"Old Knives"

Always nice to pick up an old US knife over here :) Less nice to find some idiot cleaned it up with a grinder :mad:









Looks like I'm back on the beans on toast! :(
 
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scrteened porch said:
Good thing you have a new tin-opener!
I've never seen that pattern before, and it's certainly got a name to conjure with.
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LOL! :D Very similar to this Sheffield-made knife (Joseph Allen), often referred to (with some controversy) as the WW1 'Gift Knife'. The KK is just a tad shorter. I hope Charlie doesn't mind me showing this very poor pic of a knife Simmons made for Canadian troops in WW1, which I gifted him a while back (below). I'm not sure if this new knife was also made for military issue, or if it was intended for private purchase. I suspect the latter, but would welcome any additional info :thumbup:

 
Those British Navy knives show up on ebay continually. I have bought quite a few, some well used, others hardly used. They are solid knives built to last for centuries. Better in a belt sheath than in a pocket !
kj
 
Ballenxj said:
That is a neat old tool. Any idea of the vintage? Did I miss that somewhere? My guess would be around WW II?
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Thank you. IIRC the tang stamp G(crown)R Rodgers Cutlers to his Majesty is from after 1910 and before WWII.
The patent (Rd 354051) stamped on the handle is from 1900.
 
Jack Black said:
Always nice to pick up an old US knife over here :) Less nice to find some idiot cleaned it up with a grinder :mad:









Looks like I'm back on the beans on toast! :(
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Jack, I didnt think you were actually off the Beans and toast? I STILL very much like that KK even though someone had cleaned it up for you ;) Man that is a seriously cool knife!
That Jack Black division in the Museum needs to open up soon my friend!!
 
The Keen Kutter photos weren't showing up on my computer yesterday ...for some reason.... was it a ninja edit?? Those old Keen Kutters were well made knives. It's a neat pattern too. The bone covers don't have much wear to them. It's a shame that someone used a grinder on it but it's still an interesting knife. At least it's not a "ice cube knife". A lot of cleaned knives remind me of partially melted ice cubes since they resemble their original form in much the same way as a melted ice cube. I don't always find them in time and I have a few melted ice cubes in my collection.
 
Campbellclanman said:
Jack, I didnt think you were actually off the Beans and toast? I STILL very much like that KK even though someone had cleaned it up for you ;) Man that is a seriously cool knife!
That Jack Black division in the Museum needs to open up soon my friend!!
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At this rate Duncan, I might be on the Beans on toast until Christmas! :D ;) Thanks pal, hope I'm not going to have to pay for new floorboards! :eek: :D

supratentorial said:
The Keen Kutter photos weren't showing up on my computer yesterday ...for some reason.... was it a ninja edit?? Those old Keen Kutters were well made knives. It's a neat pattern too. The bone covers don't have much wear to them. It's a shame that someone used a grinder on it but it's still an interesting knife. At least it's not a "ice cube knife". A lot of cleaned knives remind me of partially melted ice cubes since they resemble their original form in much the same way as a melted ice cube. I don't always find them in time and I have a few melted ice cubes in my collection.
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Sorry about the pics, I'm having some problems with my Photobucket account at the moment, and a lot of my recent photos have 'gone down'. I'm hoping to get them restored soon. I know what you mean about 'ice cube' knives Jake, terrible to see what's done to some of these old beauties, not even by a real owner, but just by some daft lug thinking he's going to increase the value by 'cleaning' it :rolleyes: I'm hoping I can polish out some of the grind lines, and am still pleased to have found it :)
 
I've seen knives like that KK touted as WWI Canadian issue knives and made by other American cutlers like Schatt & Morgan, although I get the impression the KK is a bit smaller than the S&M's.
 
Yes indeed Charlie, I believe Camillus also made such knives for Simmons in 1915. The example above, now owned by Charlie C, is one such example (also pictured in BRL 4). The bone handled KK is 4". The similar Sheffield-made Joseph Allen WW1 'Gift Knife'/8173 Pattern, a pic of which I neglected to post, is slightly bigger at 4 1/4", but the knives with chequered buffalo horn are much bigger at 5", and of course also have the marlin spike.





For years, there's been a debate about whether the Gift Knife/8173 was a private purchase item or issue knife, and I guess the KK falls into the same category. It's certainly a lot more pocket-friendly than the huge and heavy buffalo-horn models. I guess it could have been an officer's knife, but with can-openers few and far between in those days, it would have been a handy knife in many walks of life.
 
Jack Black said:
At this rate Duncan, I might be on the Beans on toast until Christmas! :D ;) Thanks pal, hope I'm not going to have to pay for new floorboards! :eek: :D



Sorry about the pics, I'm having some problems with my Photobucket account at the moment, and a lot of my recent photos have 'gone down'. I'm hoping to get them restored soon. I know what you mean about 'ice cube' knives Jake, terrible to see what's done to some of these old beauties, not even by a real owner, but just by some daft lug thinking he's going to increase the value by 'cleaning' it :rolleyes: I'm hoping I can polish out some of the grind lines, and am still pleased to have found it :)
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Jack,are you familiar with facebook?...if you can open an account with them,start putting your pictures in albums.....you can set your albums to private,or public,or friends only,etc....
i guess it's ok to use that?....i haven't heard anything diffrent....i still have tons of pics on photobucket,but very seldom ever use it anymore...just an idea,
jd
 
Thanks a lot JD, much appreciated :thumbup: I sometimes think I'm the last person in the world without a Facebook profile, though I'm sure that's not the case! :D
 
jack,i just sent you a pm....had a question maybe you could help with....
and facebook is simple to use....jd
 
CNoyes said:
I've seen knives like that KK touted as WWI Canadian issue knives and made by other American cutlers like Schatt & Morgan, although I get the impression the KK is a bit smaller than the S&M's.
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This is the Schatt & Morgan you mentioned.

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Nice to see that S-K, you so ften manage to make a timely appearance :) :thumbup:
 
Jack Black said:
Thanks a lot JD, much appreciated :thumbup: I sometimes think I'm the last person in the world without a Facebook profile, though I'm sure that's not the case! :D
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I have a facebook page, but I've got it set so that only friends can affect it, and I have no friends. Wouldn't have it at all, but for info on a high school reunion, which of course was a bad idea anyway.

As a gold member, can't you upload pictures directly?
 
Thanks Jack. :-) Nice collection of Rodgers knives

This Rodgers knife is a similar pattern to one you showed earlier although it is much smaller than your knife at just about 3.25 inches long. The scales are ivory and it dates to circa 1930 give or take a few years.

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