*Official 2018 BF Knive: Poll 1/8: 2 Blades (Jack), 2 Blades or 3 Blades

[Jack Black]

They don't build any knives that way so we won't know exactly until we see a sample. If they make a new center cut liner, that may make the knife more expensive.

I figured some folks might not have a 301 and may not realize these concerns. It seems folks didn't want to hear it. I was just trying to help but I should have known better and kept silent--haha!

No, but surely, they wouldn't build a knife where the tangs of both blades rubbed directly together?

I don't have a 301, so it's interesting to hear what you have to say Jake

 

[supratentorial]

The samples may or may not address my concerns. Some things may need adjusting. With the 2015 knife, the sample was adjusted a couple times. I expect that those who want a jack will be happy with whatever sample Buck gives us. I don't expect strong opinions to change. My original intention was to bring up concerns that were not addressed. I've voiced those concerns and probably won't actively participate any further. We can assume that the manufacturer will make whatever we dream up but there’s no guarantee that we’ll like the result. To redesign a knife, I think it is best that we look at the knife so that we know what we are working with. I thought owning a Buck 301 (and an Opinel and a Swiss army knife and a... ) was a requirement for joining Bladeforums.

 

[jwb01]

No, but surely, they wouldn't build a knife where the tangs of both blades rubbed directly together?

I don't have a 301, so it's interesting to hear what you have to say Jake

You mean like the Case 47 pattern?

 

[Jack Black]

The samples may or may not address my concerns. Some things may need adjusting. With the 2015 knife, the sample was adjusted a couple times. I expect that those who want a jack will be happy with whatever sample Buck gives us. I don't expect strong opinions to change. My original intention was to bring up concerns that were not addressed. I've voiced those concerns and probably won't actively participate any further. We can assume that the manufacturer will make whatever we dream up but there’s no guarantee that we’ll like the result. To redesign a knife, I think it is best that we look at the knife so that we know what we are working with.

Personally, while I like the idea of a Jack, I'm not massively enthusiastic either way. A number of folks have already changed their votes, and I'm sure the same will happen again when the samples are posted. Hope we have enough time left. Good points Jake

I thought owning a Buck 301 (and an Opinel and a Swiss army knife and a... ) was a requirement for joining Bladeforums.

LOL! I've only had about 4 Bucks, and most of them were sent to me by the company. I still have a Titanium 110 somewhere! I would have given my eye-teeth for a 110 as a teenager, but they weren't available here then. I actually voted for the 110, with our carry laws, it probably wouldn't get carried much, but at least it IS a classic

Here's one I treasure, a kind gift from @sitflyer some years back

You mean like the Case 47 pattern?

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Oh Blimey! How is that Josh?

 

[pjsjr]

Keep in mind that all Buck knives come with...

THE BUCK FOREVER WARRANTY
We warranty each and every Buck knife to be free of defects in material and workmanship for the life of the knife, and we will repair or replace with a new Buck knife, at our option, any Buck knife that is defective. Buck Knives does not warrant its products against normal wear, misuse, or product modifications. Buck Knives are not intended to be used as hammers, chisels, pry bars, or screwdrivers.

If your knife was damaged due to misuse, our repair department can analyze the damage and repair it for a reasonable fee. If the knife is unable to be repaired, we will extend a one- time courtesy offer, allowing you the option to purchase a new knife for 50% off of our MSRP price listed on the website, excluding any custom knives or web specials.

I doubt that Buck would build a knife that would cause them troubles in the warranty area. Preston

 

[Jack Black]

Keep in mind that all Buck knives come with...

THE BUCK FOREVER WARRANTY
We warranty each and every Buck knife to be free of defects in material and workmanship for the life of the knife, and we will repair or replace with a new Buck knife, at our option, any Buck knife that is defective. Buck Knives does not warrant its products against normal wear, misuse, or product modifications. Buck Knives are not intended to be used as hammers, chisels, pry bars, or screwdrivers.

If your knife was damaged due to misuse, our repair department can analyze the damage and repair it for a reasonable fee. If the knife is unable to be repaired, we will extend a one- time courtesy offer, allowing you the option to purchase a new knife for 50% off of our MSRP price listed on the website, excluding any custom knives or web specials.

I doubt that Buck would build a knife that would cause them troubles in the warranty area. Preston

Good point Preston

 

[Old Hunter]

Josh, you are on my list now! I've been quite happy with my 1998 Case 6347 for years, now that you have pointed out the obvious how will I sleep at night?? OH
Ps I think the Buck Knife Co. will ensure that our pocketknife is properly constructed, after all it will have their name on it and they are building it for the most discerning knife collectors on the planet!

 

[Jack Black]

Josh, you are on my list now! I've been quite happy with my 1998 Case 6347 for years, now that you have pointed out the obvious how will I sleep at night?? OH
Ps I think the Buck Knife Co. will ensure that our pocketknife is properly constructed, after all it will have their name on it and they are building it for the most discerning knife collectors on the planet!

I'm going to have to go and check the construction of all my Jacks now!

 

[gaj999]

... I still have a Titanium 110 somewhere!

Somewhere? That 560 is one of my favorite knives. I had a BG-42 blade put in mine ... it's fantastic. I carry it a lot, in pocket. That would be an awesome forum knife.

 

[Jack Black]

Somewhere? That 560 is one of my favorite knives. I had a BG-42 blade put in mine ... it's fantastic. I carry it a lot, in pocket. That would be an awesome forum knife.

That's the one! In my sock drawer (I think)! I have the one in black with the cordura belt sheath, but no pocket clip. Buck's UK agent sent it to me when it first came out, because it was black! It's certainly a fine-looking knife

 

[jwb01]

Personally, while I like the idea of a Jack, I'm not massively enthusiastic either way. A number of folks have already changed their votes, and I'm sure the same will happen again when the samples are posted. Hope we have enough time left. Good points Jake



LOL! I've only had about 4 Bucks, and most of them were sent to me by the company. I still have a Titanium 110 somewhere! I would have given my eye-teeth for a 110 as a teenager, but they weren't available here then. I actually voted for the 110, with our carry laws, it probably wouldn't get carried much, but at least it IS a classic

Here's one I treasure, a kind gift from @sitflyer some years back

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Oh Blimey! How is that Josh?

They are one of my favorite patterns from Case at the moment (I have a”few”). Three blades, three springs, no krinking, good w&t/f&f (for Case).
I never even considered the two tangs and no liner between on one end an issue, and so far it hasn’t been.

 

[Jack Black]

They are one of my favorite patterns from Case at the moment (I have a”few”). Three blades, three springs, no krinking, good w&t/f&f (for Case).
I never even considered the two tangs and no liner between on one end an issue, and so far it hasn’t been.

Thanks for the first-hand info Josh, so clearly the tangs aren't rubbing together

 

[Sabercat]

Here's a question.
Hands up anyone on the porch who wears skinny jeans that are sooo tight a 3 blade knife wouldnt fit in the pockets but a 2 blade would. ?
Im definitely opting for better handles if thats the trade off.

Definitely no skinny jeans here. I prefer a two blade over the three blade for the same reasons I sometimes prefer a single blade over a double blade...

If I consider the extra blade to be superfluous, I'd rather save any space and weight I can for the other items I carry in my pockets.

A lot of folks like the third blade and third spring on this knife, and I respect that, and I hope if that's what they truly prefer - they vote for it.

I personally have no use for the spey, and am thankful for the chance to vote for a knife that is thinner and lighter without it, while putting any cost savings towards handle material.

 

[jwb01]

Thanks for the first-hand info Josh, so clearly the tangs aren't rubbing together

They are definitely in contact at some point, but there is no issues created, you can see some rub marks where the tangs touch but no more than on any other tang where it contacts the liner.
I have never had one blade try to open while opening the other. Here is my most carried modern 47 with a shot of the sheepsfoot tang.

 

[Jack Black]

They are definitely in contact at some point, but there is no issues created, you can see some rub marks where the tangs touch but no more than on any other tang where it contacts the liner.
I have never had one blade try to open while opening the other. Here is my most carried modern 47 with a shot of the sheepsfoot tang.
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Thanks for the explanation Josh

 

[afishhunter]

Forgive me, please.
To those who've mentioned "saving weight" and a 2 blade version of the 301 being "more pocketable" ... is less than half an ounce weight savings between the 3 blade vs 2 blade or the knife being roughly 1/16 inch thinner really going to make a difference in how "pocketable" it is?

I can understand wanting to save a little by eliminating the Spey, and putting that savings toward a fancier cover material. That makes some sense. (although I doubt the savings will be all that much)
But to say it will be more pocketable?
That makes no sense.
I compared the thickness of a Buck 373 (same knife as the 303; a 3 blade 3 spring medium stockman) to a Case 22087 (2 blade Jack Knife) that I have.
I thought it would be a fair comparison, since they have the same closed length.
The bolsters are for all practical purposes, the same width. There might be less than 1/64 inch difference between them. This difference could easily be caused by the amount of bolster polishing when the knives were made. (The Case is the wider of the two)
The 373 has wood covers, with swells, so it is thicker overall than the Case, which has flat covers with no swells.
(See? Full disclosure )
The point being, a 3 blade 301, is likely to be as broad as a 2 blade knife with the same closed length from another maker, depending on covers, of course.
(Sorry, I don't have a 2 blade Jack the proper size to compare to a 301.)

 

[gaj999]

Hands up anyone on the porch who wears skinny jeans that are sooo tight a 3 blade knife wouldnt fit in the pockets but a 2 blade would.

I've grown to really, really like single-spring, two-blade knives. I'm fine with the traditional stockman, but lighter, thinner, cheaper, and not available anywhere else? It pushes me that direction. I'm in either way ...

 

[screened porch]

This isn't likely to be single-spring, is it?

 

[WValtakis]

0% chance...1 spring per blade is how Buck builds them.

 

[rswanson]

Forgive me, please.
To those who've mentioned "saving weight" and a 2 blade version of the 301 being "more pocketable" ... is less than half an ounce weight savings between the 3 blade vs 2 blade or the knife being roughly 1/16 inch thinner really going to make a difference in how "pocketable" it is?

I can understand wanting to save a little by eliminating the Spey, and putting that savings toward a fancier cover material. That makes some sense. (although I doubt the savings will be all that much)
But to say it will be more pocketable?
That makes no sense.
I compared the thickness of a Buck 373 (same knife as the 303; a 3 blade 3 spring medium stockman) to a Case 22087 (2 blade Jack Knife) that I have.
I thought it would be a fair comparison, since they have the same closed length.
The bolsters are for all practical purposes, the same width. There might be less than 1/64 inch difference between them. This difference could easily be caused by the amount of bolster polishing when the knives were made. (The Case is the wider of the two)
The 373 has wood covers, with swells, so it is thicker overall than the Case, which has flat covers with no swells.
(See? Full disclosure )
The point being, a 3 blade 301, is likely to be as broad as a 2 blade knife with the same closed length from another maker, depending on covers, of course.
(Sorry, I don't have a 2 blade Jack the proper size to compare to a 301.)

Pretty much this, for me. The thickness and weigh of the two blade vs three blade has to be really on the minimal side.

I do see some validity in putting another few dollars towards a different handle material. But how much are we talking? skblades : if it hasn't already been quoted, what's a ballpark savings of eliminating the spay blade?