage.

I would rather watch one of his videos than a 30 minute gun show on the Outdoor Channel that is only filled with sound bites of the ten products they are pumping between commercial breaks.

What is the Junglas intended to be used for? If an axe and a machete are better than a big knife for making camp fire wood, then what is a big survival knife good for? I thought nutnfancy was taking the big blade in the woods because it is more suited for backpacking than an axe.

 

[Gadgetaholic]

ESEE sells an expensive machete. Jeff has called it overpriced himself. You can get the same machete with a plastic handle and a standard "utility" edge for around $12 stateside. We have Rowen put an uber quality handle and convex edge on them jacking up the price. If that's worth it to you or not is a personal decision.

If someone does fork out that much money they will get a really nice machete with a great handle - I love mine!

I might also buy a Condor El Salvador 18" Machete which is listed at 1.89 pounds compared to 17oz for the ESEE Lite Machete. It's only twenty bucks and I can use the Condor sheath I bought for my Lite Machete. There's nothing wrong with having a couple of machetes to choose from.

 

[Dizwolf]

Now this is my kinda outdoorsman right there. You might have just won a common sense award! Any man that carries beer to the woods is on my team

Add this to your course....always make camp near an area close to cool running water....

and make sure that water isn't down a muddy slope...or the trip for the last beer is going to be interesting.

 

[Dizwolf]

If someone does fork out that much money they will get a really nice machete with a great handle - I love mine!

I might also buy a Condor El Salvador 18" Machete which is listed at 1.89 pounds compared to 17oz for the ESEE Lite Machete. It's only twenty bucks and I can use the Condor sheath I bought for my Lite Machete. There's nothing wrong with having a couple of machetes to choose from.

I use the machetes in a lot of hardwoods. I own and use both. the lite bites deeper, but when it sticks, its harder to free by twisting. The thinner blade just bends, whereas the el salvador is a bit firmer. Hands down, the lite is more comfy.

 

[Mike Slayer]

If someone does fork out that much money they will get a really nice machete with a great handle - I love mine!

I might also buy a Condor El Salvador 18" Machete which is listed at 1.89 pounds compared to 17oz for the ESEE Lite Machete. It's only twenty bucks and I can use the Condor sheath I bought for my Lite Machete. There's nothing wrong with having a couple of machetes to choose from.

I have the ESEE lite machete myself. The Condor Eco-lite machete is very similar to the ESEE lite machete. The balance is a little different and the handle on the Condor is smaller. If somebody that doesn't know machetes doesn't want to spend the money for the ESEE Lite machete the Condor Eco-lite is a good second choice. I prefer my ESEE Lite Machete because of the bigger micarta handle. The ESEE lite machete seems to be a real users machete rather than a Tacticool machete.

 

[Gadgetaholic]

I use the machetes in a lot of hardwoods. I own and use both. the lite bites deeper, but when it sticks, its harder to free by twisting. The thinner blade just bends, whereas the el salvador is a bit firmer. Hands down, the lite is more comfy.

Yeah, I figure the Lite is good for a light machete with a comfortable handle and the heavier version would make a good chopper. Normally the El Salvador is $20 (machete) + $17 (sheath) but I already have the sheath which saves almost half the cost. I figure that I'll take one machete or the other so I don't need 2 sheaths.

I'd like to buy a Junglas, but it is easier to find $20 for a Condor Machete than $150 for an ESEEE Junglas. I also have a BK-9 which is similar to the Junglas (with a much cheaper sheath and without micarta scales) so the Junglas is hardly a 'must have'.

 

[Gismo834]

I own a Condor 15 " Bolo Machete ( Which is a machete that suits for wood working) and a Junglas.

For me there are a few differences between these two.

The biggest ist batoning. I often baton big wood pieces. For that the Junglas is much, much better!! Much easyer to work with.

The Condor came sharp from the factory, but i sharpend it up myself a little more. Even after that, the Junglas is sharper.

For clearing brushes, big branches i prefer the Condor. Longer Blade, and the blade geometrie is very good for that.

On a hike the Junglas is much better to carry. Sometimes i use a little pack with molle. I can put the junglas with the nice sheet outside,perfect.
If i would take the Condor i must put it inside my pack withe the handle outside.

 

[greater]

An excellent quality review with lots of good points brought to light. It was an educational experience.

 

[noviomagus]

I always love it when these debates come about between large blades, small blades, axes, machetes, etc. I think every edge has a purpose. For me, the most versatile edge is the machete but for other it's something else. Most of the times it boils down to what tool we have been schooled on.

Every tool has its purpose.And every tool is better at something than the other tool(axe-machete-knife-hammer etc.),and vice versa.Some tools combine stuff,don't excel at anything but are good enough for most things.

First of all, I'm all for preference. If he likes big knives, great. So do it, but not for cutting down trees. My quarrel with him is when he misuses something and then states that it's no good.

Let's be honest, until you get to power equipment, the axe has always been the most used for harvesting wood. I remember reading an article (can't remember if it was Blade or Tactical Knives) showing guys in the Amazon going to harvest wood (not camp, but harvest trees for building and firewood), they carried machetes to clear the brush, but axes to get the trees. In Nepal, home of the khukuri, they use axes to take trees. Remember the Les Stroud show where he was on Sri Lanka? What did the guys there use, in the jungle? Axes. When everyoine from every period of time used axes the most for getting major amounts of wood, you'd think that someone would have discovered, before him, that they suck. I must conclude it's user error, and judging by HIS videos, that's just what it is.

I confess I'm not a big machete fan, but again, let's be honest. If we are talking nothing but efficiency, for the same weight, you get a lot more capability with the machete over the big knife. I don't think you can get anything that has an 18-22" blade that performs that well for that weight. It's simple physics: long length + light weight = speed of impact, thin edge and profile + impact speed = depth of cut.

If it's just a preference thing, carry what you like, but don't say the other ways suck because of preconceived notions and artificial constraints. Which is what he often does.

Keep in mind, I like his reviews. Just disagree with some of his methods and philosophy.

I'm also a believer of axe-use for trees.Not whimpy branches,but TREES.

Wanna know what an axe can do?
Just one word:

Timbersports.

It doesn't take mathematics to figure out why axes are the most effective primitive tools to use to take down trees.
The weight is all at the end of the long handle.
Combined with a long handle=tremendous circulair chopping power.
Not strange that people all over the world choose an axe over other tools to take down trees.

The Junglas is a great blade though,I like it VERY much.
as I have two of them.
Why?
Just because I like it.
As I like many models of ESEE. (no I don't own two knives of every ESEE model,'only' some ;-P)

 

[txjigen8]

In Nutnfancy's video of the junglas and the CS gurkha kukri(sp?), he used the Junglas for about 5 minutes, and the kukri for the remaining 30. I was sorely dissapointed, and felt that the Junglas should've been used more.

 

[hlee]

The only thing more "interesting" than a 41 minute video knife review is a 6 page tread about a 41 minute video knife review. Talk about having some time on your hands...

I skipped to the end from page 1, as I expect [hope] most posters did...

 

[noviomagus]

The only thing more "interesting" than a 41 minute video knife review is a 6 page tread about a 41 minute video knife review. Talk about having some time on your hands...

I skipped to the end from page 1, as I expect [hope] most posters did...

How dare you saying that ,having 1,735 posts on this forum.