OT: Death Of Haagen Daz

[shappa]

Josh, that is in my neighborhood! I go past it every time I go to Eureka. If you stop by they might even be making the curd and you can watch.
Great apple cider can be had a mile from my house at Clendenens cider works (sp)...again if you time it right you can watch them make it.
We grow our own apples, tomatoes...I also grow the basil and some of the herbs used in the rest. that I work at. Fresh picked strawberries are a mile away at the field where the Humong family grows them. Fresh salmon, halibut, perch, clams...go catch them... 10 minutes away.
A good burger...I'll grind the meat my self from New York strips and Top Sirloin and Filet Mignon scraps at work.
Mushrooms (boletas I think) are harvested in the fall. They get huge...4-5 pound clusters. We dry they and add them to the ravioli sauce at work.

I won't get into a my state is better than your's debate...each state has it's flaws...


Jeez it took me forever to break 1000 posts

 

[munk]

It took six years to break a thousand posts?
I wish I had your restraint.


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Hey ferrous, speaking of comic books,something tells me you've collected them before. Am I right? I sure did.


munk

 

[Josh Feltman]

Shappa--my biggest disappointment with the Loleta Cheese Factory was that I thought the cheddar cheese curds looked kinda gross. By the time my wife made me try one in the tasting section, all the bags were gone. Those things are spectacular! The next time I head over, I plan on buying several bags. As it was, I had to make do with the cheddar cheese with pieces of salami in it. Somehow I managed. Their tour was very interesting and informative, and the gardens out back are just beautiful. Definitely a nice place to spend the afternoon.

Oddly enough, one thing I've always had trouble finding at the coast is affordable seafood. My wife and I usually stop at the little seafood shop in Mckinleyville, but their prices are very steep. I guess I just don't know where to look. Any recommendations for fish shops in the area?

--Josh

 

[munk]

You'd better get your licks in quick on that cheese factory, Josh. The hundred foot wall of water is coming, and making no exceptions for yuppie cheese enclaves.

I can't think of a better target than a yup with his cheeks stuffed full of cheese, cafe latte, and low fat foam-type icecream.

However, all heavily armed yups will be supplied with rafts. We call them, "second amendment yups", and though corrupt, obviously not beyond salvation.

All Volvos will be destroyed.


munk

 

[Josh Feltman]

munk, I'm sure the cheese factory draws its share of yuppies, but it seemed to be run by decent, hard-working folk. Overall, a very cool operation. The whey from the cheese is fed back to the cattle that produce the milk to avoid waste. Also, the prices are fairly cheap for a delicious, hand-crafted product. Think of it as a microbrewery for cheese. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the factory is mounted on pontoons just in case the yuppies bring down the watery wrath of God
--Josh

 

[ichor]

munk, I'm sure the cheese factory draws its share of yuppies, but it seemed to be run by decent, hard-working folk. Overall, a very cool operation. The whey from the cheese is fed back to the cattle that produce the milk to avoid waste. Also, the prices are fairly cheap for a delicious, hand-crafted product. Think of it as a microbrewery for cheese. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the factory is mounted on pontoons just in case the yuppies bring down the watery wrath of God
--Josh

You started this, munk. Whining about no good food to eat....including, IIRC,.......cheese. You don't have to be a yuppie to enjoy good cheese (or good anything. They can just afford it better than I.)

Having grown up in the Napa Valley and living there and Sonoma Counties for 55 years....and having been in the wine industry for 25 of those years....I've been a good, avid food and wine junkie for most of my adult life. My youngest daughter is a high end professional chef in Napa Valley. Call me yuppie, snob.....just don't call me late for horse drivers, wine tasting and dinner.

Now to get to the point. As long as this thread started out off topic, I guess I can throw in something you all probably know but that I just found out on a PBS show recently. With my background I'm amazed that I didn't know this.

We all know that the birthplace of mozzarella is Italy. How many of us know that the original, traditional mozzarella is made from the milk of the water buffalo? The milk is much richer and three times the price of cow's milk so don't be surprised if you go to buy imported Italian (or Bulgarian) mozzarella made from it. It's also not like most other cheeses, that gain flavor and character with age, and is actually best when eaten within hours of its making.

My favorite cook in the world is my very good friend Maria, who is 86, master nocchi maker (italian dumplings) and still lives in the Napa Valley. I called her when I found out the above info and scolded her for not telling me this. She didn't that Italian hand gesture and said, "If I know you so dumbo I would have made a point of it". And did this

cheesehttp://www.italianlessons.org/dispatches/1010.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25552-2003Nov11.html
http://www.mozzco.com/mozzhisty.html

 

[LoveTheBlade]

If you live in the hudson Valley, (NY) only one name will do Karl Ehmers...
I've had just about every hot dog known to man...Only Karl Ehmers makes me want more then one. And I laugh every time I hear one of those Boars Head commercials..No Comparison..I saw a Karl Ehmers Meat Market in CT, so I don't know how far exactly they go. But if you see one, stop by and do your self a favor..You'll Thank me later

 

[munk]

This hotdog available in Maryland? I might see my Sister some day. But I won't drive 3000 miles just for a dog.


I remember drinking wine. I remember Ficklin Port. So, you humans like tasty foods even if the yups are there too? OK.





munk

 

[shappa]

You'd better get your licks in quick on that cheese factory, Josh. The hundred foot wall of water is coming, and making no exceptions for yuppie cheese enclaves.

I can't think of a better target than a yup with his cheeks stuffed full of cheese, cafe latte, and low fat foam-type icecream.

However, all heavily armed yups will be supplied with rafts. We call them, "second amendment yups", and though corrupt, obviously not beyond salvation.

All Volvos will be destroyed.


munk

Munk, Thanks for the laugh...I think I woke up the wife.
This is mainly a logging and dairy area. Yuppies really don't fit in too well. The only guy I know that has a Volvo is a doctor that uses it to haul around an Irish wolf hound and hay for his minature horse.

1000 posts...I offer info when I know it to be true, give advice when sought, offer support when needed. Yes and restraint not to tell an idiot he is an idiot.
Josh, try Mr. Fish on Broadway in Eureka. Best is to buy it right off the boats...Salmon, albacore, crab...of course it has to be in season. We had abalone for dinner the other night. Melt in your mouth...yumm

 

[munk]

A logging area in Ca? Can't take too many hours to cut the 4 or 5 trees permitted by red tape. There's not too much logging in Montana. Or anywherelse for that matter. The funny thing is we retrict cutting on public lands, then buy oak from Brazil, but are angry at the destruction of the Rain forest. Are we living in Bizarro World?

I never did trust an Irish Wolf Hound. Or a Mastif.

When I lived in the "Inland Empire" in So Ca one thing you could get was great tamallles. Get a dozen for 7 or 8 bucks.

The Rocky Mountain West's idea of good mexican food is Taco John's- the Taco the West Deserves.

Which reminds me of American cheese. The goal was to make the softest, blandest product possible, still yellow, and call it cheese.

It sounds like you live in a great part of CA.


munk

 

[ichor]

I never did trust an Irish Wolf Hound. Or a Mastif.




munk

Munk......you're kidding right? These are two of the most reliably trustworthy breeds in existance. Mastiffs in the old days where ferocious monsters. Todays Mastiff might drown someone in drool, but that's about it. Irish Wolfhounds are the most dangerous to humans when standing close as, like some horses, they might step on your foot or accidently knock you down. If, on the other hand, you happen to be a wolf........

 

[munk]

I'm ignorant, I'll say it. I once observed two Mastif's running on patrol on a private ranch. They didn't hurt me- but I was scared. Someone mentioned the Doc having minature horses- those dogs are minature horses.

You know, most gun forums talk of people and bear defense- we need some more threads on Dog defense.



munk

 

[Ferrous Wheel]

I've not much fear of dogs, but I don't like the horses. I'd be more appprehensive of guard horses than guard dogs. A dog can deliver a powerful bite--that's just the start of the horse's arsenal.

Keith

 

[munk]

I'm careful around horses.

Most Bulls have had the mean bred out, but not all of it. Try walking across some BLM grazing land when there's a bull there that would like to-

Pigs can't be too good either.

Geese try to bite
Swans will definately bite.

And Rattler snakes are almost, but not quite, no damn good.


munk

 

[mross]

Well I don't know what kind of cheese you like but have you tried cheese imported from Italy? My favorite brand is Locatelli percorina/romana ( i probably really mangled the spelling). Go to an Italian deli and get good sharp IMPORTED provolone. Helluvagood and Cracker Barrell make ok chedder.

Hot Dogs - I go along with Herbrew National and Nathans.

Yogert, The Dannon Plain is good, just make sure it's not the low fat kind, it comes in a blue container.

 

[Steve_H]

Re Hot dogs - Sabretts rank number one for me but you generally can't get them outside of New York.

Boar's Head makes a very good 'dog and can be gotten nationally at some supermarket chains. You won't find them next to the Oscar Meyer's, look for them in the deli section.

 

[redvenom]

Keith,

You're making me regret I ever left the UK after my Uni studies. I remember the food fondly as well, especially the smoked ham.

Andrew Lim

Well, try some mid-east or mediterranean, or Indian sources for this. It is still quite good, but perhaps diff than what yer used to.

When I was in Europe, all the food tasted better (even in Britain, which for some reason gets bad press for its cuisine). Best sausage and pork products were english sausages (finely milled--mmmm!) and bacon, which is like a piece of ham with a bacon tail to us Yanks. All the bread and beer were rich in grains and flavor, in England and Iceland. The best butter I've ever had was in Scotland, made in Scotland. Best tea I had was in Edinburg. Best cream of Mushroom soup (real cream, freash mushrooms) was in Reykjavik, Iceland. Best rabbit stew, small family pub in Bath, England. Best rum and key lime pie, Abaco towns, Bahamas. Best pumpernickel bread, geyser(well, geothermal oven, anyhow)-baked in Iceland. Best meat pie, streetccorner vended in London.

Any of these foods made in America is a placebo at best.

Keith

 

[Hibuke]

Title says it all. Haagen Daz, once the finest icecream around, is owned by Nestles, (or Hershey's- can't tell them apart) and is simply no longer the world's best ice cream. I complained to "Haagen Daz' a year ago- and I was assured the same recipe was used. Well, they may use the same recipe, but there is a vast difference in cream and other products avaible. If you're an ice cream nut like myself, you know I'm speaking the truth- there is no longer any reason to purchase Haagen Daz if you still expect the creamiest and best. Won't find it.

That is truely unfortunate. Fortunately for me, living in The Merry Land of Oz, we here have our own brand of Ice Cream; Dairy Bell. While certainly not a premium brand with the prestige of Haagen Daz, it's really good...

This reminds me of what women did to yogurt. Yogurt used to be a creamy desert. There is now typically 1% or 0% milk fat in yogurt. Health food only.
There are still a couple brands that are barely acceptable, but the days of wonderful yogurt are gone forever. Women are fooled over and over again with this simple formula- take out the dreaded fat, and add twice the sugar to make up for it. It does not make up for it.

And what, pray tell is wrong with doubling sugar? Fat is dangerous, and yes, the taste of Yoghurt is gone down the toilet, but for the sake of my arteries, heart, and pancreas, I'd take the newfangled low-fat stuff... By the way, I haven't tried the full-fat stuff, I should and then get a proper, unbiased opinion...

Cheese. Good luck finding good cheese. There's a brand in Wal mart that is actually quite good- otherwise- I hope you like flavorless sponge material. Everytime I find a decent loaf of extra sharp cheese I feel I've been blessed. I'll eat it straight or with crackers or bread.

Fruit- if you don't live near Calif or Florida- forget it. Here in Montana the fruit is flavorless, often inedible.

Bread- if you can find bread worth eating by itself, congratulations. In Montana there's a brand called Montana Wheat that is good.

Hotdogs- for God's sakes, will someone please tell me of a dog worth eating? No, not ball park- sorry- I said worth eating.

I'm not too picky as to the type of cheese I eat. As long as it's not low fat. That's one of the few full-fat foods I eat... Australia has the reputation for having great dairy food, so I consider that a blessing...

Again being here in Australia, fruit would be a problem with all that anal-ly-retentive quarantine laws we have. Thankfully, the fruit grown here is top notch, at least to satisfy most of us...

Bread has never been a problem. Either I have the privilege of eating my mom's homemade bread that's absolutely divine, or I chose from the literal hundreds of small bakeries in shopping malls and local shopping districts that supply absolutely superb fresh bread that doesn't taste like compressed baked sawdust. I had the unfortunate experience of having to eat that crap when my mom was in hospital for 2 weeks!

Hot dogs? Never eaten enough of them to complain. Sausages are another thing. The common barbequed "snag" is usually the stuffed with innards and other crap. But, by paying around double the price, high-quality "gourmet" sausages which actually have meat in them are pretty good...

After reading this thread, I feel really blessed in some ways to be living here in The Merry Land of Oz. In other ways (the stupid "nanny" govenment) I don't...

 

[ichor]

Hibuke says:

"Hot dogs? Never eaten enough of them to complain. Sausages are another thing. The common barbequed "snag" is usually the stuffed with innards and other crap. But, by paying around double the price, high-quality "gourmet" sausages which actually have meat in them are pretty good..."


Because we've called them "Hot Dogs" for so many years, many people forget that the proper name is "frankfurter" which is simply.......yep, you guessed it.....a sausage.

Main Entry: frank·furt·er
Pronunciation: 'fra[ng]k-f&(r)t-&r, -"f&rt-
Variant(s): or frank·furt /-f&rt/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Frankfurter of Frankfurt, from Frankfurt am Main, Germany
: a cured cooked sausage (as of beef or beef and pork) that may be skinless or stuffed in a casing


What you call "gourmet" sausage is exactly what we've been talking about, Hibuke. Good "hot dogs" are Frankfurters (frank, wienie, wiener, weenie) with higher quality ingredients and method of manufacture. Frankfurters became "hot dogs" when the first person put them inside a bun to keep the customers from burning their fingers on the hot delicacies (there are several versions as to who did and when).

Since the idiot low fat craze ruined the flavor of half what we eat, Frankfurters are now commonly (if not dominately) made with chicken, turkey and probably seagull and bear no resemblance in flavor or texture to a classic, properly smoked and spiced Frankfurter. A so-called "no fat" hot dog isn't even worth unwrapping the package, even if they are beef or pork. I think that's BS anyway. How the heck do you make a totally no fat anything out of beef and/or pork??

As a self professed hot dog aficionado, and devotee of the great American hot dog, I am more than a little offended by the garbage now being produced by meat companies in this country. Rubber, indigestible pseudo-sausages, according to H.L. Mencken.

There are still some great hot dogs (sausages) out there, but you have to be determined to find them.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/HotDog/HDIndex.htm

 

[munk]

As a self professed hot dog aficionado, and devotee of the great American hot dog, I am more than a little offended by the garbage now being produced by meat companies in this country. Rubber, indigestible pseudo-sausages, according to H.L. Mencken.>>>>>

Here Here!

I didn't know how good a dog could be until I found the dog stand at the bottom of the hill from the university I attended. Not only were the dogs great tasting, but the buns succulent, and the tomatoes, chilli, or what have you on top fantastic.

A great hot dog is good enough reason to live another day.

munk