"Old Knives"

[Jack Black]

Here again trying to play catch up, very nice old knives being posted everyone. Dave, love all the Shatts but that Tobacco spear blade is just stellar!

Couple of WW1 Navy knives, a Mutt and a Jeff in sizes, a Thomaston and a Wostenholm, both patterns made by several different manufacturers.

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Me too Augie, I'm so far behind with this thread, I need to spend an afternoon looking at all the treasure Those are two beauties, but your IXL is a WW1 British ARMY (6353 Pattern) knife I believe. I have an IXL 6353 myself, but don't seem to be able to find a photo I've had more travails than travels recently, but I've just found these while trying to tidy up my kitchen table



IXL



Joseph Rodgers



Giesen & Forsthoff



J.H.Thompson



T.Wattam



Mappin & Webb





J.H.Thompson



Cowlishaw





Richards



Green & Green

 

[ADEE]

A great show Jack. Thanks. Some very nice items there. Hope your "travails" ease.

 

[Jack Black]

A great show Jack. Thanks. Some very nice items there. Hope your "travails" ease.

Thanks mate

 

[screened porch]

Love that Giesen geezer.

 

[Jack Black]

Love that Giesen geezer.

Thanks mate, it's a shame someone snapped the pen blade

 

[LongBlade]

So many great knives posted all - I just can't seem to find the time everyday to check-in - but in going back a few pages -

Sweet Waterville, Aluminum pen Long Blade!! It just so happens this pattern was going to be the next S&M I had figured on posting! Great minds think alike!!

Duncan, that Lockwood English beauty sure looks like a Tank!! Love the blade stamp!!

Love the Stag on the Henckels Mike, as Long Blade said the shield on the 2 blade is quite unusual!! Could we possibly see the pile sides of those two Beauties?

These next few knives I just recently acquired. I got wind that a major Schatt collector and historian was selling his collection and moving on to different things in life. For those of you who know David Clark, you know he has been interested in pocketknives all his life. He got interested in S&M and Queen Cutlery and has really brought to light many artifacts that would most likely been lost for good if not for his passion and investigating.
David co-wrote a book with David Krauss on the Dollar knives connection to Schatt and Morgan. He has written many articles in "Knife World" over the years. He also was the person who tracked down a relative of either John W. Schatt or C.B. Morgan, I can't remember which, and brought to light the S&M 1903 and 1908 Catalogs, which he had reproduced. From those catalogs he was instrumental in getting the "Heritage Series" made. Unfortunately Queen so far has only produced two releases of the Heritage Series, but I still have hope!

I feel Very fortunate to have been in the right place at the right time to not only acquire some of David's collection but also some of his knowledge and historical "finds," so they don't get re-lost.
I decided before I posted in this thread that I would only post the "old" knives here, the pre-Titusville knives and start another Schatt and Morgan thread so as not to side track this Great thread completely!!

Similar to the Waterville pen, this Schatt is 3 1/4" closed, sunk joints and half stops, french pulls and New York tang stamp. Please excuse the horse hair in the 1st pic!
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Dave

Wonderful knives Knowtracks (Dave) and a really nice S&M collection my friend - and really like the engraved pattern on your S&M aluminum knife which is somewhat similar to the pattern on the bolster pattern of the Torrey I posted a few pages back...

Augie - Love that Thomaston Navy knife - as we discussed I picked up the same one a few months back - funny thing as Charlie Noyes pointed out they were not among the big makers of early Navy knives as pointed out and not even listed in Levines... I'll have to get photos of mine as well... no doubt similar bone and all!!!

Jak3 - Sweet looking Boy Scout from S&M - love that bone handle.....

Charlie - Thanks for the Ulster and Schrade break ... all beauties from you as usual... (BTW - you guys have me really curious now about those background beads that you guys use - seen them in other photos but didn't realize they were old or their origin... just don't know much about them though I have some from some Amazon tribes with some cool beads and bizarre animal teeth and claws )...

Jack - as usual great showing of Sheffield knives my friend ... (Sorry about your travails but truth is been going through a number of not so pleasant situations of life myself mate....)...

Cheers
Lee

 

[Jack Black]

Hi Augie. Great knives. The broad arrow inside a C on the spike of your Wostenholm was the Canadian GI military mark.

Me too Augie, I'm so far behind with this thread, I need to spend an afternoon looking at all the treasure Those are two beauties, but your IXL is a WW1 British ARMY (6353 Pattern) knife I believe. I have an IXL 6353 myself, but don't seem to be able to find a photo

I did find a pic of the spike though!

Jack - as usual great showing of Sheffield knives my friend ... (Sorry about your travails but truth is been going through a number of not so pleasant situations of life myself mate....)...

Thanks a lot Lee Sorry to hear that my friend, I hope things turn around soon

 

[rockman0]

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

 

[paulhilborn]

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

Nice Rob, nice full blades, love that curved frame. I noticed that knife as well. Very unique and I too am not sure how to date many Sheffield knives...Duncan, Jack???

Jack and Augie, nice knives guys!

 

[Old Engineer]

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

Wow !!!!!! Another Taylors Eye Witness !!!! I am very happy to see it !!!! And with Taylors ...... Witness STAMPED out on the blades . I can not help you much with dating it . I have looked for some time now and have never ever found anything other than " It must be stamped with the word ENGLAND if it was going to be sold outside of England after the year of 1891 or 1892 " . I have 2 of their Barlows that I bought new in 2014 and mine does not have that stamping out on the blades and the blades are stainless . It appears that yours are not stainless . What are your Covers and Liners made of ???? How is the Snap ???? I think you got a heck of a knife Sir and Congrats to You !!!

Harry

 

[Old Engineer]

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

It also looks like you may have a Lambfoot blade . You would have to measure it to make sure . If it is a Lambfoot Blade , you really have a cool knife my friend !!!!

Harry

 

[rockman0]

Thanks Harry! I am excited to have it. I think the covers are wood, they are separating from the liners and one liner is slightly bent. Liners are carbon steel. I'm thinking of having the covers replaced with jigged bone. Both blades have good snap in each position with no wobble. It measures 3 3/8" closed and the lambs foot measures 2 5/8" from bolster to tip. Blades are carbon steel. I couldn't resist this one with the full blades and curved frame.

 

[rockman0]

Thanks Paul !

 

[lambertiana]

Me too Augie, I'm so far behind with this thread, I need to spend an afternoon looking at all the treasure Those are two beauties, but your IXL is a WW1 British ARMY (6353 Pattern) knife I believe. I have an IXL 6353 myself, but don't seem to be able to find a photo I've had more travails than travels recently, but I've just found these while trying to tidy up my kitchen table



IXL



Joseph Rodgers



Giesen & Forsthoff



J.H.Thompson



T.Wattam



Mappin & Webb





J.H.Thompson



Cowlishaw





Richards



Green & Green

Jack - If that is what you come up with when you tidy up the kitchen table, you need to come over and tidy up my kitchen table.

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

Great knife! Clip and lambsfoot in one frame, I'd love to find one of these.

 

[Old Engineer]

Thanks Harry! I am excited to have it. I think the covers are wood, they are separating from the liners and one liner is slightly bent. Liners are carbon steel. I'm thinking of having the covers replaced with jigged bone. Both blades have good snap in each position with no wobble. It measures 3 3/8" closed and the lambs foot measures 2 5/8" from bolster to tip. Blades are carbon steel. I couldn't resist this one with the full blades and curved frame.

I think you have the basics for a ending up with a great knife . I have 2 old TEW's that have dark brown jigged bone and they both have Worm Tracks but I would have no way of knowing what the original color may have been . I think your possible choice of jigged bone would be great . Congrats again and good luck with your Project .
Harry

 

[Jack Black]

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

Wow, that is an absolutely fantastic knife Lambsfoot and a Clip on a Barlow frame, I wonder if it was made for the Australian market? That might be a good place to look in terms of old catalogue images. I have a book with a few Australian catalogue scans, so will have a look later. Feel free to post pics in the Lambsfoot thread

Edit - Just to add, the blade combination - a Lambsfoot with another full-size blade is unusual. It wasn't for US export, nor is it a pattern I've seen here (except in more recent years). However, it WAS a pattern favoured in Australia, as was the 'Bunny Knife' Clip, the Barlow bolster and curved frame, and the Lambsfoot. Also TEW exported to Australia. Here's a catalogue scan, for which I am grateful to Cambertree , which give examples of just a few of the knives imported to Australia from Sheffield.

Jack and Augie, nice knives guys!

Thanks Paul

Thanks Harry! I am excited to have it. I think the covers are wood, they are separating from the liners and one liner is slightly bent. Liners are carbon steel. I'm thinking of having the covers replaced with jigged bone. Both blades have good snap in each position with no wobble. It measures 3 3/8" closed and the lambs foot measures 2 5/8" from bolster to tip. Blades are carbon steel. I couldn't resist this one with the full blades and curved frame.

Personally, I'd try and keep that as near to original as possible, it's a special knife

Jack - If that is what you come up with when you tidy up the kitchen table, you need to come over and tidy up my kitchen table.



Great knife! Clip and lambsfoot in one frame, I'd love to find one of these.

LOL! Thanks my friend! +1 on that Barlow, I'd consider myself very, very lucky to find a knife like that

 

[rockman0]

L lambertiana Thanks !
Old Engineer Thanks Harry! I look forward to spending some time with this one.
Jack Black Thanks for all the great detailed information Jack! I think you talked me out of replacing the covers as I didn't realize it is a rare blade configuration. The covers are not wobbly just gaps between the liners. Thankfully it didn't get a lot of attention, only 4 bidders including myself. I'm happy to hear it's special but I will have to drop it in a slip and carry it. I'll get better pictures thousands weekend and post in the Lambsfoot thread.

 

[Cambertree]

Got this in yesterday. I'm not familiar with how to date Taylor's stamps, any help is appreciated.

Rob, that is a real find, an extremely interesting knife, and in fantastic condition too, considering it's age.

As Jack said, there were quite a few variants of the more commonly known British and American knife patterns made specifically for the Australian market. Some of the nomenclature of patterns was different in Australia, too - generally, pattern names were fairly basic and related to the knifes intended function. Your knife could well be a Bunny knife intended for the Australian market.

The Lambsfoot blade also turned up on Sportsman's knives in Australia, as well as on 'Two-bladed Stock Knives' like the Western Castrator, paired with a castrator/spey blade.

I''ve never seen that blade combination together before in a Bunny knife, though.

Here's a similar Taylor's Eye Witness Bunny knife with a full length castrator/spey secondary blade. (Apologies for my poor photo quality and distracting background.)

And some other Bunny Knives, for reference (these knives are all from my friend @1500international's collection, who I daresay, would also be very interested to see this knife):

Are you sure the handle cover material is not some type of rubber/synthetic composition?

 

[Jack Black]

Jack Black Thanks for all the great detailed information Jack! I think you talked me out of replacing the covers as I didn't realize it is a rare blade configuration. The covers are not wobbly just gaps between the liners. Thankfully it didn't get a lot of attention, only 4 bidders including myself. I'm happy to hear it's special but I will have to drop it in a slip and carry it. I'll get better pictures thousands weekend and post in the Lambsfoot thread.

A pleasure Rob, because I'm interested in both the Lambsfoot pattern and old Barlow knives, it's a real treat for me to even see a knife like that I'll look forward to seeing more of it in the Lambsfoot thread

Rob, that is a real find, an extremely interesting knife, and in fantastic condition too, considering it's age.

As Jack said, there were quite a few variants of the more commonly known British and American knife patterns made specifically for the Australian market. Some of the nomenclature of patterns was different in Australia, too - generally, pattern names were fairly basic and related to the knifes intended function. Your knife could well be a Bunny knife intended for the Australian market.

The Lambsfoot blade also turned up on Sportsman's knives in Australia, as well as on 'Two-bladed Stock Knives' like the Western Castrator, paired with a castrator/spey blade.

I''ve never seen that blade combination together before in a Bunny knife, though.

Here's a similar Taylor's Eye Witness Bunny knife with a full length castrator/spey secondary blade. (Apologies for my poor photo quality and distracting background.)

And some other Bunny Knives, for reference (these knives are all from my friend @1500international's collection, who I daresay, would also be very interested to see this knife):

Are you sure the handle cover material is not some type of rubber/synthetic composition?

Great to see those Bunnies my friend

 

[waynorth]

That is an unusual TEW, Rob!! Great knife!
As you would expect, I strongly recommend NOT altering or cleaning that knife. It represents an interesting point in cutlery history, which would be erased by alteration. I'd give a hefty sum for it as is, but not a plugged nickel if it is altered!! (NOT a solicitation - just a sampling of opinion!!)
Just oil the joints!!