Ontario BlackBird broke..........

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CRKS said:
I think this is a case of using a good knife for the wrong job.
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I agree that the SK5 is a good knife that was used for the wrong job. Problem is, the designer of the knife said that it COULD be used for the wrong job. As I see it, that's the problem in a nutshell.
 
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I use to batton when camping just for fun. I had absolutely zero real reason to be doing so. I always just felt that a broken knife was a random number of spine whacks away.

My Ontario just does cutting chores now. Otoh my dad gave me that knife and he's gone now so maybe that has something to do with it as well.

The op has stated that he wasn't going nuts trying to get through that log. I believe him. Ontario should help him out. You SHOULD be able to do the same thing again without the replacement blade breaking, but I wouldn't try it!
 
killgar said:
I'm curious about two things-

1. I wonder if Ontario will replace the knife. In particular, would they replace it if they knew how it was broken (seeing that picture)?

2. Do the members here think that Ontario should replace the knife?

Even if a knife company says that their knife is suitable for splitting wood, isn't it only fair for them to place a limit on what constitutes "wood splitting?

If, for example, a person tries to split the frozen stump from a 100 year old oak tree by hammering on the knife with a baseball bat, some might call that "batonning", but should the knife maker be required to replace the knife when it breaks just because they said it was suitable for "wood splitting"?

I don't imagine Ontario or any other company can specifically explain exactly what constitutes acceptable "wood splitting" in their waranty. Are they suppose to address every type of wood, green or seasoned, frozen or unfrozen, the size of the piece of wood, whether or not there are knots in it, what an acceptable tool is to strike the knife with, from what angle the knife must be struck, etc, etc.

Personally, I'd say chaulk that knife up as a loss and look upon it as a learning experience. I wouldn't hold Ontario responsible.
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I put a link to this thread on Ontario's Facebook page, they responded and said they would replace it.
 
bld522 said:
I agree that the SK5 is a good knife that was used for the wrong job. Problem is, the designer of the knife said that it COULD be used for the wrong job. As I see it, that's the problem in a nutshell.
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Wait - was I playing L4D2 with you the other day ? On the Hard Rain map ?

Thought I recognised that avatar !

OT sorry.
 
HardTripper said:
I put a link to this thread on Ontario's Facebook page, they responded and said they would replace it.
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Damn, I was really hoping people stopped posting on the thread. all relevant info has been said.


Yes, Ontario told me that they would replace it, waiting to get it in the mail. What the issue was based on what I was told by Den Pirrone that the knife had a hair line fracture from what sounded like before I got it. He said it was the first one he had ever scene. I will make a post on it after I get the blade and test it out again.
 
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NeedItCheaper said:

Damn, I was really hoping people stopped posting on the thread. all relevant info has been said.


Yes, Ontario told me that they would replace it, waiting to get it in the mail. What the issue was based on what I was told by Den Pirrone that the knife had a hair line fracture from what sounded like before I got it. He said it was the first one he had ever scene. I will make a post on it after I get the blade and test it out again.
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NeedItCheaper said:

Damn, I was really hoping people stopped posting on the thread. all relevant info has been said.


Yes, Ontario told me that they would replace it, waiting to get it in the mail. What the issue was based on what I was told by Den Pirrone that the knife had a hair line fracture from what sounded like before I got it. He said it was the first one he had ever scene. I will make a post on it after I get the blade and test it out again.
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I hate to be the one to kick a dead horse, but......

I find that statement hard to believe with out having Dan from Ontario analyze the blade in question. The statement (if in fact he said it that way) Den made may have been an off the cuff talking point often as to not upset the customer.
 
Nixelplix said:
You can always buy a gold membership and close your own thread!
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LMAO, I love it. Never gonna happen. But I still love it.




CRKS said:
I hate to be the one to kick a dead horse, but......

I find that statement hard to believe with out having Dan from Ontario analyze the blade in question. The statement (if in fact he said it that way) Den made may have been an off the cuff talking point often as to not upset the customer.
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:jerkit:
 
Dorito Monk said:
Yeah, batonning with a knife isn't the brightest idea, but if the manufacturer said that you can baton with it, you should be able to baton with it and be covered. Did you contact them at all before posting this, to see about getting a replacement or a refund?
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I would not ever buy a heavily built fixed blade that the maker said not to baton with. I batoned this Bushman with a sledge hammer through a heavy 3/4 inch plywood with no problem. This is definitely abuse because of the 10lb sledge, but if it was a wood baton, it would not be. The bushman handled it no problem.

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kreole said:
IMO at least, doing it properly is implicit in stating it at all. When a car is advertised as safe, they don't specify it isn't true if you drive it off a cliff and the like; driving normally/correctly is implicit. If a food is advertised as healthy, they don't specify that eating 50 pounds of it per day voids that characterization; eating normally is implicit....etc., etc. Another way to say this is batoning incorrectly isn't truly batoning--but rather just whacking a knife with a stick.
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Good post, I agree. The OP has not said what exactly he did in the seconds immediately before the blade broke. Hitting the handle with the baton stick while the blade was buried in that log could well have been what broke it. Up, down, or especially sideways would do the trick. Yanking it laterally by hand could also do it, but my first guess is a handle strike with the baton stick.

I've never batonned a knife but I've split enough wood to have a developed sense of what will and won't work. There is just no substitute for experience plus paying attention. Experience alone is not enough, as it is possible to repeat an error many times without any corresponding gain in wisdom.
 
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