Okay, semi-retired from knives, thanks to you all =]

I know this sounds defeatist , but you have to do everything possible not to attract attention. I worked in NYC for 12 years and can tell you I never clipped a knife to my pocket. The biggest knife I carried was similar in size to a KaBar Dozier folder ( but in the pocket).

Now I'm out of the city and work in Westchester County, but I seldom carry anything larger than a small slippie and on the rare occasion that I carry something bigger ( Leek or Scallion) I still carry in the pocket not clipped.

It's ironic because I'm planning to go to the NYC custom knife show in November and probably won't carry anything other than a cheap imported slipjoint.

I was following your story in the other thread and trully wish you the best, I know it really hurts when the system turns on you.
 
I live on Long Island and I have to tell you I've never had a problem carrying any of my knives. I do stay away from going into the city if I can help it but NYS has little in the way of knife laws while NYC is basically England.

It's one of those things where it all depends on how you act. Whip out your assisted opening knife and start playing with it at Target and you might draw unwanted attention, but most of my friends carry a knife on them and they don't seem to get hassled about it so I guess Long Island is just a better place to be a knife nut than NYC.
 
I was born in Brooklyn many years back. I've lived in a number of other places - but mostly Alabama. We take our 'privileges' here for granted - near instant gun purchase approval - fast CC pistol license approval - easy knife laws, even if Sportsmans Guide won't sell a Puma Bowie to my zipcode (no local ordnances against that). Watch an older movie - even 'The Graduate' - nearly forty years old. Watch the beginning - as Dustin Hoffman walks through LAX - compare it to now. Unreal. These 'constraints' came about a little at a time - like boiling a frog.

Now I have something else to worry about as to where I live next... my knives!

Stainz
 
Ha! It's for this exact reason that I told my girlfriend, "When we get married, I'm spending a couple grand and getting a Smith & Wesson Military and Police .40 pistol and a Patriot Ordinance Factory's P-415 (a civilian M4, but piston powered). Also, I'm going to at least buy a silencer (legal in Ohio) for my rifle and maybe one for the .40. All of this before these stinking laws come back into place before Bush is out of office. Add on an ACOG or Aimpoint, and a laser/led light combo and I'll be ready for the revolt when it comes, lol...

NYC sounds ridiculous... move to Chicago for Heaven's sake. Good luck guys.
Ryan

P.S. Why IS NYC so ridiculous with their laws? When did this happen?
 
EvanBNW said:
I live on Long Island and I've never had a problem with my pocket knife which is visible because I clip it to my pocket. I wonder if there is much of a difference between NYC and Long Island as far as knife laws.
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There is one big difference between NYC and LI when it comes to carrying a knife. On LI you can carry a knife clipped to your pocket in NYC it must be totally concealed, no clip showing. If the knife is totally concealed and has a blade under 4" in NYC you should have no problems. I got stopped in Penn Station for an exposed clip, The Officers told me it must be completely hidden and sent me on my way.
 
I must admit the idea that having law enforcement in our city PREFER for one's knife to be concealed, as opposed to being easily identified, as quite baffling. The simple notion being if you don't have something to hide, why do it? I've carried various models of knives with clips daily at work or out and about for years without issue....now I apparently can only hope it stays that way.

As to another post regarding CCP's in NYC: unless you are rich/famous, happen to carry large amounts of cash/jewelry for work or have the right connections it's nearly impossible to attain one here. There is currently I believe a mandatory 7 year sentence for carrying a concealed loaded weapon without one.
 
Time to be an American citizen GarageBoy. Write the local newspaper and public officials with your concerns in a serious, concise tone, as a concerned patriot.
If that won't work -move.
 
I'm probably going to step on some toes again, but I just can't understand why anybody would want to live in oppressive places like NYC and most other big cities. I can understand being born there and staying until adulthood, but after that it must be inertia that keeps most people there. At least 95% of our great country consists of much nicer places to make your home. I'm sure some of you won't agree with me, but that's how I see it.
 
severtecher said:
Time to be an American citizen GarageBoy. Write the local newspaper and public officials with your concerns in a serious, concise tone, as a concerned patriot.
If that won't work -move.
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Keep in mind, Daily News is more Anti Gun than any other MANY newspapers I've read and Wall St Journal is the one who wrote the anti knife one to begin with
 
GarageBoy said:
Since my summons, I've taken it easy and went down to a Delica. Even so, I've heard of at least 6-7 more guys "busted" for knives. One of my friends was even arrested because his record store was selling ink that they weren't supposed to be selling to minors and later charged with carrying a weapon (he was in store property, opening boxes with it)
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that really sucks. now this would prolly get one in more trouble than with the knife but if i had a CC on me and i was questioned by police as to why i was using a "weapon" at my work place, (the knife) i would calmly look at the officer, show him the license for CC and ask if he would prefer i use my pistol to open these boxes. what the reaction would be, i dunno (prolly bad really bad), but still, its use the "alledged" weapon, or use the actual weapon. ( i say "actual" very loosly. i know guns are for SD in virtually all cases, where a knife is a tool in same sense. i know i wouldn't want to use a pistol for package opening). alot of cops are good guys (heck i saw one using a BM osborne a few weeks back), but there are those who just dont care and go to the extreme.
 
Just gotta voice the other side's opinion for a sec...

I know there are utilitarian purposes to knives and such, but the LEO's and Legislators' views on carrying knives is: "Maybe if we eliminate the amount of objects that can Possibly used as weapons - violent crimes might decrease" (notice I said "Possibly", and "might" - two suggestions that this way of thinking is dubious in nature). Now most sheeple and average citizens would probably agree with this line of reasoning.

Along those same lines, very few LEOs are going to be very "friendly" towards you carrying something that could possibly hurt them in a tight situation... who knows, maybe they've been stabbed trying to subdue a drunk fool. Better safe than sorry, right? If you were bit by a rattlesnake in the desert (rare situation), I'm sure you'd be very wary next time you're walking around in the same area (again- rare situation). All the great experiences of having a box opened by an opportune knife escapes one's memory in that once-in-a-lifetime chance that you encounter a threatening knife.

Of course, my whole point is... there is reasoning why sheeple are so paranoid and proactive when it comes to carrying items that can potentially viewed as weapons - even if we as a selective group choose to disagree.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for having an EDC, but we can attempt to take the general public's opinion with a grain of salt and choose to disagree in a logical, calm, and understanding manner.

Just my 0.02 cents.
 
Messersmith, pepper spray or OC is perfectly legal carry here. The trooper was having a bad day.
 
Of course, my whole point is... there is reasoning why sheeple are so paranoid and proactive when it comes to carrying items that can potentially viewed as weapons - even if we as a selective group choose to disagree.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with your conclusions, fleetparadox. While it is possible that any given LEO has been threatened by a knife-wielder, the desire to deprive the citizenry en masse of a primary tool, due to this incident, is unreasonable. Yes, many people are proactively paranoid concerning knives and firearms, but I contend that the paranoia is not based on a real assessment of either the general human condition or of modern life in America.
If you were bit by a rattlesnake in the desert (rare situation), I'm sure you'd be very wary next time you're walking around in the same area (again- rare situation). All the great experiences of having a box opened by an opportune knife escapes one's memory in that once-in-a-lifetime chance that you encounter a threatening knife.
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Agreed - in successive desert trips, the person bitten by a rattler would be more cautious concerning snakes. But, would said person then seek to eliminate all snakes, everywhere? An attempt to do so would be rightfully viewed as excessive and improper, despite the fact that other people could still be bitten by other rattlesnakes.
One year ago, in July '06, I was held up at gun point at my local post office. Gladly, the criminal is soon heading to prison. The gun he used, he'd stolen earlier that night. Yes, I was very scared in the situation. Afterwards, did I jump to the conclusion that guns should be banned, that gun ownership should be heavily moderated, or that the carrying of firearms should be exclusive to various government agencies? No, on all points. Rather, I was validated in the knowledge that inanimate objects do not commit or cause violent crimes. Violent criminals commit violent crimes; the means by which they do so is actually irrelevant. Murder and crime existed long before firearms and one-handed, pocket-clipped folding knives did.

I'm not intending to bash you, fleetparadox, but to repsectfully disagree as clearly as I am able :)
 
I have written much on NY/NYC law in the law section, but just quickly as a former NYC LEO, your knife must be concealled ( no clip showing), it must be under 4" blade lenght and can not be flicked open. I also strongly suggest staying away from tanto-spear-bayonet blades as they can be considered dangerous knives under NYS law. NYC banned exposed knives in the 1980s under Mayor Kock, because there were too many people carrying knives on their belts on the subway and streets and this lead to confrontations among us NYers like ' I will take that knife off you---you won't use that knife on me...etc"... You must remember the wonderful people who live here--- they carry razors in their mouth behind their gold teeth and when I worked in Brooklyn it was a rare teenager that did not have a slash scar on their face. I agree with one person that stated most weapons used are screw drivers/ steak knives. That was my experience for sure, and that makes most LEOs not like big tactical knives as they see what is done day in and day out with tools and kitchen knives....Mace is legal here now for the last few years and the rest of NY is much better with the enforcement of knife laws, but that is because in all of Nassau County in the 1980s there were less than 20 murders a year, and in my precient ( one of about 75 in NYC) there were about 80 murders a year back then...makes you feel a little different about weapons with those numbers to deal with.....
 
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The gun he used, he'd stolen earlier that night. Yes, I was very scared in the situation. Afterwards, did I jump to the conclusion that guns should be banned, that gun ownership should be heavily moderated, or that the carrying of firearms should be exclusive to various government agencies? No, on all points. Rather, I was validated in the knowledge that inanimate objects do not commit or cause violent crimes. Violent criminals commit violent crimes; the means by which they do so is actually irrelevant. Murder and crime existed long before firearms and one-handed, pocket-clipped folding knives did.
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Incredible point here Trout. The conclusion that liberals and many legislators have come to - that banning/restricting guns keeps them out of criminals hands - is totally refuted by this situation. Criminals will use whatever means necessary to commit violent crimes, if they desire to do so.

In fact, if guns were banned for sale altogether, this crime you experienced would definitely have happened again, no question about it, because people who are willing to break the law to steal money are certainly willing to break the law to steal weapons. Its very plain and simple logic.

We (and you new yorkers) must do whatever necessary (hopefully within the law) to protect and uphold the 2nd amendment. When we allow the government to restrict our right to keep and bear arms, it allows that government IMMENSE power.

knife content: For blister packs, try anything with a hook shaped blade (like roofing razor blades that fit "superknives") or one of those plastic things with just a tip of a razor blade poking out. NO idea what they are called or where to get them.
 
Trout Farmer,

Your reasoning is exactly the sort of thought that is driving me to visit this site hourly, while trying to decide between a BM Osborne 960 or 707 Sequel. My voice of dissent may have suggested that I follow its progression of logic, whereas in reality I simply don't. However, I do realize the need for acknowledging that the proponents of "weapon" control do have their (as we knifenuts can agree) illogical but mildly/possibly reasonable explanations of how they reached their conclusion - and should keep that in the back of our minds.

My point wasn't to cast a vote for the detractors, rather just to say: "Look, they're not rabid, paranoid, and simply idiots for not wanting their neighbors to carry anything that could be used as a weapon outside of the house (I'm sure they would object to hoodlums carrying a shovel or baseball bat). The correlation between knife and weapon may not be completely causational and reasonable, but it does have a mild relationship fueled by a progression of caution and paranoid. Fear is a strong strong emotion that overrides all the others. Hatred, racism, and other terrible atrocities are born out of a desperation of fear of the unknown and potentially threatening.

So yeah, I agree with you Trout. Theirs is an argument with holes, but holes that one could progress through - with a little illogical fear as the motivator.
 
My two cents on knives/guns and the Second Amendment...for the first 25 years of my life I was a firm believer in the Second Amendment to the point that even requiring a permit was a infringement on a persons right to bear arms and therefor a violation of the Constitution. I have lived in NYC ( and Long Island now) all my life, and now nearing 50 I can say my views have changed somewhat. After serving in law enforcement, I have seen too many times when a weapon was used in anger, hate, a moment of intoxication, a love triangle, etc. Yes there are other ways those persons would have been hurt, but firearms and certain other weapons are designed to injury/kill quickly and effectively and in many cases mere seconds after the bullet has left the barrel the shooter has stated "what have I done?" We all should have the right to defend ourselves, and there are far too many laws on weapons(the most confusing and non uniform being knife laws), but I truly don't think it would be a better place if we all had free access to unlimited weapons. I am not sure what the correct measure is, and I do believe it is far different for a rural area than for a city. The need for self defense is far greater in a city, but the extreme miss use of weapons is also far greater there....
 
so, the moral of the story is, NYC sucks and slowly brainwashes you. get out if you can. I would not live there or in the UK.
 
tom19176, I too have pulled way to many razorblades out of peoples mouths. I get a little cautious knowing that about 75% of the people I encounter at 0400 hrs want to fight or run. So yeah, a knife in the pocket can mess up my night real quick.
 
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