OK, I'm not carrying a balisong anymore.

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El Rata Serpiente, I told you so!

If your skilled the bali can be just as fast as anything else. :p

I like maximus otters idea about the pepper spray myself!
 
nosilence said:
first of all, balisongs are awesome. their simplicity makes them reliable (no prings mechanisims to break, wear out, or fail) and are incredibly strong. secondly, balisong is a hobby in itself, aside from carrying and collecting. thridly, if you ever looked on one of the many "whats in your pockets" threads youll see that many people carry more than one knife. maybe a balisong isnt always the best choice for defense for everyone. i dont carry mine for self defense, but i sure do use it everyday and it perplexes me that it perplexes you why i do so. it sounds to me like youve never handled a "real" balisong, so maybe you should take a look at one and realize that they infact do not "suck" any amount of "sh*t".
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I'm talking stricly practical self defense purposes, carry whatever you want for other puposes. I'm talking about saving my life in a time of danger. A knife to me is a tool, not a toy. I bought a butterfly knife once in Spain when I was 12, and I thought it was the coolest. I don't depend on coolness to save me in a life and death situation, though. I'm sure Planterz is probably competent with a balisong, but look what happened to him. Theres no point in taking any chance that you dont have to. Mr.Murphy will f*ck you up enough, you don't need to add to factors that can go wrong. Its called the rule of errors. I don't see any one function that a balisong can do that a different knife can't do better. Look at the title of this thread. Planterz has real life experience to show the flaws of a bali.
 
I agree El Rata, you could be in a situation where the Bad Guy:

- is on top of you
- has you pinned against a wall
- has you confined somehow with some type of object
- has you in some type of a lock
- has hurt you badly or has disoriented you

In these situations it's very likely that you don't have the space, ability or motor skills necessary to swing out a balisong open. Or you may swing the balisong open with the unsafe handle and end up cutting yourself. A one-handed folder would be easier to deploy and is certainly what I would choose for SD. I would rather have something that doesn't require much thought or motor skills to deploy.
 
victus1 said:
I agree El Rata, you could be in a situation where the Bad Guy:

- is on top of you
- has you pinned against a wall
- has you confined somehow with some type of object
- has you in some type of a lock
- has hurt you badly or has disoriented you

In these situations it's very likely that you don't have the space, ability or motor skills necessary to swing out a balisong open. Or you may swing the balisong open with the unsafe handle and end up cutting yourself. A one-handed folder would be easier to deploy and is certainly what I would choose for SD. I would rather have something that doesn't require much thought or motor skills to deploy.
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Thank you. It only makes sense.
 
i think that you should just get started in some form of martial arts. it would be better because you could have fought him off without neccicarly using "deadly force"

ps special forces learn a move where they kick an opponent in the leg, it is the femoral artery, one hit will knock out most people and from the ground it would be eaisy to hit him there

also the saying goes, "it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"
 
victus1 said:
In these situations it's very likely that you don't have the space, ability or motor skills necessary to swing out a balisong open. Or you may swing the balisong open with the unsafe handle and end up cutting yourself. A one-handed folder would be easier to deploy and is certainly what I would choose for SD. I would rather have something that doesn't require much thought or motor skills to deploy.
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Believe it or not, it takes the same amount of space as a one hand opener to deploy a bali. It'll take practice. There is one advantage to the bali over the one hand folders. With one handed folders, you are locked in to a specific opening position and ergo, usually tip up with the thumb leveraging the blade open. With the bali, again with practice, you can open the bali in any position. Doesn't matter if it's with the safe handle or the bite handle. That's my reasoning for sticking with a bali against all the other available choices.

The only folder I have seen that consistently beats the bali in deployment on a regular basis is a Waved Emerson.
victus1 said:
I would rather have something that doesn't require much thought or motor skills to deploy.
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See again my comment about potential mechanical issues that doesn't happen with a pure mechanical bali.

Again, if it doesn't work for you, fine. Obviously I won't convince you othewise. But you won't find me making a bad generalization that simply isn't factual.
 
I agree that martial arts are far superior to a weapon in these types of situations, not only for legal reasons, but because if you lack the mental and physical preparedness, having weapon is more of a threat to you than your attacker. I think that someone with the proper ability who has a bali would probably own someone without the ability but has an auto. I'm not debating whethor or not you have the skills, thats a seperate argument. I just wonder why the hell you would take a chance when there is no need. In terms of SD, an OTF in my opinion would be the best choice. I would never buy a knive that is suited for only one purpose (SD), so I'll get an out the side auto, which would be a bit better for other uses, seeing as SD is probably the last thing I would use it for. The logic behind choosing a Bali is insane, and I'm sure anyone who has actually been in this type of situation would agree. Planterz, whats your opinion on this? ( what a stupid question to ask considering the title of this thread)
 
tonyccw said:
Again, if it doesn't work for you, fine. Obviously I won't convince you othewise. But you won't find me making a bad generalization that simply isn't factual.
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Couldn't agree more with what Tony said...especially this quoted part.

I tried to tell you to quit while you were ahead now everybody knows that your totally ignorant about how great the bali can be...

:footinmou AGAIN!
 
El Rata Serpiente said:
I agree that martial arts are far superior to a weapon in these types of situations, not only for legal reasons, but because if you lack the mental and physical preparedness, having weapon is more of a threat to you than your attacker. I think that someone with the proper ability who has a bali would probably own someone without the ability but has an auto. I'm not debating whethor or not you have the skills, thats a seperate argument. I just wonder why the hell you would take a chance when there is no need. In terms of SD, an OTF in my opinion would be the best choice. I would never buy a knive that is suited for only one purpose (SD), so I'll get an out the side auto, which would be a bit better for other uses, seeing as SD is probably the last thing I would use it for. The logic behind choosing a Bali is insane, and I'm sure anyone who has actually been in this type of situation would agree. Planterz, whats your opinion on this? ( what a stupid question to ask considering the title of this thread)
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Seems to me that you just crossed the void into the great dark gulf of ignorance...

Autos of any sort, especially D/A OTF's, require a good amount of dexterity to open. Much more so that a manual folder. Furthermore, in general OTF's are not practical for heavy work. They can jam quite easily. Balisongs aren't as intuitive or quick for me as other manual folders, but they have other advantages, especially for utility - namely incredible strong locks. Of course, I carry a fixed blade, so it doesn't really matter.

Why do you think a weapon would hurt you? As someone who occasionally gets into fights, the argument is purely legal and moral. Any weapon is a huge advantage in a fight, and anyone who tells you otherwise is selling you a load of BS. I don't mean to speak for Planterz here, but he's a bit amused and annoyed that you pulled up a six month old thread and started trying to give him advice about balisongs and autos - two catagories of knives about which he knows a great deal more than you.
 
Hi...

Your first mistake
"After closing up shop Saturday night at 2am, I took my usual route home,"

Someone had you pegged.

Second mistake.

The Balisong.

Get a fixed blade and a handgun...

Glad you are alive..
That could have went even further south!!

ttyle

Eric...
 
I am for pepper spray in this situation. I have never been sprayed, but a police officer friend has and says it hurts like hell. And it could have been effective on both attackers.

The problem with knives for self-defense is that they can cause lethal harm and not many self-defense situations really merit such. I would say only carry a gun if you are totally certain you know how to use it and use it quickly. And of course, get a CCW permit should you get the firearm.
 
Hey Third Sec...

I think having your face kicked in warrents a chest cavity punture...
Lots of people have died from getting their faces punched into the cement..

Gun or Knife,, if you draw it,, you'd better be ready to use it.. Pulling a weapon on someone to scare them with it isn't a sound defensive tactic..

ttyle

Eric...
 
I read this thread a few months ago and held my tongue. Now that it has come back from the dead I guess I'll speak my mind.

If you're laying on the ground with your feet attached to a bicycle and multiple assailants pummeling you you're in bad shape no matter what weaponry is in your pockets.

I understand that you gain the ability to produce power on the upstroke as well as the downstroke by attaching your feet to the pedals, but you give up the ability to dismount the bike quickly and the ability to disengage from it quickly if you fall. The assailants had to stop their vehicle in front of the cyclist in the middle of the night on a deserted street, one of them had to get out in the cyclist's path, and then had to get close enough to the cyclist to clothline him.

As soon as the car started slowing near the cyclist in the middle of the night alarms should have been going off in the cyclist's mind. There are very few non-threatening reasons for such action by the vehicle driver. That's the time to either take evasive action on the bike, or if that is not possible to dismount, ditch the bike, and take evasive action on foot. (The second option is not available if your feet are attached in a complex way to the bike.) That is also the time to deploy a weapon if one is available. One might also be thinking of seeking cover and making noise, depending on the details of the situation.

I would suggest not worrying so much about which knife to carry and instead think about situational awareness and the pedals on the bike.
 
Will P. said:
Seems to me that you just crossed the void into the great dark gulf of ignorance...

Autos of any sort, especially D/A OTF's, require a good amount of dexterity to open. Much more so that a manual folder. Furthermore, in general OTF's are not practical for heavy work. They can jam quite easily. Balisongs aren't as intuitive or quick for me as other manual folders, but they have other advantages, especially for utility - namely incredible strong locks. Of course, I carry a fixed blade, so it doesn't really matter.

Why do you think a weapon would hurt you? As someone who occasionally gets into fights, the argument is purely legal and moral. Any weapon is a huge advantage in a fight, and anyone who tells you otherwise is selling you a load of BS. I don't mean to speak for Planterz here, but he's a bit amused and annoyed that you pulled up a six month old thread and started trying to give him advice about balisongs and autos - two catagories of knives about which he knows a great deal more than you.
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I wasnt giving anyone advice, do whatever the hell you want, its your life. I was stating my OPINION. Go ahead and carry a bali for SD if you want to. It won't be me getting stomped in the face cuz I couldn't flip out my knife in time cuz I'm was lying on my back getting the sh*t kicked out of me. It's easier to press a button than engage in some ninja BS. I wasn't dissing Planterz, he obviously knows better than any of us what its like to be in a situation where your method of deployment isn't adequate. I think youve watched too many hollywood movies, and probably dont know what its like to really get smoked in the face by someone who wants to hurt you bad. I'm sick of this armchair mall ninja bullsh*t. The real world doesnt have happy endings where the good guy wastes the "bad guy" and looks good while doing it. You try hooking your thumb into a manual folder while eating a fist. Maybe you should eject your Steven Seagal tape and figure out what its really like to feel pain and bleed for real.
 
hmmm, yes. I would be interested to hear more of this real world you speak of rat snake. and specifically, your experience in it.


someone else will surely be along momentarily to put you back in your proper place.
 
El Rata Serpiente said:
I wasnt giving anyone advice, do whatever the hell you want, its your life. I was stating my OPINION. Go ahead and carry a bali for SD if you want to. It won't be me getting stomped in the face cuz I couldn't flip out my knife in time cuz I'm was lying on my back getting the sh*t kicked out of me. It's easier to press a button than engage in some ninja BS. I wasn't dissing Planterz, he obviously knows better than any of us what its like to be in a situation where your method of deployment isn't adequate. I think youve watched too many hollywood movies, and probably dont know what its like to really get smoked in the face by someone who wants to hurt you bad. I'm sick of this armchair mall ninja bullsh*t. The real world doesnt have happy endings where the good guy wastes the "bad guy" and looks good while doing it. You try hooking your thumb into a manual folder while eating a fist. Maybe you should eject your Steven Seagal tape and figure out what its really like to feel pain and bleed for real.
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So let me get this straight. If I choose to use a bali I am an "armchair mall ninja"? That's not a very nice thing to say about those who practice Fillipino Martial Arts.
 
ugh.....I never said anything about Filipono MA, Kali, Escrima whatever. Just because you study a certain discipline doesn't mean you have to be bound by outdated traditional tools. Would you go to war with a musket? I happen to find sayoc kali one of the better martial arts, but I don't know what that has to do with butterfly knives. Picture youself lying on your back after catching a fist to the face, trying to flip open your Bali, when instead you could press a button, and voila, ready for action. You could ready an OTF inside your pocket if you really had to. You dont have to move your wrist around, just press down with your thumb. Anyways, don't put words in my mouth about Filipino martial arts, or whatnot. I was talking about getting a knife ready for action, nothing else. I'm done with this thread. And in terms of real life experience, I've been hit in the face enough times to know that it affects your fine motor skills. Despite what youd like to beleive, all fights don't start with you standing meters away from someone in your fancy jui-jitsu stance, ready to do battle. Sometimes your NOT ready, and thats when you need to be prepared the most. I'm done. :barf:
 
roughedges said:
someone else will surely be along momentarily to put you back in your proper place.
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That didn't take long! :D

El Rata Serpiente, calm down. I would hate to see this thread moved to Whine & Cheese. But there are certain terminological proprieties we should all be observing.

If you stay with Bladeforums a while, you may get a better idea who these armchair mall ninjas really are. They are serious men and experienced with knives. That their choice of weapons doesn't suit you is irrelevent, if it suits them. You are welcome to express your own opinion, but please don't insult them for expressing theirs.
 
El Rata Serpiente said:
I wasnt giving anyone advice, do whatever the hell you want, its your life. I was stating my OPINION. Go ahead and carry a bali for SD if you want to. It won't be me getting stomped in the face cuz I couldn't flip out my knife in time cuz I'm was lying on my back getting the sh*t kicked out of me. It's easier to press a button than engage in some ninja BS. I wasn't dissing Planterz, he obviously knows better than any of us what its like to be in a situation where your method of deployment isn't adequate. I think youve watched too many hollywood movies, and probably dont know what its like to really get smoked in the face by someone who wants to hurt you bad. I'm sick of this armchair mall ninja bullsh*t. The real world doesnt have happy endings where the good guy wastes the "bad guy" and looks good while doing it. You try hooking your thumb into a manual folder while eating a fist. Maybe you should eject your Steven Seagal tape and figure out what its really like to feel pain and bleed for real.
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maybe you should whip out your microtech OTF auto in self-defense and stab someone in the face and figure out what it's really like to feel pain and bleed for real when you get sent to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
 
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