OT Hanoi Jane Fonda

Young and stupid? Maybe so. Treasonous behaviour and betrayal go beyond protesting though. I was born in '71 so I didn't live through what she did, but it sounds bad. Also, if 17-21 year old soldiers were mature enough to know what they were doing, then she was too.

Don't forget that the apostle Paul was very successful at killing Christ's followers before he became a Christian himself: A murderer become a hero of the church.

Go figure. Was he forgiven? Probably. Did Christ's follower's forget? In his lifetime, I would say not likely. Though they accepted him as proof of God's power to set things right, and even as a minister to them.

Life is weird. Evil people can turn good, and good can turn to evil. As with Paul, evil people converted to good can often be powerful forces for doing good.
 
i must say i agree she was a fool for doing what she did, but she obviously believed in what she was doing ????. i will give her that.

but i wonder what her poor father thought :( ,and her mother !!!!!
i presume she had a mother.
 
It may not have been a war on paper but it was a war to the 58,000+ who died, their families and friends, the thousands that have died from agent orange,etc.,and the many thousands more that lost parts of their bodies and parts of their minds. Not a war indeed.
 
Philthy is born in 1971? I was in high school in 71.

I appreciate the reference to Paul.


munk
 
Also, if 17-21 year old soldiers were mature enough to know what they were doing, then she was too.
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Ah, but then there is the difference. You have to remember that she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and being in the Hollywood envirement with all the other freaks.(Rich kids with nothing else to do). Most are really far left wing card carring ACLU save the world liberals.:rolleyes:
 
What I find most significant in all of this is that the politics of a B Grade movie actress would have such a significant and long lasting effect on certain individuals.

If Britany Spears went and shook hands with Sadaam do you think our soldiers would be so traumatized that they would still be talking about it 30 years later?
 
Ben,
If she shook hands,maybe not!! If she sat in a AA smiled made jesture of shooting down planes(which would be ours)made statements she made! YEAH!!A lot of people would remember & feel the same as
I!!
jim
 
Not at all. Fonda paved the way for insulting behavior.



I think self hate starts with an individual, then goes into the society. Fonda was ahead of her time. She hated the US. Today her actions would be seen as nonremarkable.


munk
 
Originally posted by munk
Fonda was ahead of her time. She hated the US. Today her actions would be seen as nonremarkable.


munk
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Well said Munk and very true.
 
I just lost a post and now I'm mad- you think AOL is bad? Screw yahoo. The damn pop ups and mail alerts blocked my pressing the confirm on the post.

Here it is again;

It is fashionable in college and media circles to despise the US. This is actually self hate mascerading as intellectualism. Being a man is a painful event. A dog knows being a dog is painful. But we play the cards we are dealt. We have faith and hope we can improve with time. The intellectuals of the sort I am talking about, and whom Jane Fonda unwittingly advanced 40 years ago, have tasted the world and found it lacking. They do not want western civilization to go on. They think any obstruction is morally sound. At heart, this is a call for death, for 'civilization' is all of us, every one, and you cannot separate the species from the works.

That they would end their own lives is bad, but worse they would take all of us down. Christians call this impulse the Devil. I don't know what it is, but what would you call a species that will not fight to exist, will not defend itself?

So this self rightious partial awareness marches on. It has seen through us, and stopped. There is no wonder here. No hope. No God.

as Rusty would say; rant over


munk
 
50 years ago we lied at trial. I see nothing's new. God Bless that poor woman. Thanks for the link, n2sharp, you always bring good things.

munk
 
You know what's worse? Self hate mascerades as intellectualism on our campuses and in our media. This is a kind of intellectualism that at heart really does not want us to continue. It has tasted the world, found it lacking, and does not have the will to want to go on living. Thus Western Civilization is 'corrupt' and needs to be taken down. What they don't know, or wont, is that civilization is us, all of us.

What do you call a species that will not fight to exist? Or that thinks it a higher calling not to live?

There is a pain in being a man. A dog knows the pain of being a dog. Though we can wonder and strive to improve, we play the cards we've been dealt, and have faith and guts to go on. These people are without faith in God or in themselves. But they think they are clever- clever enough to 'see through' us. What a trap. What a pathetic stance. Yet their heads are held high with self rightiousness. That my friends, is what Jane Fonda unwittingly represented 40 years ago.

as Rusty would say; rant over.

munk

found this post hovering in cyber space. wierd.
 
"Anybody old enough to remember Tokyo Rose?"

No sir, but I was listening to "Baghdad Betty" on my shortwave the day we sent her 500 lbs of high explosive "technical difficulties".:D

Sarge
 
Betty was a pip, you could only pick her up on short wave, but she played better music than AFRTS. Her anti-American propaganda broadcasts were hilarious. One day she was ranting to us poor misguided GIs about how our wives and sweethearts were back home having sex with movie stars like Tom Cruise, Kevin Costner, and Bart Simpson! I kid you not, BART SIMPSON. If I wasn't so dehydrated at the time I'd have probably pi$$ed myself.:rolleyes: :D

Sarge
 
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