Only Bark river passed knife tests !!!

I was commenting on p2 of the jerzeedevil thread, post #18 by Mike Stewart
"They said under no circumstances did they want any blade coatings--They said they actually intend to cut stuff with the knife."


Maybe they made that determination from these tests?

Looks to be an awesome blade anyone should be proud to carry and enjoy using. Should cut like a mother-in-law's tongue.
 
Okay, I promise this is my last thread-hijacking post, but I've received a couple messages asking me to explain the lanyard thing a wee bit better (apparently "sanding" and "leather" don't automatically go together in everyones' minds), so one last attempt via a string of pictures. Since my Bravo-1 already has its lanyard finished, I'm demonstrating on a large camp knife by Phillip Patton. Given the size of this handle, there wasn't any way to have a one-finger lanyard work for both normal and chopping grips. So, I sized this one around keeping my hand from being able to slip backwards when chopping, since there is more than enough guard there to keep it from slipping forward the rest of the time.

Knife and rawhide:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1244.jpg

Rawhide loop with extra length for overlap:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1245.jpg

Overlap sections sanded to fit:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1247.jpg

Sanded sections fitting together:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1248.jpg

Glue joint:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1253.jpg

Glue joint after sanding:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1254.jpg

Knife in hand, choked back on handle for chopping:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1255.jpg

Knife hanging--being held in place with no fingers gripping, just from tension of ring around finger:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1256.jpg

This isn't to say that the lanyard ring is really tight when I hold it normally, just that there isn't enough slack left in it to go over the butt of the handle when my finger is through it. The harder I pull back trying to make my hand slide off, the harder the leather pulls my finger into the handle.

And last, knife in hand in normal position, lanyard out of the way behind the hand:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1257.jpg


Okay, there ya be, ye few interested parties. :D
 
You could've undid the lanyard on your Bravo-1 and redid it to stay on topic. Or post full-knife pics of your Patton bowie to go further off-topic. :)
 
You could've undid the lanyard on your Bravo-1 and redid it to stay on topic. Or post full-knife pics of your Patton bowie to go further off-topic. :)
Okay, forget I ever said "Phillip Patton"---this is actually my Bravo-1 variant that I created earlier today. I wanted a larger handle, and decided to sculpt a double guard for it as well. I know that what little can be seen of the blade makes it look like a large recurve but that's merely a trick of the light. ;)

And the glue used?
Straight gel-type superglue. I used to use epoxy for them, but the superglue sets fast enough that I don't have to figure out a way to clamp the ends of the thong together. I used to be worried about the strength of superglue for this application, but like I said I have yet to have one come loose on me, including one that I ended up making too small once and had to stretch with alcohol. All that loose nap on the leather gives any glue a lot to hold onto.
 
Busse himself answered this and said NO. But cost and time being a factor might have ruled them out initially.

Many brands were tested from a broad spectrum, take it for what its worth. No one is taking anything away from anyone. Don't get your panties in a wad! ( not you Cobalt, everyone who keeps crying and whining ) It is what it is, I am shocked at the list as I have many examples from the destroyed specimens. The knives tested were from soldier's suggestions.

All this being said, the knife passed a test and is now being issued, a good knife at a VERY fair price. God Bless America and thanks for the cross forum link, come join JerzeeDevil, you won't be disappointed :D :thumbup: :p :cool:

Ron LaBella
 
I just ordered from DLT. I got their "Big Horn Sheep". When I was in the "Corps" in the sixties, there wasn't the varity they have now. I wanted a "Randall", but it was a 2 year wait. I ended up buying a Buck Bowie sheath knife, as it was one of the first in stainless steel.
 
I just ordered from DLT. I got their "Big Horn Sheep". When I was in the "Corps" in the sixties, there wasn't the varity they have now. I wanted a "Randall", but it was a 2 year wait. I ended up buying a Buck Bowie sheath knife, as it was one of the first in stainless steel.

Now Randall is 5+! I am glad you got the Bark River, my friend!
 
I'm getting a laugh outta this stuff in this thread.

These men are elite military, who train and deploy in the harshest environments in the world. They actually live off, and by, their tools and are often required to do so for extended periods. Unlike the 'experts' here in this thread who 'survive' a trip to local grocery store with their black coated 'ninja death blades'. I would take the reviews of Special Forces men on a tool over any internet forum 'expert'.

And a bunch of 'keyboard commandos' in this forum talk about 'scientifical' testing of a knife. What a completely misplaced and rather childish take on this. I guess they have their spectrometers and the like in their 'batcave' to do high level material analysis. Unreal how silly some people on the internet are.

Oh yeah, and the president of a company being proud that elite military men chose his knife over other knives in real world testing? Men who live by their tools, and are more acquainted with harsh environments and tools to survive in them than anyone in this thread or forum. These men would bet their lives on his knife over others, and questioning his pride as somehow illegitimate or shady stuff is 'logical'? What a joke that some here think that somehow ulterior, or not a completely logical and valid thing. Though i will give this Mike guy credit for being intelligent enough not to post about it here on this forum, apparently full of self appointed 'experts', who of course can't make a knife, just lots of 'keyboard expertise'. Yeah that's really a 'logical' thought there, how 'non scientific' a man is to be proud that his actual tool, not a 'ninja death blade', and actual tool was proved and chosen by men who live by their training wits and tools in harsher environments than any here will ever know.

A company that is proud of achievements of their products is up to something? Don't anyone who thinks that a clever point bother going into any entrepreneurial endeavors. You'll fail.

And btw, coated blades are for 'keyboard experts' and 'ninja blade assassins' not actual cutting. I would have thought the 'scientists' and 'experts' here would have known that rather basic knife knowledge. I have to assume that's what was meant by "they actually wanted to cut things". This is news to you experts here? Coatings are a huge negative, very much a detriment, to the cutting ability of any knife. That's why Dozier knives, and Loveless knives, and Nealy knives, and Hattori knives, Fallkniven NL and TK knives, and apparently these Bark River knives, (I don't know the entire line but i've yet to see a coating on one) and etc. don't have coatings. They are made to "actually cut things" and not appeal to 'ninjas' and 'weekend warriors'.

Also, i saw some bad information on the choice of the Beretta as the new sidearm of the military. The new pistol was chosen for NATO ammunition uniformity, logistical reasons. The slide failures of the Beretta happened after the testing process for the most part, and they were related to the use of 'hotter' submachine gun ammo in the pistols. The SIG pistols won in the testing, that was true, and was the first choice. The contract for the military required the winner of the contract to move a factory to the US and produce the pistol here in the states. JP Sauer and sons refused to do this, so the second place pistol was chosen, the Beretta, because they moved a factory here and we now have Beretta USA weapons. This was not some 'personal agenda' or campaign by any senator. The Ruger firearm was not in the top 2.
 
Also, i saw some bad information on the choice of the Beretta as the new sidearm of the military. The new pistol was chosen for NATO ammunition uniformity, logistical reasons.

Not totally accurate, the CALIBER i.e. 9mm was chosen for NATO ammunition uniformity, not the pistol itself.
 
...in harsher environments than any here will ever know.

LOL forgive me--I had forgotten that my harsh environment Alzheimer's kicked in the moment I left active duty. I'll have to contact my cousin in Afghanistan and ask him to remind me what it's like. Of course, I do believe he carries a coated Fallkniven S-1 and I know for a fact that his favorite GI Joe character as a kid was Snake Eyes, so this whole SF routine of his is likely just another "phase" of his true mall ninjaness.

Little tip for ya hot shot--being a soldier (even a "hi-speed" soldier) doesn't give you equipment testing expertise anymore than being a race car driver makes you a master mechanic or being an olympic level shooter makes you a qualified gunsmith. It's true, they can say whether or not one thing fills their needs better than another, but it's also very true that they can be fully capable of picking something because it's "cool". A friend of mine was in a unit that all ordered tactical tomahawks, complete with unit stamp. He sent me a picture; it was a variation on the typical vietnam-type hawk, in that it was fully sharpened on the undersides of both the main head and the spike. I asked him if this didn't make it very likely that one could open up his hand just pulling it out of the belt sheath, to which he replied sure but it was better for grappling if someone was trying to take it away. I then asked the money question: "Have you guys actually had some instruction on how to fight with 'em?" His reply? "No, but c'mon man...they're pretty f#cking sweet!"

And you know what? He WAS a good soldier (a say 'was' because a subsequent injury has since forced him out of service; no it wasn't from the hawk ;) ) and he was highly trained and very capable of performing his duties. None of that made him a dispassionate, wholly-wise, older-than-his-years guru of all things steel who was immune to some racy lines.

Bottom line, if this Marine outfit is happy with the choice they made and it serves their needs well, then great. Actually, I think they made a very good choice, as do many of the other posters in this thread if you actually read it. But believing that a decision is infallible just because it was made by a soldier is more indicative of fanboy idolatry than reality. If all you want in a set of forums about knives (or anything) is tow the line, chant the rhetoric symbiosis then you are indeed in the wrong place. And since also you are so in love with the opinions of those who "actually make knives" I think you would be quite disheartened to learn that many professional knife makers, mastersmiths, etc. have completely differing viewpoints on all sorts of things knife/steel related. What one master of his craft considers to be a sage point can be considered by another master to be pretty much crap.

I'm reminded of my old highschool football coach's similar distrust of "scientific" attitudes on physical fitness and development. He swore up and down that all you needed to do was pound weights and drink milkshakes to be an unstoppable football machine. I mean, he should know, right? He actually played football, and didn't waste his time in school studying pussy stuff like biology and anatomy that all those namby-pamby science boys liked. Of course, the fact that as soon as the flower of youth left him he was left as a pair-shaped near asthmatic with blown knees was completely beside the point.
 
Many brands were tested from a broad spectrum, take it for what its worth. No one is taking anything away from anyone. Don't get your panties in a wad! ( not you Cobalt, everyone who keeps crying and whining ) It is what it is, I am shocked at the list as I have many examples from the destroyed specimens. The knives tested were from soldier's suggestions.

All this being said, the knife passed a test and is now being issued, a good knife at a VERY fair price. God Bless America and thanks for the cross forum link, come join JerzeeDevil, you won't be disappointed :D :thumbup: :p :cool:

Ron LaBella
:p SPAMMER!!:p
 
I'm getting a laugh outta this stuff in this thread.

These men are elite military, who train and deploy in the harshest environments in the world. They actually live off, and by, their tools and are often required to do so for extended periods. Unlike the 'experts' here in this thread who 'survive' a trip to local grocery store with their black coated 'ninja death blades'. I would take the reviews of Special Forces men on a tool over any internet forum 'expert'.

And a bunch of 'keyboard commandos' in this forum talk about 'scientifical' testing of a knife. What a completely misplaced and rather childish take on this. I guess they have their spectrometers and the like in their 'batcave' to do high level material analysis. Unreal how silly some people on the internet are.

Oh yeah, and the president of a company being proud that elite military men chose his knife over other knives in real world testing? Men who live by their tools, and are more acquainted with harsh environments and tools to survive in them than anyone in this thread or forum. These men would bet their lives on his knife over others, and questioning his pride as somehow illegitimate or shady stuff is 'logical'? What a joke that some here think that somehow ulterior, or not a completely logical and valid thing. Though i will give this Mike guy credit for being intelligent enough not to post about it here on this forum, apparently full of self appointed 'experts', who of course can't make a knife, just lots of 'keyboard expertise'. Yeah that's really a 'logical' thought there, how 'non scientific' a man is to be proud that his actual tool, not a 'ninja death blade', and actual tool was proved and chosen by men who live by their training wits and tools in harsher environments than any here will ever know.

A company that is proud of achievements of their products is up to something? Don't anyone who thinks that a clever point bother going into any entrepreneurial endeavors. You'll fail.

And btw, coated blades are for 'keyboard experts' and 'ninja blade assassins' not actual cutting. I would have thought the 'scientists' and 'experts' here would have known that rather basic knife knowledge. I have to assume that's what was meant by "they actually wanted to cut things". This is news to you experts here? Coatings are a huge negative, very much a detriment, to the cutting ability of any knife. That's why Dozier knives, and Loveless knives, and Nealy knives, and Hattori knives, Fallkniven NL and TK knives, and apparently these Bark River knives, (I don't know the entire line but i've yet to see a coating on one) and etc. don't have coatings. They are made to "actually cut things" and not appeal to 'ninjas' and 'weekend warriors'.

Also, i saw some bad information on the choice of the Beretta as the new sidearm of the military. The new pistol was chosen for NATO ammunition uniformity, logistical reasons. The slide failures of the Beretta happened after the testing process for the most part, and they were related to the use of 'hotter' submachine gun ammo in the pistols. The SIG pistols won in the testing, that was true, and was the first choice. The contract for the military required the winner of the contract to move a factory to the US and produce the pistol here in the states. JP Sauer and sons refused to do this, so the second place pistol was chosen, the Beretta, because they moved a factory here and we now have Beretta USA weapons. This was not some 'personal agenda' or campaign by any senator. The Ruger firearm was not in the top 2.

ya, we all suck. we should shut up. thanks for letting us know
how sad our lives are. thanks for the pitty.
I will apologise for everyone here who tries to be logical
and 'scientific' since it's better to go with how you feel
about something then dealing with reality. thanks again!

I bow down to you sir. You have bested us all.
We are all mall ninjas and weekend warriors. I apolgise once more.

Oh... and I think the BR knife rocks. I just think it's
ridiculous for someone to come onto a forum and call everyone
stupid for debating about something. That's why the forum is
here in the first place.
 
And a bunch of 'keyboard commandos' in this forum talk about 'scientifical' testing of a knife.

And btw, coated blades are for 'keyboard experts' and 'ninja blade assassins' not actual cutting.

LOL!:D Now that's a funny image, isn't it? The "scientifical, keyboard commando"! For some reason I just can't picture "keyboard commandos" doing "scientific tests" on knives. The people on this forum who actually do perform scientific tests on their knives generally do not fancy "ninja-styled" cutlery.

I think you're full of it, but your post was entertaining.:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
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