On Randall knives

Not mine... but at this point I wouldn't care if it made her happy.

It is entirely possible that you might run into a Randall or other custom knife at a garage or estate sale and the family holding the affair may have no idea of the value. Truth is I doubt many would pay close to value in that situation. You go... how much? They say $100 thinking that is a lot because they know it's a nice knife. Few would say... how about if I give you another $200?

Real nice story. :thumbsup: Did you understand what you actually gave away back then?

I agree.

I KNEW it had some value, but I did some mental calculations, the elder gentlemen wanted it used, if I got back it might be taken back, and the kid needed a new knife. So the only way to get it back would be track down the bush pilot who plopped me 8 miles from the native village over the ridge and not in the real middle of no where because he thought I was too green hornish (I will not confirm or deny that statement) :D. But mostly I knew he needed more than I did, it had nice wear marks by then. :cool:
 
I KNEW it had some value, but I did some mental calculations, the elder gentlemen wanted it used, if I got back it might be taken back, and the kid needed a new knife. So the only way to get it back would be track down the bush pilot who plopped me 8 miles from the native village over the ridge and not in the real middle of no where because he thought I was too green hornish (I will not confirm or deny that statement) :D. But mostly I knew he needed more than I did, it had nice wear marks by then. :cool:
When I mentioned value (when I mentioned "what you actually gave away"), I meant it not being just your ordinary knife. But it was quite generous of you to give it to the kid. I hope he values it! I knew you couldn't get it back relative to the estate. That was kind of a given. Do you recall which model it was?

As a young person, I wouldn't have really known what kind of value it had other than I would know it was a very good knife. I didn't really come into contact with Randall's until I was in my 30's.
 
Nice pipe dream, finding a Randall for a couple of bucks at a garage sale. Like everyone on this forum wouldn't like to do the same thing.
Pipe dream? You amuse me. If you don't think beat up old Randall's can be found at garage sales, estate sales, and flea markets for pennies on the dollar you are sadly mistaken, and uninformed. Educate yourself. Do a little research, and see that these things are often being sold by people who have no idea what a Randall knife is. Especially one that is well used, beaten up, and has lots of patina. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time.
 
No, sold it about 10 years ago for over $300, that was basically a gift price to a friend.
 
Scotty. I am laughing at your reply to Side Hill Gouger, who knows more about knives and has handled, owned, been in the knife business for more than 40 years, and more importantly used knives more than you ever have, at least based on your comments. Has a Randall knife ever shown up at a yard sale, I am sure it has happened; however, not very often as the name Randall is well known even at yard sales. John
 
Scotty. I am laughing at your reply to Side Hill Gouger, who knows more about knives and has handled, owned, been in the knife business for more than 40 years, and more importantly used knives more than you ever have, at least based on your comments. Has a Randall knife ever shown up at a yard sale, I am sure it has happened; however, not very often as the name Randall is well known even at yard sales. John
You also entertain me. Thank you for that. I don't care who has handled, owned, used, sold, and or made more knives than me. That is not the question. The Randall knives that I have handled in person were nothing more than crude examples of handmade knives. Even the one that I owned. Yeah sure Bo Randall made knives that guys took to war, so what. So did a lot of other makers. With a Randall you are just getting a name. For the same money you can get an American made knife that will run circles around a Randall all day every day without the wait, or horrible customer service. And for the record....practically no one under the age of 50 knows what a Randall knife is. You Randall fan boys are funny.
 
Scotty You implied that Side Hill Gouger was "sadly mistaken, and "uniformed" and to "Educate yourself" reference Randals being available at yard sales, and apparently the knife business as a whole. So I stand by my comments that you know not what you speak of, concerning Side Hill Gougers knowledge of the knives or the business in general. You do not care "who has handled, owned or used, sold and or made more knives than me" so people who have more experience than you, their opinions do not count as much as your apparently limited experience? Seems like most of the people who have commented on their Randal's have had positive experiences with them over many years. No one said you could not find an equally good or better knife at far less money and waiting period. Are there better finished custom knives out there, sure, and once you actually use them is there much if any difference than "crude examples of handmade knives". Enough said from me, I think back to the discussion Hawkeye has in the "Last of the Mohicans" with Madeline Stowe about how his Father taught him not to try to understand some people. John
 
Scotty You implied that Side Hill Gouger was "sadly mistaken, and "uniformed" and to "Educate yourself" reference Randals being available at yard sales, and apparently the knife business as a whole. So I stand by my comments that you know not what you speak of, concerning Side Hill Gougers knowledge of the knives or the business in general. You do not care "who has handled, owned or used, sold and or made more knives than me" so people who have more experience than you, their opinions do not count as much as your apparently limited experience? Seems like most of the people who have commented on their Randal's have had positive experiences with them over many years. No one said you could not find an equally good or better knife at far less money and waiting period. Are there better finished custom knives out there, sure, and once you actually use them is there much if any difference than "crude examples of handmade knives". Enough said from me, I think back to the discussion Hawkeye has in the "Last of the Mohicans" with Madeline Stowe about how his Father taught him not to try to understand some people. John
You, or anyone else on here doesn't have to understand me, but understand this......I purchased a hand made Randall knife from an authorized Randall dealer, and was sold nothing more than a barely polished crudely made piece of shit. I was further given the same shitty/horrible customer service from none other than Michael Randall himself when I asked nothing more than honest questions about my newly acquired Model 14. If you Randall lovers want to ooohhhh & aaaahh over these things...knock yourself out. Just remember this....at the end of the day you are just drooling and pining over a substandard knife backed by a company with disgusting/embarrassing customer service.
 
mendezj mendezj These Randall threads always go the same. 10 plus people post they love them but never use them. 5 guys love them and use them. 5 guys tell us we are fools for spending that much because they have a copy that is just as good. 3 guys tell us they couldn’t possibly wait that long. 1 guy has to tell us over and over again he had 1 that was terrible. So they are all junk.

I’ve never seen any brand on a knife forum get this kind of treatment.
 
mendezj mendezj These Randall threads always go the same. 10 plus people post they love them but never use them. 5 guys love them and use them. 5 guys tell us we are fools for spending that much because they have a copy that is just as good. 3 guys tell us they couldn’t possibly wait that long. 1 guy has to tell us over and over again he had 1 that was terrible. So they are all junk.

I’ve never seen any brand on a knife forum get this kind of treatment.
Oh, well. What can I say. Cool avatar. :thumbsup:
 
My Randall purchases go from 1979, which is the #1 on top, to a #16 in 1998.. I have a #23, a #14, pictured, and another #16 with saw teeth.

Only one of the knives is high carbon, so all the rest are 440B stainless. All about one were purchased at Randall's in Orlando.

gt6uWuU.jpg


A Special Forces bud of mine, who had three tours in Vietnam said that at one time every Infantry Officer carried a Randall. Choices for good knives was very limited up to the late 1980's. Factory knives were generally carbon steel, or nickel plated carbon steel, and were thin. At least Randall made a thicker knife, something that could take more abuse, without weighing too much. I think the heavy prybar knife trend of today is a reflection of the fact that people don't walk anymore, and their vehicle carries everything. When you have to carry everything with you, or should I say, on you, the weight of objects are evaluated in a different light. The WW2 veterans I knew walked with 90 to 100 lbs of gear, sometimes 20 miles a day, and were so fatigued that they dropped to the ground during rest periods. Sometimes they had to be kicked awake. These guys hated extra weight. I showed a Western Bowie to one, and he said "imagine carrying that!". He had walked up and down hot, steamy, mountains in New Guinea, with his military gear, and would have tossed that Western Bowie in a ditch instead of hauling with him.

I think the Randall was a knife that was tough enough without being too heavy. Randall's designs are all based on that thick spine, and that spine does not make for a good slicing knife. My Model 23 splits more than it slices, so that is a limitation, in my opinion, for the smaller knives. I always liked that Randall knives had handles which fit the human hand. This is still a pet grouse of mine. Handles tend to be sized to look proportionate with the blade. A short blade gets a short handle. Looks great, looks natural, and is totally wrong. Humans seem to have innate biases about proportionality, which in practice, don't work in all applications. My palm did not get shorter with a shorter blade, so these short handles make for an unmanageable (two finger sometimes) and uncomfortable knife. But they look good. And looks are what sells.

The Randall #1 is not a good slicer either. It is very wedgie. Sure they will cut, and they will hold an edge commensurate with the steels and heat treatment. But, prices got ridiculous and new, innovative knife companies came on line, and provided knife patterns that the old knife companies ignored.

I used to carry my #23 out hunting, I beat up the walnut handle and scabbard, used it a few times. But you know, if I am going to lose a knife, I would rather lose a less expensive knife. The market provides really excellent knives today, stuff we never had before, and prices are reasonable. I don't carry any custom knives in the field either.

The original owner, and the owners up to me, never carried this knife anywhere. So what is the purpose of a knife like this if it is never used?

dnXmRJC.jpg


A bud of mine, who had multiple tours in Afghanistan and Iraqi, and places that cannot be named, his philosophy was "throw away knife". He has been blown up before, lost gear, lost a finger jumping out of a MRAP (there was a ring on that finger, ring caught the door opening, finger stayed in vehicle when he hit the ground). When he was killing people, he did not want a knife that was too hard to sharpen in the field with a three inch stone,

z0YSciN.jpg


and he did not want something so expensive that it really hurt if you lost it. What was available in the PX was good enough for his uses. Really expensive field knives are a vanity in today's world. You can find totally functional, outstanding, commercial knives that meet your needs, for a lot less.

My Vietnam Special forces bud, this is one knife he carried, but he said the first one broke its tip cutting saw grass, so he left this one back in the encampment.

QNFu88w.jpg


This is the knife he carried into the field. Because he could slice the bread that came in a C ration can. Bud did say it would create a world of hurt on someone, but I could tell, he would rather shoot you with a fully automatic weapon, than get close enough to stab or slash. And, it just seems stupid to attack someone carrying an AK47 with a knife.

D0tLuC0.jpg


All of my Randalls are good knives, so you want to have a Randall, get a Randall.
 
H helobite , I applaud you immensely for your quality post, I enjoyed reading every word of it. Not only has it deep content, but is written intelligently, and has style.

Many thanks indeed.




My Randall purchases go from 1979, which is the #1 on top, to a #16 in 1998.. I have a #23, a #14, pictured, and another #16 with saw teeth.

Only one of the knives is high carbon, so all the rest are 440B stainless. All about one were purchased at Randall's in Orlando.

gt6uWuU.jpg


A Special Forces bud of mine, who had three tours in Vietnam said that at one time every Infantry Officer carried a Randall. Choices for good knives was very limited up to the late 1980's. Factory knives were generally carbon steel, or nickel plated carbon steel, and were thin. At least Randall made a thicker knife, something that could take more abuse, without weighing too much. I think the heavy prybar knife trend of today is a reflection of the fact that people don't walk anymore, and their vehicle carries everything. When you have to carry everything with you, or should I say, on you, the weight of objects are evaluated in a different light. The WW2 veterans I knew walked with 90 to 100 lbs of gear, sometimes 20 miles a day, and were so fatigued that they dropped to the ground during rest periods. Sometimes they had to be kicked awake. These guys hated extra weight. I showed a Western Bowie to one, and he said "imagine carrying that!". He had walked up and down hot, steamy, mountains in New Guinea, with his military gear, and would have tossed that Western Bowie in a ditch instead of hauling with him.

I think the Randall was a knife that was tough enough without being too heavy. Randall's designs are all based on that thick spine, and that spine does not make for a good slicing knife. My Model 23 splits more than it slices, so that is a limitation, in my opinion, for the smaller knives. I always liked that Randall knives had handles which fit the human hand. This is still a pet grouse of mine. Handles tend to be sized to look proportionate with the blade. A short blade gets a short handle. Looks great, looks natural, and is totally wrong. Humans seem to have innate biases about proportionality, which in practice, don't work in all applications. My palm did not get shorter with a shorter blade, so these short handles make for an unmanageable (two finger sometimes) and uncomfortable knife. But they look good. And looks are what sells.

The Randall #1 is not a good slicer either. It is very wedgie. Sure they will cut, and they will hold an edge commensurate with the steels and heat treatment. But, prices got ridiculous and new, innovative knife companies came on line, and provided knife patterns that the old knife companies ignored.

I used to carry my #23 out hunting, I beat up the walnut handle and scabbard, used it a few times. But you know, if I am going to lose a knife, I would rather lose a less expensive knife. The market provides really excellent knives today, stuff we never had before, and prices are reasonable. I don't carry any custom knives in the field either.

The original owner, and the owners up to me, never carried this knife anywhere. So what is the purpose of a knife like this if it is never used?

dnXmRJC.jpg


A bud of mine, who had multiple tours in Afghanistan and Iraqi, and places that cannot be named, his philosophy was "throw away knife". He has been blown up before, lost gear, lost a finger jumping out of a MRAP (there was a ring on that finger, ring caught the door opening, finger stayed in vehicle when he hit the ground). When he was killing people, he did not want a knife that was too hard to sharpen in the field with a three inch stone,

z0YSciN.jpg


and he did not want something so expensive that it really hurt if you lost it. What was available in the PX was good enough for his uses. Really expensive field knives are a vanity in today's world. You can find totally functional, outstanding, commercial knives that meet your needs, for a lot less.

My Vietnam Special forces bud, this is one knife he carried, but he said the first one broke its tip cutting saw grass, so he left this one back in the encampment.

QNFu88w.jpg


This is the knife he carried into the field. Because he could slice the bread that came in a C ration can. Bud did say it would create a world of hurt on someone, but I could tell, he would rather shoot you with a fully automatic weapon, than get close enough to stab or slash. And, it just seems stupid to attack someone carrying an AK47 with a knife.

D0tLuC0.jpg


All of my Randalls are good knives, so you want to have a Randall, get a Randall.
 
There are bargains out there, my only "Score" was a Remington 1123 "Bullet" I got for $4.00. Main blade well sharpened but the skinning blade was in good shape, great "Walk & Talk, and the stag scales were in good shape. I later sold it to Mel Brewster, who literally wrote the book on Remington Bullets for $125. A friend just sent me today a photo of what looked like a deactivated, small grenade, that no seemed to know what it was. Just heard from him, it was a "Shinkle" concussion grenade from 1918, that went for $20 at a yard sale, Last one sold on line went for something like $2776! John
 
I found a large Randall Arkansas toothpick (standard model) in 1965 at a pawn shop for $17 in Wash. D.C. Couldn't get my wallet out fast without tearing my pants, but I bought it. Steal of a lifetime.
rich

Randall was asking $60 in 1965 for the same model. So people have a reference. The larger #12 Bowies were between $55-65. The #1,2,3 were $25-30, The #14 and 18 were between $32-36.
 
My Randall purchases go from 1979, which is the #1 on top, to a #16 in 1998.. I have a #23, a #14, pictured, and another #16 with saw teeth.

Only one of the knives is high carbon, so all the rest are 440B stainless. All about one were purchased at Randall's in Orlando.

gt6uWuU.jpg


A Special Forces bud of mine, who had three tours in Vietnam said that at one time every Infantry Officer carried a Randall. Choices for good knives was very limited up to the late 1980's. Factory knives were generally carbon steel, or nickel plated carbon steel, and were thin. At least Randall made a thicker knife, something that could take more abuse, without weighing too much. I think the heavy prybar knife trend of today is a reflection of the fact that people don't walk anymore, and their vehicle carries everything. When you have to carry everything with you, or should I say, on you, the weight of objects are evaluated in a different light. The WW2 veterans I knew walked with 90 to 100 lbs of gear, sometimes 20 miles a day, and were so fatigued that they dropped to the ground during rest periods. Sometimes they had to be kicked awake. These guys hated extra weight. I showed a Western Bowie to one, and he said "imagine carrying that!". He had walked up and down hot, steamy, mountains in New Guinea, with his military gear, and would have tossed that Western Bowie in a ditch instead of hauling with him.

I think the Randall was a knife that was tough enough without being too heavy. Randall's designs are all based on that thick spine, and that spine does not make for a good slicing knife. My Model 23 splits more than it slices, so that is a limitation, in my opinion, for the smaller knives. I always liked that Randall knives had handles which fit the human hand. This is still a pet grouse of mine. Handles tend to be sized to look proportionate with the blade. A short blade gets a short handle. Looks great, looks natural, and is totally wrong. Humans seem to have innate biases about proportionality, which in practice, don't work in all applications. My palm did not get shorter with a shorter blade, so these short handles make for an unmanageable (two finger sometimes) and uncomfortable knife. But they look good. And looks are what sells.
<snip>
All of my Randalls are good knives, so you want to have a Randall, get a Randall.
The spines are thick and most Randall's are not good slicers if they are the usual 1/4" stock. Prior to the 80's, there really weren't many high quality knives available. There weren't many custom knife makers. Bill Moran was one of them. Few knew about the makers that existed and these knives were expensive based on the standards of the day. I considered Randall fighters the ultimate tactical knife/survival knife at about the time the Rambo movies started to appear.

Randall was asking $60 in 1965 for the same model. So people have a reference. The larger #12 Bowies were between $55-65. The #1,2,3 were $25-30, The #14 and 18 were between $32-36.
I could not have afforded such since I was just a kid. Only later did I consider such an expenditure for a knife. Bill Moran used to advertise in places like Gun Digest.... $125 or about that as I recall..... The internet and the forums have changed the handmade knife business to something where a handmade knife is within reach of most adults if they are interested.

I became exposed to the handmade knife "industry" starting about 1990 at the Blade Show and gunshows in the mid to late 80's. Prior to that, my only exposure was ogling my brother-in-law's knives.

Basically, if you want a Randall, get a Randall... otherwise, there are lots of options available in the handmade knife industry these days.
 
Last edited:
Randall was asking $60 in 1965 for the same model. So people have a reference. The larger #12 Bowies were between $55-65. The #1,2,3 were $25-30, The #14 and 18 were between $32-36.
That's really interesting detail to have as a reference. Looking at through that lense, it would seem that proportionally a Randall will set you back about the same percentage of your wage (for serving military (1965 military salaries - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.navycs.com/amp-charts/1965-military-pay-chart.html ))
 
My Randall purchases go from 1979, which is the #1 on top, to a #16 in 1998.. I have a #23, a #14, pictured, and another #16 with saw teeth.

Only one of the knives is high carbon, so all the rest are 440B stainless. All about one were purchased at Randall's in Orlando.

gt6uWuU.jpg


A Special Forces bud of mine, who had three tours in Vietnam said that at one time every Infantry Officer carried a Randall. Choices for good knives was very limited up to the late 1980's. Factory knives were generally carbon steel, or nickel plated carbon steel, and were thin. At least Randall made a thicker knife, something that could take more abuse, without weighing too much. I think the heavy prybar knife trend of today is a reflection of the fact that people don't walk anymore, and their vehicle carries everything. When you have to carry everything with you, or should I say, on you, the weight of objects are evaluated in a different light. The WW2 veterans I knew walked with 90 to 100 lbs of gear, sometimes 20 miles a day, and were so fatigued that they dropped to the ground during rest periods. Sometimes they had to be kicked awake. These guys hated extra weight. I showed a Western Bowie to one, and he said "imagine carrying that!". He had walked up and down hot, steamy, mountains in New Guinea, with his military gear, and would have tossed that Western Bowie in a ditch instead of hauling with him.

I think the Randall was a knife that was tough enough without being too heavy. Randall's designs are all based on that thick spine, and that spine does not make for a good slicing knife. My Model 23 splits more than it slices, so that is a limitation, in my opinion, for the smaller knives. I always liked that Randall knives had handles which fit the human hand. This is still a pet grouse of mine. Handles tend to be sized to look proportionate with the blade. A short blade gets a short handle. Looks great, looks natural, and is totally wrong. Humans seem to have innate biases about proportionality, which in practice, don't work in all applications. My palm did not get shorter with a shorter blade, so these short handles make for an unmanageable (two finger sometimes) and uncomfortable knife. But they look good. And looks are what sells.

The Randall #1 is not a good slicer either. It is very wedgie. Sure they will cut, and they will hold an edge commensurate with the steels and heat treatment. But, prices got ridiculous and new, innovative knife companies came on line, and provided knife patterns that the old knife companies ignored.

I used to carry my #23 out hunting, I beat up the walnut handle and scabbard, used it a few times. But you know, if I am going to lose a knife, I would rather lose a less expensive knife. The market provides really excellent knives today, stuff we never had before, and prices are reasonable. I don't carry any custom knives in the field either.

The original owner, and the owners up to me, never carried this knife anywhere. So what is the purpose of a knife like this if it is never used?

dnXmRJC.jpg


A bud of mine, who had multiple tours in Afghanistan and Iraqi, and places that cannot be named, his philosophy was "throw away knife". He has been blown up before, lost gear, lost a finger jumping out of a MRAP (there was a ring on that finger, ring caught the door opening, finger stayed in vehicle when he hit the ground). When he was killing people, he did not want a knife that was too hard to sharpen in the field with a three inch stone,

z0YSciN.jpg


and he did not want something so expensive that it really hurt if you lost it. What was available in the PX was good enough for his uses. Really expensive field knives are a vanity in today's world. You can find totally functional, outstanding, commercial knives that meet your needs, for a lot less.

My Vietnam Special forces bud, this is one knife he carried, but he said the first one broke its tip cutting saw grass, so he left this one back in the encampment.

QNFu88w.jpg


This is the knife he carried into the field. Because he could slice the bread that came in a C ration can. Bud did say it would create a world of hurt on someone, but I could tell, he would rather shoot you with a fully automatic weapon, than get close enough to stab or slash. And, it just seems stupid to attack someone carrying an AK47 with a knife.

D0tLuC0.jpg


All of my Randalls are good knives, so you want to have a Randall, get a Randall.
Excellent. Thank you so much. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Back
Top