Order of KAI Official Hang Out; Good Times & Joyous Knives

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Ugghhh dealing with a trade gone wrong. Don't you love when someone on the forum sells you something and tells you it's something it's not and then you trade it to someone and now your the one who looks bad? This guy is being very unreasonable about the whole thing. Let's hope it doesn't get ugly. I think I'm done trading in the exchange unless I've done business with the person before.
 
xICEMANx said:
Ugghhh dealing with a trade gone wrong. Don't you love when someone on the forum sells you something and tells you it's something it's not and then you trade it to someone and now your the one who looks bad? This guy is being very unreasonable about the whole thing. Let's hope it doesn't get ugly. I think I'm done trading in the exchange unless I've done business with the person before.
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I don't think it's allowed here, but what we used to do at the paintball forum I was a mod at, was to have either mods or other trusted members offer escrow services for high stakes trades. With paintball guns, you've got equipment breaking $1,500-2,000 for one gun, and since they're mechanical, the operation and condition were things to look at. It seems that's the case with some knives as well. The people would both send their trade item to the escrow person, and they would inspect each one. Then report on it, take photos and videos if wanted, and confirm the condition. Then if all was fine, they would send the items to their new owners and the trade would be complete. Usually they charged a bit for this, something like $20-30 plus the cost of paintballs to make sure the guns worked as described.

I think that if the knife is expensive or rare enough, that should be an option.

By the way, I lost 10 pounds so far on Weight Watchers. :)
 
xICEMANx said:
Ugghhh dealing with a trade gone wrong. Don't you love when someone on the forum sells you something and tells you it's something it's not and then you trade it to someone and now your the one who looks bad? This guy is being very unreasonable about the whole thing. Let's hope it doesn't get ugly. I think I'm done trading in the exchange unless I've done business with the person before.
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Why didn't you get a refund the first time? To much of a hassle? What's the guy doing?
 
KnottyEagle said:
Why didn't you get a refund the first time? To much of a hassle? What's the guy doing?
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Here's what happened. I bougt a set of scales from a guy on the exchange for my para 2. He said they where Grismo scales. They looked like his and where top quality so I figured he was telling the truth. Time goes on, I trade the para 2 to a guy. He gets the knife, inspects it, says everything is cool. I then proceed to carry the SR1 I got in trade. He emails me later saying that forum members are telling him they aren't Grismo scales. He found this out when he tried to sell the knife for a large profit and someone called him on it. Turns out the scales are sold at Blade HQ and made by someone else. Still $80 scales. The guy is flipping out on me and wants to reverse the trade. I apolgize profusily saying I trusted the other member and I'm sorry, I'll ship your knife back.

The thing that is killing me is he is acting like I tried to rip him off and he wants his knife back in "new condition". I told him after I got his email saying everything was cool I carried the knife and cut a piece of fruit with it. He had agreed to ship my Para 2 back after he got my tracking number. That was fine with me. Then he sent me a nasty email and said he won't ship back my knife until he receives and inspects the SR1. I am not cool with that. How do I know I'm even going to get mine back? If he had been more civil through this I would trust him but I really don't. I printed the label this morning and sent him the tracking number, no repsponse yet.
 
Dude weight watchers is terrible for you man. I know u lost weight but there are simpler healthier ways, without exercise....
 
KnottyEagle said:
Good job :thumbup:! I've lost 5 since baseball practice started.
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Thank you, and congrats yourself sir.

xICEMANx said:
Here's what happened. I bougt a set of scales from a guy on the exchange for my para 2. He said they where Grismo scales. They looked like his and where top quality so I figured he was telling the truth. Time goes on, I trade the para 2 to a guy. He gets the knife, inspects it, says everything is cool. I then proceed to carry the SR1 I got in trade. He emails me later saying that forum members are telling him they aren't Grismo scales. He found this out when he tried to sell the knife for a large profit and someone called him on it. Turns out the scales are sold at Blade HQ and made by someone else. Still $80 scales. The guy is flipping out on me and wants to reverse the trade. I apolgize profusily saying I trusted the other member and I'm sorry, I'll ship your knife back.

The thing that is killing me is he is acting like I tried to rip him off and he wants his knife back in "new condition". I told him after I got his email saying everything was cool I carried the knife and cut a piece of fruit with it. He had agreed to ship my Para 2 back after he got my tracking number. That was fine with me. Then he sent me a nasty email and said he won't ship back my knife until he receives and inspects the SR1. I am not cool with that. How do I know I'm even going to get mine back? If he had been more civil through this I would trust him but I really don't. I printed the label this morning and sent him the tracking number, no repsponse yet.
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Wow. I really dislike people sometimes. This goes into my "cover your ass" motto. As soon as the guy started getting pissy, you should proceed with extreme caution. Too much of this "I need to make sure this is good" crap going on that I've been seeing with trades. Unless you know them well, assume they're liars and proceed with caution. Personally, I wouldn't have sent back anything first. He's the one with the problem? Let him return the knife and then he can get his back. People are quick to change their mind and act all powerful when they know that the ball is in their court. Screw that, I'm not so quick to trust people unless I know them well enough.

Remember, this whole "OMG We're A knife COMMUNITY!!!!" is just hogwash nonsense. The reality is that you've got people like this who will weasel on a trade, and then go and list a 0777 for twice the price under the guise of "oh uh...I realized it was too big and too nice to carry...but only the minute it arrived in the mail...$900 for my forum buddies!!!!" Yeah...community...

greeenie said:
Dude weight watchers is terrible for you man. I know u lost weight but there are simpler healthier ways, without exercise....
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No it's not. Where'd you get that idea? I eat the same food I've always eaten, just a bit less of it and I'm not downing a box of Twinkies a day out of boredom. My wife and I still cook, go out to eat with friends, etc. We just have a simpler, more concrete way of controlling it and having some discipline. I've always gone to the gym with my sister, since she's a fitness instructor and I'm lucky to have her as a trainer. I can lift quite a bit, and I'm pretty athletic to keep up with playing paintball often, but my eating was out of control. Now it's not, and I feel great eating pretty much what I've always eaten.
 
sticktodrum said:
Thank you, and congrats yourself sir.



Wow. I really dislike people sometimes. This goes into my "cover your ass" motto. As soon as the guy started getting pissy, you should proceed with extreme caution. Too much of this "I need to make sure this is good" crap going on that I've been seeing with trades. Unless you know them well, assume they're liars and proceed with caution. Personally, I wouldn't have sent back anything first. He's the one with the problem? Let him return the knife and then he can get his back. People are quick to change their mind and act all powerful when they know that the ball is in their court. Screw that, I'm not so quick to trust people unless I know them well enough.

Remember, this whole "OMG We're A knife COMMUNITY!!!!" is just hogwash nonsense. The reality is that you've got people like this who will weasel on a trade, and then go and list a 0777 for twice the price under the guise of "oh uh...I realized it was too big and too nice to carry...but only the minute it arrived in the mail...$900 for my forum buddies!!!!" Yeah...community...



No it's not. Where'd you get that idea? I eat the same food I've always eaten, just a bit less of it and I'm not downing a box of Twinkies a day out of boredom. My wife and I still cook, go out to eat with friends, etc. We just have a simpler, more concrete way of controlling it and having some discipline. I've always gone to the gym with my sister, since she's a fitness instructor and I'm lucky to have her as a trainer. I can lift quite a bit, and I'm pretty athletic to keep up with playing paintball often, but my eating was out of control. Now it's not, and I feel great eating pretty much what I've always eaten.
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Funny he did bring up the knife community comment. I haven't shipped anything yet, and I'm going to hold onto the label until I receive his tracking info. He has alot of positive feedback but the way he's treated me makes me worry some.

Good job on the weight loss. I've done weight watchers before and IMO it works great. It's basically just portion control or calorie counting. I'm doing the myfitness pal app on my phone and been going to the gym at work about 4 times a week. I've dropped 10 pounds myself. I think I've hit a plateu as they say so I need to switch it up some.
 
That's horrible Ice. I don't know how you're tolerating him, I know I wouldn't be able to. I hope you get it sorted out and everyones happen, or at least happier.
 
sticktodrum said:
No it's not. Where'd you get that idea? I eat the same food I've always eaten, just a bit less of it and I'm not downing a box of Twinkies a day out of boredom. My wife and I still cook, go out to eat with friends, etc. We just have a simpler, more concrete way of controlling it and having some discipline. I've always gone to the gym with my sister, since she's a fitness instructor and I'm lucky to have her as a trainer. I can lift quite a bit, and I'm pretty athletic to keep up with playing paintball often, but my eating was out of control. Now it's not, and I feel great eating pretty much what I've always eaten.
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Keep convincing yourself of that. Cancer rates are at an all time high, GMO foods are at an all time high, as is heart disease and sodium intake. Keep thinking its fatty foods, and calories that are unhealthy. My wife and i have done a significant amount of research into food, and what goes into producing it. Americans are fat because our diet sucks, which includes things like "tv dinners" and weight watchers type programs. IF a food has been genetically modified, to yeild more, be resistant to more and be less work, how good can it really be for you. Two prime examples are wheat and corn, which are overeaten to a massive degree by people today. Think about this, if the world suddenly collapsed, government, farms, etc. What would you be eating suddenly? Not corn and wheat or sugar, but meat, fruits and vegetables. Suddenly sugar and grains would be a much smaller part of your daily diet and intake, and would be replace by vegetables and meats, which is what your body has been built for. Evolutionarily speaking, grains are not designed to be consumed and digested. A wheat plant, if you ate it from a field, would yield you almost no nutrition, and you would excrete the seeds, so that the plant might grow again. Im not saying you cant lose weight from doing what you are doing, but its NOT healthy to eat processed foods, including, but not limited to, tv dinners. Read some things about paleo diets, or even paleo thinking and you might be apt to change your opinion.

Last year, my wife was diagnosed with hashimoto's, which is an immuno type disease, which effects her thyroid. Over the course of said time, we have gone "gluten free". To her, its a necessity, to me, its just a thing that helped me lose 30 lbs, drop blood pressure and helped with my over feeling and health, IMO. Take this as you will, and i wont harp
 
Good luck Ice. Maybe you could talk to Chet about it, he just went through the same type of thing not too long ago.

Oh and I just ordered some carbon fiber!!!
 
xICEMANx said:
Funny he did bring up the knife community comment. I haven't shipped anything yet, and I'm going to hold onto the label until I receive his tracking info. He has alot of positive feedback but the way he's treated me makes me worry some.

Good job on the weight loss. I've done weight watchers before and IMO it works great. It's basically just portion control or calorie counting. I'm doing the myfitness pal app on my phone and been going to the gym at work about 4 times a week. I've dropped 10 pounds myself. I think I've hit a plateu as they say so I need to switch it up some.
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Oh good, I thought you sent it out... So he actually said that? Wow. at that point, I'd just go "community? Yeah go f*** yourself pal." Don't pull that kind of community crap, that's insulting. Point him to the price gougers, that's what I'd do. Say "is this that community you're talking about?" A community doesn't treat people like that, they look out for one another and just do their best to help. I hate to get all sentimental, but a community is something you actually form through interaction, common interest, and a feeling of solidarity. It's not automatic. Just because someone likes knives doesn't make him part of a community.

I remember I listed a Para2 on the Exchange for $130, and I actually got an email from some random schmuck saying I was a disgusting person for trying to scam people out of money and gauging the price or whatever because I was selling it for so much money. He said I was taking advantage of the community. Imagine, especially now, how infuriating that is to read from some random jerkstore. To hear it from some guy who wants his knife back in new condition? What is wrong with people?
 
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