Only Bark river passed knife tests !!!

Bark River sold a few knives to soldiers because the soldiers wanted them, but the circumstances are debated and reportiing it is called crass commercialism. Cold Steel tests them on a free CD, then gets scorned as being hokey. Cliff tests knives then is criticized for being too technical. CATRA tests are viewed by some as not practical and too narrow. Others don't test at all which goes without comment because there is nothing to dispute. Another guy tests to destruction on video but it is derided as pointless destruction. Sheesh... Why not take them for what they are worth without sliding into derisive or abusive invectives? I spent too many years in work that swirled in controversy, maneuvering, inuendo, and false offense. Much of the same here just causes me to feel weary and go somewhere else until it wears off, then return with fresh hope that I will find little gems of information. Here's hoping. Regards, ss.
 
I can't believe I just read this whole rotten thread.
My Gameskeeper arrived last week. It seems like an excellent all-around hunting knife. I like the ADDED ON finger guard. I like the riccasso. If it had a tapered tang it would even be elegant, but that was not BRKT's purpose. I like it better than the Bravo. The Marines got what they wanted, and so did I.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Unbelievable how disconnected from reality an "expert" can be.
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Mr, Esav,

Thank You.

I had to give that response a 5 star Rating.

That fellow got slapped down by Mr. Stewart and by Mr. Gingridge (Ranger Knives owner) for trying to say that stuff on the Ranger Forum .

It is obvious that Mr. Stewart and the Recon Marines were able to read Mr. Moodino's Mind because the Bravo-1 was designed over a year before Mr. Moodino's Outdoors knife.

Thanks for the Comment,

Jim
 
The saddest aspect of this contentious thread is that the Bravo-1 will succeed as much because there is already a community of satisfied customers ready to accept it, as because of the quality that grew out of its history.

The story of its development is a family story, told around the dinner table by members of the clan. Anyone else showing up demanding to be convinced just missed the point. You have to convince yourself, by using the knives, not by poring over technical data and statistical analyses.

As far as who tested what or who else made a knife like it, I can match the shape of that blade against a puukko or two or three around my house. It is an old, basic design, refined by centuries of use, and the trick to making a new knife today is to take the best of the old designs and decide on the size of it, the materials, and the manufacturing and distribution to receptive customers.
 
I never said anyone stole anything from me. A stone age man was the first knife designer- every other knife designer evolved thier's from that first Mother of all Knives a crude axe head, unless you believe in Knive Creationism. I could care less about the forum knife 'clan's' make-believe games. I know that I can visit the PTO during my lunch break and study authentic patents and copyrights- no hubris included. I know that Mike was a bit ticked off when I posted my Cleaver designs in KnifeForums.com a while back, I had no clue he was at all interested in the Outdoorsman, which by the way is merely a convergence of several other knives that I liked. The hilarity of this is that anyone thinks they designed anything new here. Not much about most of the knives similar to the Bravo-1, Outdoorsman, CS Outdoorsman, Fallkniven Forest, Becker Crewman or the mother of all 'Bowies' Yes, THE BOWIE itself ...is particularly innovative. I made a simple and true remark, that since my posting of the Outdoorsman's drawing preceded anything that I'd and 'Bravo-1 was sight unseen' it's reasonable to assume that some cues were borrowed- no freaking deal really. I still stand by that- no matter what the 'Clan' has adjudicated. Where not in Stone Age Ireland here you see? This isn't Stonehenge .
So who bloody cares? It's the phoney 'testing' claims that get my ire. Too much snake oil on sale all the time in these forums :D
I'm sure I'll have time to pursue the test claims later and bill them to my 'Due Diligence' fund.For now- just have time for this last post!
Scottz said:
Moodino, you've already been slapped down on the other forum for claims that your design was stolen, even though your knife was designed AFTER the Bravo.....get over it. Or are you saying that some psychic stole the design out of your thoughts?
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biogon said:
What is your "tiny-lanyard"?
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http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1237.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1239.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/t1mpani/IMG_1241.jpg

Here you go--simplicity itself. In the last picture I am using my thumb to pull against the front of the handle scale, which is pulling my little finger away from the others. Doesn't look like much seperation but that's because the lanyard is pulling so close to the hand. If it went much farther the joint's grip on the finger would be tenuous to say the least. I'd stop pushing long before that happened, though. ;) This is as far as my hand can go forward on the handle in a hammer grip. In a saber grip, where the second and first joint of the fingers would be doing the pushing, there would be possibility of blade overlap, but in that grip the thumb would also be pushing on the little ramp.
 
Esav,
You must have edited it real quick. I didn't even see it. Good on you for deciding to take the higher road. Not many people (myself included most of the time) are willing to do that these days.:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
Moodino said:
Ah shoot! Why not send it as a PM? you could still derive some satisfaction from doing so. My ego is bulletproof- so certainly I wouldn't take offense.:D
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Which makes you by definition a TROLL. Because that is were the name originated: "trolling for negative response and strive".

DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
 
Minjin said:
Perhaps you guys have heard of the Freedom of Information Act? Unless the information falls into one of nine exemptions and three exclusions, they MUST release the information.

Here is the person you want to contact:

Teresa (Tracy) D. Ross
FOIA/PA Coordinator
Headquarters, U.S. Marine Corps [CMC (ARSF)]
2 Navy Annex
Washington, D.C. 20380-1775
telephone number: (703) 614-4008/3685
fax number: (703) 614-6287
e-mail address: rosstd@hqmc.usmc.mil

Sorry guys for introducing facts to your beatdown...;)
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Actually the freedom of information act only allows you to look into things that may have an affect on your personal life. If anything is classified at a high enough level it can be kept out of your hands and rightly so. So if the testing protocal was classified secret, no amount of asking will ever get them to give you the info.






Moodino said:
I've done plenty of work with the Government and so here's the scoop on so-called testing.
1) The Government tests NOTHING themselves. Yes, Soldiers and other Personell are used as test SUBJECTS but the testing in earnest is actually performed by.....
2) Outsourced contractors! That's right, testing is performed by professional testors that construct the test plans, recruit the test subjects, plan & organize the test runs, proctor, capture /document and interpret the resulting data. Then, these contractors facilitate debriefing sessions and enter all the resulting data into reports that are submitted to the sponsoring agency.

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Actually, neither item 1 or 2 is true. The Gov does test. Items that are tested by outsourced individuals is standard issue equipment like the K-bar and Sog Seal 2000. Any unit that is willing to do a group buy will submit a design to several knifemakers and they will inturn make proto's for the unit to test. Once the item has been tested and found worthy, it will go into full production. There are many companies that make these types of knives for specific units. Missions Knives and Busse knives are two that come to mind easily. There were tested by the users/requestors themselves.

The Fact that Bark River had their knives tested by a unit and passed is not surprising. The unit probably had several req's and limitations including cost, size, mfg. time, etc. This probably disqualified several known makes who are too busy with orders to submit a knife for testing and production.

However, this does nt take away from M.Stewarts fine product. Even if the competition was Falkniven and some other quality knifemakers,, Bark River makes a fine product out of an excellent steel. M.Stewart knows how to H.T. a knife well and his fit, finish and final edge are top notch. No surprise that at $200 his knife was picked.:thumbup:
 
pitdog said:
Just came across this thread on another forum.....has anybody got any insider info and know what other makes of knives were in the tests ?

http://jerzeedevil.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19889
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awesome linkage!

cjpgeyer said:
It seems this group has a disdain for coated blades, so I doubt any coated blades were in the test.
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I know what was tested, some were coated

Cliff Stamp said:
The same promotional nonsense has been said about many other blades. The SOG SEAL 2000 for example was selected in one such test. If you want a meaningful report and not hype then you need what was done and what was the measurement criteria.

-Cliff
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Cliff, you would cry if you knew ;)

Very cool thread minus the small amount of drama!:D :thumbup:
 
t1mpani said:
Here you go--simplicity itself.
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Oh ho! I like it a lot!

I need to try that ASAP.

So... it looks like you used paracord, and the two ends are attached by melting them together? I suppose any bit of string could be used and attached using a square knot but yours looks so elegant.

Thanks, t1mpani!

-jon

PS:

im in ur threadz
deraling ur contenshunz

lolz.
 
Actually, that is is a strand of rawhide--I find that it does much better against the sharp metal edges of the lanyard hole liners. Generally what I do is decide what length I need to make the loop to be, and then add 1/2" or 3/4". I sand the two ends of the rawhide down at simliar angles so that when they come together one on top of the other, it looks like one unbroken (or joint-less) ring, and then glue it. This provides a lot more surface area than just gluing the square ends together. Wet both ends with superglue, squeeze 'em together (making sure you've already put the lanyard through the lanyard hole ;) ) and there you go! Personally, I like to cover the whole joint with glue--not just on the bearing surfaces but also the sides and top/bottom. Once it's all dry I use a nail file to sand it all smooth, but that way there is no little lip in the joint that can catch on the liner and start a split. I used to use epoxy instead of superglue, but made the switch a few years ago for simplicity's sake, and I've yet to have one break or turn loose on me. :) Usually I rotate the thing so that the glued joint is inside the handle, just so that you don't have this little stiff section up against your finger.

You can get spools of rawhide from most hobby stores--I think I'm still on my original spool, and I've done a whole slew of these.
 
I hate to high jack the tread but my Bark River Bravo-1 came today and I love it.Perfect all around knife for about everything.
 
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