"Old Knives"

kootenay joe · Dec 17, 2015

I am going on memory regarding 804 Whittler having that V cut out from center liner. I will try to find these and take pics.
I think not all 804's had this feature, others had a slightly shorter master blade.
kj

Pipeman · Dec 17, 2015

I believe this is an 804, it's umarked with a pattern # Somewhere there is a thead with a couple but I can't remember the name. I believe they said the v catch bit was on the premium models.

Best regard

Robin

kootenay joe · Dec 17, 2015

804 = 3 7/8"
836/837 = 3 9/16"
Robin, which is yours ? looks like 836 to me.
kj

Pipeman · Dec 17, 2015

kootenay joe said:
804 = 3 7/8"
836/837 = 3 9/16"
Robin, which is yours ? looks like 836 to me.
kj

Hi Bro, this is 3 7/8.

Gevonovich · Dec 17, 2015

Robin here in a link to the thread. Very nice specimen!!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...derous-Whittler?highlight=whittler+gevonovich

Pipeman · Dec 17, 2015

Gevonovich said:
Robin here in a link to the thread. Very nice specimen!!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...derous-Whittler?highlight=whittler+gevonovich

Thanks Gev, some great knives in that thread. I think there is another, I'm sure I posted the delrin Schrade in the thread I THINK I remember, could have been a dream though

Best regards

Robin

wlfryjr · Dec 17, 2015

Let it be known,I trust the seller ,he is an honest man.

Anybody know when they started making the 3 7/8" frame. I can't find it in the Catalog E with supplements until 1938 supp. No. 81004 3/8Stg

Reason I'm asking is there is a "unique" pruner marked Wilbert for sale in this frame. Wilbert was supposed c '08-1921.

Again,Let it be known,I trust the seller ,he is an honest man.

There is not much precedence for determination of these type knives.

supratentorial · Dec 17, 2015

wlfryjr said:
Anybody know when they started making the 3 7/8" frame. I can't find it in the Catalog E with supplements until 1938 supp. No. 81004 3/8Stg

Reason I'm asking is there is a "unique" pruner marked Wilbert for sale in this frame. Wilbert was supposed c '08-1921.

The seller is a member here and he has some beautiful knives. The pin appears to have been replaced on that particular knife and I suspect the pruner blade is not original.

wlfryjr · Dec 17, 2015

supratentorial said:
The seller is a member here and he has some beautiful knives. The pin appears to have been replaced on that particular knife and I suspect the pruner blade is not original.

Me too Jake. I spoke with him and he said it was in several he purchased. That he would further scrutinize it.He has been helpful to me before and I believe very forthright,just wanted to confirm my thoughts on the dating of that frame.

kootenay joe · Dec 17, 2015

That Wilbert whittler-pruner is odd. I have never seen that exact profile of the master blade; could be called a "half-hawk ?
Frame and jigged bone do look like Schrade but i have not previously read that Schrade made any of the Wilbert branded knives. However Schrade over the years made knives for nearly every other USA knife brand, so it is possible.
This one might deserve a posting in the Schrade Collectors forum to tap into their collective wisdom ?
I vouch for the seller 100%.
kj

supratentorial · Dec 17, 2015

I don't think there's any question that the pruner blade doesn't belong to the rest of the knife. I would have been a bit more direct if we were in BRL's forum. But I don't know the answer to Lyle's question regarding the age of the handle. I'm sure the seller didn't tamper with it. Someone did though.

kootenay joe · Dec 17, 2015

Here are 4 Schrade Walden 804, 3 7/8" Whittlers. The bottom 2 are older. Only the top 2 are marked "804".
Top knife: full flat grind; other 3: saber grind.
Bottom 2 show the notch.

These 3 are all 3 1/2" Schrade Walden. The black one is marked "836". All 3 have a saber grind. Top 2 have the V notch.

kj

supratentorial · Dec 17, 2015

Thank you for posting the examples! One blade does look like it required that notch in order to fit! No skimping!

herder · Dec 17, 2015

supratentorial said:
Thank you for posting the examples! One blade does look like it required that notch in order to fit! No skimping!

A clever idea to get the maximum blade length in a handle (which also centered the blade in that "v" notch). It was a common practice used in French knives from the mid 1800s to have a similar type liner gap at the end of handle to allow for a slightly longer blade.

blademan 13 · Dec 17, 2015

KJ, a beautiful bevy of Schrades! Thanks for taking the time to gather them up and post the pics. :thumbup:

supratentorial · Dec 17, 2015

Nice example, herder. What is the make and vintage of the knife?

wlfryjr · Dec 17, 2015

Again ,I want everyone to know I trust the seller of the aforementioned knife. In no way was I trying to slander him.

I should have kept some details to myself.For that I'm sorry.

mike Berkovitch · Dec 18, 2015

Great whittlers KJ. I Love Schrade whittlers with saber grind. Thank you fir sharing those.

Mike

supratentorial · Dec 18, 2015

wlfryjr said:
Again ,I want everyone to know I trust the seller of the aforementioned knife. In no way was I trying to slander him.

I should have kept some details to myself.For that I'm sorry.

Lyle, It's not my intention to slander anyone either. I stand by my comments on the parts knife and made no negative comments about the seller but if you want we both can edit out our posts.

kootenay joe · Dec 18, 2015

Lyle, the net result of your post is positive for the seller. I and others have posted how much respect we have for this person's integrity and knife knowledge. He also has many unique and highly collectible knives which he has posted in this forum and the BRL forum.
Posting an unusual knife here is helpful as we all benefit from the collective wisdom and all learn something that we did not previously know.
kj