Off Topic Off Topic (Possibly Controversial)

Lets consider the root cause for this whole mess- "he put a mattress in a dumpster" ... "Nope I'm throwing that back in his yard" - The fact this story could descend from that in itself is mind blowing and really, the star of this show turns out to be the dumpster.
Thy dumpster runneth over with the bounties of Irony.

You can't make this kind of stuff up - 288 arrests? How does one get arrested 288 times? I might find this the most interesting if not laborious part of all.

 

288 Arrests. And still running lose to contribute to this sort of mayhem, and tragedy? We have an LEO in this thread. How doth this happen? No limit to arrests in most jurisdictions? Think you might be "permanently relocated" - once you hit, say 25, 50, 100, 200 arrests. Just warm up 'ol Sparky once you hit a certain limit. Think most "regular folks" that have been arrested maybe...Zero Times, might be fine with this idea. OK. More Off Topic - Controversy.

 

LEO, 30+ years....I haven't been exposed personally to that saturation of a citizen incurring 288 arrests. At some point he should have been labeled a repeater, and his penalties, his jail time should have increased, to assure that he would have been locked up.

However, an increasing number of jurisdictions in the nation are suffering from some conditions when a defendant comes before a court with (more) charges. The defendant is demanding a 12 person jury trial, and either found a lawyer, or has a public defender. The defendant stalling and working the system as hard as they can, costing taxpayers money, even in the face of obvious, even admitted guilt, usually he gets a plea deal. A reduced sentence. A fine to pay, community service, and somebody who is a constant irritant to society walks out of the courthouse, confident the whole world is wrong.

This behavior then becomes reinforced; it gets worse, he gets bolder, he learns a few tricks. When he commits a more serious crime, he might see jail, but the state penn is full, very full, there haven't been any new prisons in 30 years in some cases. Judges will do anything but send him to prison. If he goes to prison, even for 6 months, he comes out hard, hating, and mean. With an overloaded parole supervision system, he does what he wants. He gets caught drinking, drugging, beating the crap out of some guy in a bar, he gets 2 weeks in jail. The parole officers's supervisor orders him released.

The victim won't testify.
Lather, rinse , repeat...

Until one fine day ...... either swinging a bat at an armed man seems like a good idea, or shooting somebody over a mattress dispute that escalated from...what really?

 

How? Its like how do you eat an elephant?

One bite at a time

 

Jeff G. Thank you for your expertise; your comments, and for serving and protecting us civilians. Be well.

 

288 Arrests....That's a Whole Lot of Bail Money.... At what point does a Judge after reviewing arrest records deny Bail??!!

 

We just had a guy plead "GUILTY" and get 2.5 years incarceration for attacking an unarmed guy with a 2x4, causing him to be hospitalized for a week, and then robbing this victim.

I thought of this case and wished that the victim had been armed and killed this piece of shit, like these two guys did. Find them "NOT GUILTY" and set the tone for the rest of society there.

If people stop being violent assholes then they don't have to worry about being shot.

 

I'm 65, and wondering where this society left the logic train. Yea, I know, it started in the 1960's. And there's not enough jail/prison space for them all to be locked up...blah, blah, blah. Violent criminals need to be removed from the rest of us. How much time will that guy actually do, Demon? $100 bet on 18 months...or less. Perhaps we get lucky and another inmate sends him along.

 

In my experience.... this never happens. Not even if they owe the courts tens of thousands of dollars. He probably also had mental problems. They are living among us everywhere. It sure sounds like he got some type of weapon from off camera. Watch it without sound, (I couldn't turn it on at first). The guy in orange acts like he wants to kill both of them and is capable of it. We also have no idea how many times that guy has threatened to kill them. Everything is in the context of what the media wants you to see and believe. Not to mention, unless you live in that state you have no idea what he is allowed to do. We have guys walking around my town now with semi auto rifles and open carrying just because they can. Other states can't believe that. Finally, threatening two guys with guns is stupid.

 

and he would
be out in 6-12 months in my state.

and JeffG is totally right

 

And on the other hand, we have anti gunners wanting to stop our ability to protect ourselves from the violent loonies.

 

That's the factor most citizens are unaware of...

 

You gotta know...to know. Been burglarized and robbed with a knife held across my throat. Didn't flip out either time. Cool, calm, and focused. That was when I was a lot younger, and pretty naïve. Now? Will not put myself in a similar situation. But if it happens, that guy will most likely be eating some Big ACP. Be well, all...with Kavanagh.

 

Here's some Busse knives...

 

Thanks, Rob. Bringing us back home.

 

In my location, I can open carry a pistol anywhere in the state with certain exceptions (schools, college campus, places that sell hard liquor, signed places, etc).

But in a public space, I can and do openly carry a sidearm. And a knife.....I've OC'd my BGTG, actually was doing a bunch of yardwork this weekend with it on my belt.

I can use said sidearm or knife in the general cases where deadly force is legal to use.....credible threat of serious bodily harm/death of myself or others, etc.

Concealed carry is shall issue, as in if you apply and can own a gun, the state is required to issue you a CCW permit. That gets you into more places.....you can ignore the no gun signs, you can carry into places that sell alcohol but that's not their primary business (like bars...ccw isn't valid there).

Nobody really bats an eye. 99% of people aren't the problem. It's that 1% that is. If the 99% of the good are armed, the 1% of the bad will have a hell of a lot harder time doing as much bad if they risk being shot for it no matter where they try.

Sure, can't use it for property crime....but I'm not going to risk dealing with the cops in that situation over a stupid property crime. That's what I have insurance for.

 

2 fat shirtless guys with guns, idiots, large guy yelling not smart either. Both should have left the situation. Deadly force is only acceptable when no other options are given. Everyone had options.

Either one of them could have called the PD and the other arrested. Waste of life.


Now for a obersvation I have made watching many years of cops.

If you don’t want to get arrested, put on a shirt and have a clean house.

 

With 288 arrests I can certainly imagine a situation where 911 is called and either noone responds or the response is a 'good talking to' then person 'gets in the face' of the people who made the report. Heck with that many arrests the other party might want to franchise a Dunkin Dognuts (just joking).

 

...and now you know (in large part) why I’m leaving LE after 28 years ....

 

Yup. Thanks for your service!