OK, I'm not carrying a balisong anymore.

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This thread, in my opinion, is a perfect example of why balisongs suck sh*t. I know if I needed a quick deployment I sure as hell wouldnt want to have to flip around this peice of metal just so I could use it. It perplexes me why people still carry butterfly knives now that automatics have bean invented. To me, balisongs are outdated and obselete in terms of SD. This post gives me just another excuse to buy a severtech.
 
El Rata Serpiente said:
This thread, in my opinion, is a perfect example of why balisongs suck sh*t. I know if I needed a quick deployment I sure as hell wouldnt want to have to flip around this peice of metal just so I could use it. It perplexes me why people still carry butterfly knives now that automatics have bean invented. To me, balisongs are outdated and obselete in terms of SD. This post gives me just another excuse to buy a severtech.
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:footinmou :footinmou

Wow, I can't belive you just said that... that's a really ignorant comment to be making here...I think I'd be editing that post in a hurry before people around her get the wrong impression of you. Unless that is the way you are, but I'm trying to give you the befit of the doubt.

Seriously!

P.S. You do realize the autos are illegal right? :rolleyes:
 
:footinmou I thought both were illegal in the states...I live in Canada...lol I don't even know the knife laws here, I just carry whatever....I can't see the logic in banning switchblades but keeping balisongs legal. I guess I wasn't really thinking about legalities I was more thinking about saving my life. I think knife laws are rediculous in general, they might as well make cars illegal if they think that banning a peice of equipment will save anyones life. I'll still carry whatever, you think that If someone tries to f*ck you up and you cut them, theyre gonna go to the cops? I'll take aswitchblade and staying alive with possible weapons charges over getting curb-stomped any day.
 
I can cut with my Spyderfly before it's even locked into position. Not counting my Ti-Lite (which I don't carry because I wear slacks) It is the fastest folding knife I have.
 
Planterz said:
If I were that worried about self-defence, I'd carry a gun.
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Hey, if you are alive on this planet, you should be worried about self defence (as you have unfortunatly found out :( )

Most people on said planet have no rights or means to protect themselves. All us sheeple up north here are at the mercy of the criminal element with no efective means to excercise our right to self defence (legally anyway ;) ).

You have that power and I say seize it!

Planterz said:
I might be getting a gun soon.
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Do it. Learn it. Love it. Carry it.

Glad to hear your Pride is just a little dented but not broken
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El Rata Serpiente said:
This thread, in my opinion, is a perfect example of why balisongs suck sh*t. I know if I needed a quick deployment I sure as hell wouldnt want to have to flip around this peice of metal just so I could use it. It perplexes me why people still carry butterfly knives now that automatics have bean invented. To me, balisongs are outdated and obselete in terms of SD. This post gives me just another excuse to buy a severtech.
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first of all, balisongs are awesome. their simplicity makes them reliable (no prings mechanisims to break, wear out, or fail) and are incredibly strong. secondly, balisong is a hobby in itself, aside from carrying and collecting. thridly, if you ever looked on one of the many "whats in your pockets" threads youll see that many people carry more than one knife. maybe a balisong isnt always the best choice for defense for everyone. i dont carry mine for self defense, but i sure do use it everyday and it perplexes me that it perplexes you why i do so. it sounds to me like youve never handled a "real" balisong, so maybe you should take a look at one and realize that they infact do not "suck" any amount of "sh*t".
 
El Rata Serpiente said:
This thread, in my opinion, is a perfect example of why balisongs suck sh*t. I know if I needed a quick deployment I sure as hell wouldnt want to have to flip around this peice of metal just so I could use it. It perplexes me why people still carry butterfly knives now that automatics have bean invented. To me, balisongs are outdated and obselete in terms of SD. This post gives me just another excuse to buy a severtech.
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Balisongs may not be the best choice for self defence but they definitely don't "suck sh*t". As for why people still carry balisongs, it may be because they are a great design. They are easy to clean; everything is open. They are safe to carry because the blade is surrounded by the handles and will not open in your pocket, unlike some liner locks. When using it, the only way it can accidentally close is if the stop pin sheers off. No risk of the liner slipping or your hand going over the axis lock. Finally, the "lock" on a balisong is less dependent on a springy factor. On a liner lock, the liner is bent and moves behind the tang. On an axis lock, omega springs. Backlocks, compression locks, framelocks, etc. all rely heavily on a spring factor.

These factors may transfer to self defence as well. K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) Less chance of a spring breaking or the button malfunctioning and stronger lock as well.
 
Why not just drive a car? :confused: Biking at 2 am is just asking for trouble if there are people looking for vulnerable folks out there. I think they did that to you not because of identity, or anything... they saw a dude on a bike and they wanted to rough you up for plain old fun. You think if they were mistaking you for someone else they would leave you with just that kind of damage? Youd be in the hospital with major damage to your skull or even dead. Just thought id give you my opinion on this... be carefull man... thats all I can say.



I bike myself... but on a trail or the road.. but during the DAY.
 
Another thing....I dont remember the person here who it was... but he said a story about he was confronted with some drunk a$$holes who wanted to fight him... one guy pulls out a knife on him and starts waving it around... after telling him to put it away... the guy I am talking about flips 2 balis out at the same time and catches them open in his hands without even looking at them. Just that intimidated the attacker to leave. In my opinion if you look intimidating.. you can get yourself out of alot. A guy flipping 2 balis out at the same time without looking at them as he flips em is WAY WAY WAY more intimidating then some dude flicking his folder open. Balis arent outdated is what I am trying to say.... thats like saying since the 2005 corvette is out... you cant drive the 63' because its old...and outdated.
 
Planterz...you seem to be a great fellow, and I am really sorry this had to happen. It damn terrible...and since im drunk ill tell you that its ****ing bullshit that it happened. wha ti can thing? it's time to get an emerson wave. yall know im an emerson fan, and i just won my third emerson today ( a karambit) and the wae is what would have possibly...i hope...helped.


either way...you are alive all you lost was pride, and this will cost ight. i will say a parayer for you, and for those that jumped you.



sta safe my man


plumber
 
Two words for you Glock 26 :D Ride a bike and it can get scary out there. :mad: Saw video where a person in the back set was tiring to open a car door while the car was moving to clip a person on a bicycle and flew out of the car instead and hit his or her head on a parked car killing them self. These were young kids out for a joy ride? :barf:
 
sorry to hear you had such bad day,...night, in this case, Planterz.
incidents like this have the tendency to leave you totally stunned and confused and take a bite out of ones pride everytime.

i'm actually glad for you that you carried your bali then, which you couldn't deploy fast enough. my guess is you would have had an even worse day if you'd manage to draw your blade on them. the thought alone......

i think you got lucky in an unlucky situation. it sounds crazy, but how this happened is basically what you want incidents like this to happen: short, not too much injury, no legal fuss, no deadly force, just a piece of pride taken...

btw, i can attest to your drawing of a clipped and latched bali, it IS slow compared to, say, a spyderco. but in this case it's very well possible that you should call yourself blessed that you were carrying a slowly deployable folder that night, really. things would most definitely gotten a whole lot uglier if you drew the knife on them.

i think you were the unfortunate victim of random violence, or a 'mistaken-for-someone-else-payback-beating'.

i hope they catch those thugs and mangle them.

glad to hear you're OK. now comes the time to reflect and heal. take care and all the best to you.

dennis

PS. pack a Surefire and a cellphone.
 
Boy, here's a blast from the past...

This happened 6 months ago, guys. Thanks for the support though. :p

The funny thing is, even after that incident, this thread I started, and what I initially thought, I feel better carrying a balisong than an auto. Weird, but it's true.

At the time, my only auto, a Microtech Scarab, was broken, which left the balisong to carry. I currently carry each, about 50/50. The thing is, I have almost no confidence in being able to "whip out" my Scarab if necessary. It's easy enough to get out of the pocket (which is what I wasn't able to do with the balisong when I got jumped), but it requires me to have a very exact grip on the knife to fire it. Even my push-button auto is a bit tricky in haste (a Severtech BTW). With a balisong, so long as it's in my hand, I can open from any grip and position.

I have not purchased a gun. My current situation has me living with the parental units, and I doubt my mom wants a gun in the house. Plus, the fact that I keep spending all my money on more knives makes it hard to jump into the world of firearms. :rolleyes: :p I do have a Surefire L2 that I carry on the cheststrap of my backpack.

The one thing I do differently is I only take the major roads home now, and I ride on the sidewalk against traffic (so I can see who's coming). The irony is that when I do this, I am actually breaking the law by riding on the sidewalk. I've yet to have a cop pull me over for this though, probably because they have better things to do at 3:00 am. If it's a choice between breaking a traffic ordinace or getting attacked again, I'll ride on the sidewalk.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I'm happy that all ended safely. I think it's the best this way. You could have injured (or killed) your attackers, but this would complicate the whole thing (and not necessarily in your benefit). It is sad that you took a few punches, but if I understood well there was no serious injury and you haven't been robbed, which is also a good thing.
OTOH, the main thing was that you were taken by surprise. I dare to say that even if you carried a Scarab, a neck knife or even a gun, the result would have been pretty much the same. I don't know many people (even with serious martial arts training) that can't be taken by surprise.
 
oh drats, this thread is old.....6 months ago. i thought it was recent, but it seems El Rata Serpiente dragged the thread back from the past.... :footinmou
 
Planterz,

Fellow cyclist here (just returned from a 15-miler on my Trek 1400).

I'm very glad you're OK. I imagine that the pond life that attacked you were just looking for a vulnerable victim on whom to demonstrate their "masculinity."

As to self-defence: Even though (blessedly) you live in a land and state where it is not only allowed but even encouraged, I'd go with pepper spray rather than a knife or a gun. Reasons?

1. I like to solve problems from a distance. Brutes like your assailants are experienced in violence and need to get in close to get their kicks (metaphorical and literal). Drop them 6 feet away.
2. Fine motor control and coordination go to hell when adrenalin floods your system. The "shotgun" dispersal of spray beats the .35" to .45" pencil line of a bullet.
3. Killing or maiming someone has lasting psychological effects on the perpetrator, no matter how justified the actions. As to the legal effects: Ouch...
4. Even in Arizona, I'd bet that a knife is still seen as a criminal's weapon by the kind of people who'd form your jury.

I'd suggest getting a pepper spray and attaching velcro to the can. Stick a mating section of velcro to your cycling jersey in the chest area. No matter how you fall, it'll still be to hand. If that doesn't suit, try attaching it to an appropriate part of the bike. Get two cans and try both!

Best wishes,

maximus otter
 
El Rata Serpiente said:
This thread, in my opinion, is a perfect example of why balisongs suck sh*t. I know if I needed a quick deployment I sure as hell wouldnt want to have to flip around this peice of metal just so I could use it. It perplexes me why people still carry butterfly knives now that automatics have bean invented. To me, balisongs are outdated and obselete in terms of SD.
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A bali isn't for everyone. Some of us take the time out to practise rapid deployment and opening, and would rather rely on that skill set and the bali's pure mechanical properties than on the possiblity of a failed critical component like a spring. If it doesn't work for you, fine. That doesn't mean that it doesn't work for everyone.
 
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