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Out-f'ing-standing. That is a great video. Damnit man. Now I need to get one!
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Oh yes....Somebody HAS to try this with a BK2! Who has the b@lls??
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Depends on the steel, thickness, hardness and other conditions. I imagine the most likely scenario would be the knife would rip out of the tree. Like others mentioned the forces aren't static. Climbing rope has to be able to withstand really high amounts of force in case people fall. F=ma, so someone/something falling even a few feet is going to generate a lot more force than an object hanging from a rope. Another example would be fishing line rated for 8 lbs. An 8lb fish pulling in one direction and the fisherman pulling in the other is going to generate more force against the line than 8lbs.
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Funny, Im polish too in my wood shop class im known as the pollack because im good with my wood skills.
That doesnt piss me off as much as some of the fu**** idiots in that class though.
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Funny, Im polish too in my wood shop class im known as the pollack because im good with my wood skills.
hehe, i don't usually mind some polish humor as long as it's a bit more ambitious than just cheap juvenile grade...especially since the man quotes mark twain, one of the greatest humorist and sharpest wits of all time in his sig line [with a line pertaining to being original not part of sheeple no less] then throws a stupid crack that's actually opposite to reality... i should've just let it go though, likely my hangover got me too tightly wound for a moment... btw, YOUR sig line is funny, fellow pollack-man...
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i've just checked out the video clip posted by the dude who was criticised initially for that pretty cool marketing photo re-his edc blades, and i dig it... clever, original and kept very much in a knife/outdoor theme... i think it's cool... don't know why all the serious criticism from some....
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When I was an active climber, I had a chance to climb with some interesting people. I was a "safe" climber, meaning, I done everything I could do to survive my climbs. Once I started doing multi-pitch routes, I started looking into trad gear, as a backup, or for an impromptu tie in case of emergency. Then I learned of soft stone, and leave no trace climbing.
Basically, in other areas in the world, softer rock faces were climbed in the past, and active bolting or trad gear, altered that rock face. Since there is some good rock out there, that is in the "protected" areas, they wanted a softer way to climb "safely", and not damage the natural state of the rock. So, they started using knots, tied in rope and webbing.
Tie a knot, or a series of knots, and wedge them in place, very similar to trad gear. Double, triple, even quadruple up on your tie ins and climb or rappel away.
I've seen it work. Doesn't mean I trusted it. But, I attended several classes and climbed with guys from England that had many years experience with this method of climbing. They trusted their lives to it. I did not. I learned it, as a WTF JUST HAPPENED, countermeasure, a "learn what to do when there was no other choice".
The video is cool, and the test is awesome, but I wouldn't trust my life, unless there was no other choice. I would use a knife as a wedge, or bit, or at the least, try to obtain a method to decrease as much lateral force on the blade as I can. I would also try to get as small an area to attach to, use a biner in a cut out, with the blade in a horizontal postion. Drive the blade in, point first, and attach there. If a hammer was needed to remove the blade, that's enough frictional force to hold static weight, possibly, some minimal dynamic force.
But I wouldn't do this on a regular basis.
Great vid, great knife. If I had the cash, I'd be getting one, not because of this test, but because its a great knife, and a good design.
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Basically, in other areas in the world, softer rock faces were climbed in the past, and active bolting or trad gear, altered that rock face. Since there is some good rock out there, that is in the "protected" areas, they wanted a softer way to climb "safely", and not damage the natural state of the rock. So, they started using knots, tied in rope and webbing.
Tie a knot, or a series of knots, and wedge them in place, very similar to trad gear. Double, triple, even quadruple up on your tie ins and climb or rappel away.
I've seen it work. Doesn't mean I trusted it.
But, I attended several classes and climbed with guys from England that had many years experience with this method of climbing. They trusted their lives to it. I did not. I learned it, as a WTF JUST HAPPENED, countermeasure, a "learn what to do when there was no other choice".The video is cool, and the test is awesome, but I wouldn't trust my life, unless there was no other choice. I would use a knife as a wedge, or bit, or at the least, try to obtain a method to decrease as much lateral force on the blade as I can. I would also try to get as small an area to attach to, use a biner in a cut out, with the blade in a horizontal postion. Drive the blade in, point first, and attach there. If a hammer was needed to remove the blade, that's enough frictional force to hold static weight, possibly, some minimal dynamic force.
But I wouldn't do this on a regular basis.
Great vid, great knife. If I had the cash, I'd be getting one, not because of this test, but because its a great knife, and a good design.
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In a self rescue class I rappelled out of the burn tower on objects as small as a screwdriver and a rolled up magazine. The technique was you tied a clove hitch around the object climbed out the window and as you put weight on the rope you wedged the object in the corner of the window frame. Yes we had a safety rope, but it was a big confidence builder to know what you could do if you had to. Thats why in my original comment I said it look just fine and the white rope was a safety so even if the knife slipped no big deal.
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If I only had a BK2 wait a minute got one coming as long as wifey is not around I will give the BK2 the test I was bringing the Beckers to new heights anyway this will just be another photo op anyone know the breaking point of the BK2? Well at over 220+ I guess we will see, the BK2 shipped today so Thursday or Friday should be good as long as no rain will give the BK2 a go.
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Doing it with a BK-2 wouldn't be much of a comparison. Look the photos above for a size compare. Although once again, I have to state: I discourage anyone from trying this. lol
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No BK16 as of yet only the BK14 Proto not going to try, The Brute to big, BK9 undergoing mod, BK11 better at light duty again weight is over 220lbs, BK2 sounds good and is in the mail so the wait for my POSTAL PERSON WITH THE 2
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I also discourage anyone from trying this without extensive climbing ability and even with climbing ability, point is taken but after all this is the Becker Forum love your knives but a BK2 should hold my Fat ASS just getting started with the Beckers I guess the survive knives might be next. Photo's to follow
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Good stuff, thanks for sharing Survive! Nice to see that 3V getting put to hard use. I've been wondering how much those toughness values hold up to sideloads. Nice looking design too!
There are torture test threads on here featuring the BK2. Suffice it to say breaking any properly heat treated .25" saber ground hunk of 1095 is no easy task.
I also would like to discourage people from maiming live trees. It's completely unnecessary and certainly not in keeping with "leave no trace" outdoorsmanship.
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I should have pointed out in the video that I'm 195 pounds. Cool, if you are amped and ready I'll stand by and wait to see some photos. I was just pointing out that doing it with a BK-2 is like comparing a one pound steak with an eight ounce burger(edc-4). The BK-2 is twice as big. That's all. Seemed a moot point to work backwards into a test using a prybar. lol
I do all of my testing in close proximity to the Appalachian trail and I make it a point to only perform tests on dead and standing dead wood. All wood I collect/chop, I leave for hikers at the trail shelters, so when they arrive tired and hungry they don't have to go look for firewood. Nothing goes to waste around here.
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Little off topic, but I just handled an EDC-4 in elmax at edgeworks, awesome knife, I was surprised at how light it was.
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Just looking to get some good photo's of the Beckers and your test is a good one at 195 I would try the BK16 but like I said 220+ need a little more steel for my Fat ASS not a survival test more like a Good photo op for the Becker Knives and Forum. Love me all types of steel and your knives are standing up to some unique test for sure. I usually eat the burger as a warm up for the steak thats why 220+ should be fun hey Ethan might even send me a T-Shirt
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This is just the curiosity of a non-climber. But there is some debate on the fact that you could retrieve the knife after doing this. Question is, could you climb back up that line once you've rappeled down?
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Sure, no problem. I wouldn't want to simply hand over hand it to prove the point but I could bring an ascender along and climb back up.