OT At least he didn't use a knife too!

So if someone were born on a cruise ship in the midle of the Atlantic, they would be Atlantian?


HMMMMMMMMMM....I think I hear my mother calling! :footinmou :D

I reread my first post and the funny thing is, you didn't ask why it would make a difference if he was an American or not. I didn't make that clear at all. Most immigrants don't hunt for whatever reason.

So let me get back to the beginning and save hard feelings. My comment was not meant to offend anyone. I thought I might take a little heat from some people about my generalization of immigrants that do not hunt, but I didn't expect it about syntax over what to call them.
If he wants to call himself an American....fine. We have African Americans (who were born her) Irish Americans (who were Born here) Italian Americans (who were Born Here), Native Americans (Who were born here and may well be the only group really entitled to call themselves Americans), Etc, Etc.

So anyway....I'll go back and edit that part out.
 
As a foriegn born naturalized citizen, Arnold cannot be president. By the time a constitutional ammendment could be passed and ratified, he would be too old. These ammendments are not easy to get through the required 35 state ratifications.
 
peter nap said:
I reread my first post and the funny thing is, you didn't ask why it would make a difference if he was an American or not. I didn't make that clear at all. Most immigrants don't hunt for whatever reason.
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I'm a native born American of Chinese descent. I spent much of my youth hunting and fishing. I think it's in my blood. But let me digress a bit on a funny story...

I was a party the other night and the conversation centered around this Asian couple who moved to El Dorado Hills. They made comments about how they walk into the place and all conversation stops and people look at them because the folks aren't used to Asians. Anyways they then talk about Ukiah.

I say, "I know Ukiah very well! Do you know Boonville? I used to hunt for deer and pig there all the time when I was a kid."

They were shocked, "Weren't you afraid of the rednecks out there?"

I answered pretty logically, "I never felt any racism from anyone there. Then again...we all had guns, so maybe that kept people on their best behavior." :D
 
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That's odd. Must be a location thing because here, they are great water people. Love to fish and crab but I can't remember seeing more than two or three hunting.
 
peter nap said:
That's odd. Must be a location thing because here, they are great water people. Love to fish and crab but I can't remember seeing more than two or three hunting.
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Could be.
 
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BTW, sorry to hijack your thread.

No problem Alvin. It was OT anyway. I'm not sure we cleared anything up except maybe I'm not as much of a bigot as you thought....but if the worst thing people argue about are semantics, life would be fairly enjoyable.

In the meantime, I'm working on complicated issues. I'm trying to find a picture of John Johnson's Bowie. Got one of him, his rifle, his pistol but not the Bowie yet.
He had a Colt Walker and matching Bowie, both handled in Rosewood, that were given him and I want to copy them.
 
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I'm not sure we cleared anything up except maybe I'm not as much of a bigot as you thought.
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Oh I never thought you were much of a bigot. I wouldn't have wasted my time if I did because it would have been futile anyway. :)
 
Peter is not a bigot,he hates everybody equally. (just kidding Peter)
Peter's statement about location is very true.Go to Miami and you think the world is Latino,go to Idaho and you think it is all white.[back in 1967 I met a girl in Idaho who had never seen a black person,I introduced her to Sir Julian (yeah,the "Love is Blue" guy),from Trinidad,and she was amazed that he was just like anyone else.It all depends on what you see everyday.I'm sure it has changed some by now.]As far as Asians hunting,if there are few Asians around you,you probably don't see many hunting either.
 
I heard the nutcase was from Laos. He was real familiar with his rifle, and probably wasn't out there to hunt deer in the first place. It's too bad someone didn't shoot him. Snipers forward!
 
That's what amazes me John. I can understand the first two being shot, but a total of 7 armed men.

I wasn't there so it could have been a lot different than I imagine. I just hate to see hunting and hunters get a black eye that hundreds of thousands of hunters, don't deserve.
 
Why am I not surprised this happened in Wisconsin? I bowhunted deer for a number of years up there, but wouldn't ever consider going out for rifle. There are way too many 2-day-a-year hunters up there, many, many from out of state. The opening 30 minutes of the season sounds like a battle scene. It is way too common for those on their "big weekend" to make certain and get way drunk around the campfire the night before, stagger to a stand hungover if not still drunk, and haul a 5th along with for breakfast. Anything and everything gets shot, including people. Itchy trigger fingers, way too many more interested in "getting their gun off" than hunting.

I personally found it repugnant. Totally against the hunting ethic.

Is it the same all over or is Wisconsin a fluke because it draws so many morons from non-rifle states like Illinois??
 
The way I understood what happened as stated on another form was. The shooter was hunting on public ground, got lost and wondered in on private ground but still throught he was on public. When the first 2 guys approached him, they throught he was one of their hunting party, when they saw differently they told him he was on private property and had to leave, the shooter got mad and said he had just as much right to hunt in there as anyone else(still thinking he was on public ground). He got down and started walking away, fiddling with his scope, then turned and shot the first 2. One of them called the hunting cabin and said he had been shot and needed help, that's when the others came running to help, I think they were unarmed, thinking it was an accident and coming to rescue their hunting buddy. Thats when they ran into the shooter and he opened up on them.
The shooter then walked off and still being lost and out of ammo found 2 other hunters and they, not knowing what had happened helped him find his way out, thats when a law officer seen his tag on his back and reconigized it as the one they were looking for.

Truly a terrible tragedy for all the victims families involved and the hunting community all over this country. It is ashame he wasn't shot dead on the spot, but hopefully he at least will rot in jail if he doesn't get the chair.
 
peter nap said:
That's what amazes me John. I can understand the first two being shot, but a total of 7 armed men.
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I read another article that says the shooter fought against the communists in Laos and he is also a U.S. Army veteren, so obviously he had combat experience. They say he removed the scope before he started shooting....so he prepared for a close range fire fight. I also found it unbelieveable that one guy can kill 7 armed hunters until I read that he's a combat vet.
 
Read the details again, every source I read made it out more like 7 unarmed hunters (think there was one woman shot, and maybe one kid) and it was more of an ambush. He surprised the first two and shot them, then the rest came running in to help the injured unaware that he was there and armed.
 
Now he's saying they shot first.

He's got an arrest record: "Minneapolis police said they arrested Chai Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved a gun and threatened to kill his wife."

Scary.
 
He doesn't sound like a hunter to me. More like a total a--hole that needs a bullet in his head.
Scott
 
This is a good case in point....Here in Va, it has always been illegal to carry a firearm during bow season and to carry a handgun during muzzle loader season.
Under a lot of pressure from VCDL and some of the other pro gun groups, the General Assembly changed the law last year. CCW holders can now carry a firearm during both. I have always done it but I keep it in my pack. The way I hunt I never see a game warden and certainly have never been searched by one.

Sad when a hunter has to carry a city gun with him! As a matter of fact, this entire situation is sad.
 
Sad sign of the times, Don. Goes along with fans and basketball players brawling and mothers cutting the arms off their child two months after she was cleared as "cured" of post-partum depression. Too many people, too much stress, too much gratuitous violence. "Interesting times" indeed.

We were talking the other night, wondering how much the tension of being at war filters into our subconscious.
 
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