"Old Knives"

[VCM3]

So Tony,back in those days,what kind of bone did the cutlers start out with,to produce big honkin' slabs like that ?
I know I've read it somewhere,but I can't think of it as we look at these knives
Thanks,
-Vince

 

[stockman242]

Ran it by Tony B. and he reckons you could call it a modified wharncliffe. Not your usual traditional knife blade.

not very usual, but the jigging is outstanding, as always .
definitely a great knife.

peter

 

[Blues]

Those swell center balloons are beautiful knives in both the diminutive and larger patterns.

 

[ken erickson]

Love the color of the bone on that Schrade!

I also had a question about the "milled" center spacers. Does the term milled refer to how the spacer is reduced from the full frame dimensions or the fine cross lines cut into it?

"Notice that milled center liner, and those swedges." Going back to the Case Tested cattle knife that Charlie posted back a bit.

Ken

 

[waynorth]

Milled refers to the "coining" on the edge of the recessed liner, Ken. I guess it to be cutler's terminology from some time ago. One old guy in the industry told me it served a purpose, making it less likely a mis-crinked or bent blade would hang up if it struck the liner. Don't know if that's true, but it looks cool regardless.
I had a user knife where the main blade struck the liner and cut into it if I didn't close it carefully. The resulting edge on the liner that turned out only made it worse.
I eventually crinked it (crudely I might add), but I could see that if the liner was milled, the blade would more easily "wear in" or "cut in" a spot, and slip home rather than hang up. Make sense?

 

[ken erickson]

I thought that was what "milled" referred to. I also think your term of "coining" is more descriptive. Thanks for the response. I do indeed think it looks cool also, however and believe me, no disrespect, wonder if it was not originally more a way to show the knife makers skill versus having function? I wonder if anyone else cares to comment?

Ken

 

[JatMat]

This one I was told was made by Camillus for Sears in the 1930's.
Blades are not pitted at all, but the mirror finish is not quite what it use to be.

James

 

[VCM3]

Thanks for adding to the thread Jim

I have a few older fixed blade knives to add
First this Case XX butcher knife,7" blade

 

[Blues]

Strange coincidence, I think, Vince, that my old I. Wilson (circa 1890's) butcher knife has a similar marking on the handle:

 

[VCM3]

Joseph Allen and Sons bowie, 7 " blade , 11 1/2 " overall, hammered pin bone slab handle, approx
1890 - 1920, unused and unsharpened, original grind marks, uncleaned

 

[VCM3]

George Wostenholm IXL bowie, 5 1/2 " blade, 9 1/2" overall, lead filled, nickle silver folding bowie guard,
stag slab handle w / federal shield, approx 1850 - 1890

 

[VCM3]

Strange coincidence, I think, Vince, that my old I. Wilson (circa 1890's) butcher knife has a similar marking on the handle:

That is a wierd coincidence!

 

[VCM3]

Here is a few older butcher's & chef's that are mine,from my grandfathers (Mom's side)restaraunt in Queens ,N.Y.

The top knife in this picture,Dexter boning knife,was my grandfathers on my Dads side

 

[JatMat]

Great old knives with history, that history and personal connections are what make knife collecting what it is. That is why I love WT Fullers work, His are not quite old enough for this thread, but I appreciate you guys sharing. Some of those knives look as if they cut up a bunch of pasta.
Jim

 

[keensharp]

nice old sentimental knives, let's see what I might be able to add to the mix.

A W.R. Case and Sons Pen with what I believe is Rogers bone.

this old cattaraugus pruner has seen better days but retains the old quality that hardly exists any more

here is an old utica pruner too

 

[stockman242]

Thats an outstanding W.R.Case and the pruners are nice as well.

Peter

 

[smiling-knife]

Very nice knives guys. This Wostenholm 'cowboy bowie'. 6 inch blade and nice stag scales.

 

[navihawk]

Heres a Filmore Cutlery Co. from Austria and a NYK whittler in horn.What surprises me is you don't see a lot of NYK's on this site.

 

[JatMat]

Found at Pawn Shop of a friend of mine today.

Don't know a lot about its history, but it is original and no pitting, some patina. But it has been cleaned.
Jim

 

[KnifeHead]

I posted the following Case straight knives in Sunnyd's thread as well so don't get all narky on me. I think these are good enough to be in bother threads but they're old too so THERE!

Here's something you don't see every day, Case kitchen cutlery.

The top one is stamped with a mark that was used between 1930-1945 on only fixed blade knives and generally made by Robinson Knife Co. under contract with Case. The blade is 7" long.

The middle one is a classic Case XX 400-8 (8" blade) pattern (1940-1965) Old Forge.

The bottom one is a special chrome plated presentation knife used to make a big show of slicing of long pieces of roast with one pass of the blade at the end of a grand buffet. Case pattern CA 211-14 (14" blade).