OT: Save the price?

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Apophis said:
The benefit stated is that if prices are removed someone who finds a good deal, buys the knife, and decides to resell it can set the price higher and not get a bunch of grief for flipping it, (and that it's nobody's business if that's what a person wants to do).

To be clear, I am not making an accusation, just how I read the post. In general, I would support the right of people who want to remove prices to do so, as well as the right for someone to list a knife for sale at whatever price they see fit, without regard to what they paid or when they bought it (as long as the activity doesn't begin to verge on being a dealer under forum rules, i.e. "you might be a dealer if...").

It seems like most who've posted here agree that leaving the asking price up on sold items is beneficial. I'd encourage it and hope more sellers will do so, but don't really feel it should be a rule or anything.
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One item to consider, with respect to the "it's nobody's business" part:

Bladeforums requires a price to be posted to sell on here....it other words, one cannot say, "hey, I have some stuff for sale; call for price". So you are choosing to post publicly in a forum per that forum's rules. The only reason you are able to control that at all is because general forum permissions allow editing of a post. However, are you also able to edit another person's quote of your post? Hypothetically speaking, if someone had the time, one could theoretically quote every sales thread and create a log of the price of everything sold here.

Please understand, I am neither calling for that nor criticizing anyone for going in either direction regarding the OP's question; and I think that the Bladeforums admin would justifiably quash any attempt to force the issue using the above tactic, as it would do nothing but cause trouble with very little return.

My point is, the direct answer to the OP's question is pure utility: knowing sale prices benefits the buyer; not knowing sale prices benefits the seller. Sometimes the buyer will be a seller later, and vice versa, thus the gray area. The point is not to merely look at the sale itself, but at the overall health of the market. No judgment at all; just the question "what would bring the most benefit to the largest portion?

I myself leave the prices. I want people to know what was paid; I think knowledge is good for a healthy, stable marketplace and will benefit both buyer and seller. There is only one downside; but that is in and of itself a good one: inflation will be less.
 
I post knives for 1 of 2 reasons. Either I need cash asap or I don't need/want the knife anymore.

If I need cash I set a lower than average price and it sells in a flash.

If I just don't need/want the knife I set it a little high. If is sells at that price, great. If not, I have room to price drop or take an offer.

So if I leave the low price up it might screw things up for the next seller that wants a fair price.

If I leave up the high price it sold at people might start pumping prices.

So I remove the price.

I know, I over think it. But that is my $.02.

I guess I could follow a trend I saw on Bud's Gun Shop's site. Not sure they still do but they used to sell their used pistol and then post is sold for a price much lower then they sold it for.
 
jdigi101 said:
I post knives for 1 of 2 reasons. Either I need cash asap or I don't need/want the knife anymore.

If I need cash I set a lower than average price and it sells in a flash.

If I just don't need/want the knife I set it a little high. If is sells at that price, great. If not, I have room to price drop or take an offer.

So if I leave the low price up it might screw things up for the next seller that wants a fair price.

If I leave up the high price it sold at people might start pumping prices.

So I remove the price.

I know, I over think it. But that is my $.02.

I guess I could follow a trend I saw on Bud's Gun Shop's site. Not sure they still do but they used to sell their used pistol and then post is sold for a price much lower then they sold it for.
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You pretty much summed up my thoughts on this.

If really have a lust for Busse knives will do the research for rarity/prices. The orginal prices are almost always posted somewhere. So go from orignal price and what it's worth to you. Condition matters, rarity, age, style, popularity, blah ,blah blah. Want it bad enough you will get it. I just mark sold cause yeah its what crowd does an yeah you will get PM/emails well after its sold asking if still have it. As anybody i just try getting my money back. Sometimes if lose money on a knife will sell another for higher if got a deal. Some rare more than others. And waiting times, blah, blah ,blah. If used,age,variant, all matters, but all that really matters is what it's worth to you seller/buyer.

I really don't care either way, not that hard to figure out what things go for. As said original prices are somewhere. Start from there.
 
It may not be anyone else's business what a knife sold in some other transaction, but whether I'm the buyer or the seller, I want to have information available to judge the current fair market value. And really the Exchange is the only resource available that provides that sort of information. You certainly can't get it by looking by checking Busse Collector or something for the price a knife originally sold for 10 or 20 years ago. Does anyone really think that knowing a SHSH 1 sold for $167 in 1997 provides any useful information on fair market value today?

A long time ago, some guy said you don't want others to delete pricing information, you shouldn't delete it yourself. Or words to that effect. It seems like a good rule to me. I want that information to be available.

On the other hand, if I liked being the sucker who pays way more for a knife than he could have gotten it for elsewhere, or who the chump sells one for way less than I could have gotten if you'd known what other people were willing to pay, I'd be all for taking away price information.
 
BlackKnight86 said:
My point is, the direct answer to the OP's question is pure utility: knowing sale prices benefits the buyer; not knowing sale prices benefits the seller. Sometimes the buyer will be a seller later, and vice versa, thus the gray area. The point is not to merely look at the sale itself, but at the overall health of the market. No judgment at all; just the question "what would bring the most benefit to the largest portion?
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I disagree that not knowing sale prices benefits the seller. It might benefit a seller who sets prices really high and hopes to find a buyer who doesn't know the market price if he finds his mark, but it's not going to benefit a seller who doesn't know much about Busse knives and thinks the price of a used SHSH I must be something below the $167 it originally sold for.

If I'm selling a knife, I want the best information available on current sales so I can set my prices accordingly. When I see that knives have been listed at a price point where they don't sell, that's valuable information to have when I'm trying to decide how much to ask for mine. When I see that several similar knives have sold in a particular price range, I can feel comfortable using that as a guide in valuing mine. And I see a knife get an "I'll take it" five minutes after being listed, with others calling seconds and thirds, I want to know what it was listed for so I can set my price higher.
 
JohnTheTexican said:
It also takes away a seller's resource to gauge a reasonable asking price.
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Absolutely.... Right not I have 12+ Busse's I need to move to get $$ for the addiction. Several times I've tried to research what price to ask, and found all the prices were removed from sales threads, so... I put them back in the shoe box under the bed. I really don't want to loose a bunch of money, nor do I want to price them higher than the market can support and look like a jerk. End result... they stay in the shoe box, leaving unused knives away from potential new homes and me with less money to by other people's knives! :(
 
I absolutely agree that it should be left up to personal preference.

I absolutely hope that this thread will influence more people to change their preference to leave the price up.
 
resinguy said:
I absolutely agree that it should be left up to personal preference.

I absolutely hope that this thread will influence more people to change their preference to leave the price up.
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100% Preference, but maybe this discussion will show how it can help people! By the way, nice SHSH Clip Point in the tupperware box!

-Will
 
The original sale price on Busse Combat knives can be gleaned from a number of sites.

From that the buyer can determine a fair offer for a given knife on the exchange.

In the short run, rarity, desirability, popularity, etc. for a given knife can change. For example, the value of a INFI AK 47 might be devalued by a rash of custom shop offerings or the re-issue of the knife in Battle Grade. As a result, a researched price from the exchange 4 years ago might not make sense today.

But to speak directly to the topic, prices are posted on the exchange for all to see. Whether they remain for viewing into the future are between buyer and seller.
 
This statement in a nutshell pretty well says it all-Cheers
Z51 said:
The original sale price on Busse Combat knives can be gleaned from a number of sites.

From that the buyer can determine a fair offer for a given knife on the exchange.

In the short run, rarity, desirability, popularity, etc. for a given knife can change. For example, the value of a INFI AK 47 might be devalued by a rash of custom shop offerings or the re-issue of the knife in Battle Grade. As a result, a researched price from the exchange 4 years ago might not make sense today.

But to speak directly to the topic, prices are posted on the exchange for all to see. Whether they remain for viewing into the future are between buyer and seller.
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willic said:
By the way, nice SHSH Clip Point in the tupperware box!

-Will
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Funny story on that. It was my Grail Quest for awhile, having missed it in the 'Ganza. Eventually, at the peak of the Busse Bubble, a member offered one to me at well over the original price, which I willingly paid. Fast forward some years; paring back the collection, decided to sell it. By then, it was much more of a buyers market, and the blade was not mint. It took me almost 4 years and a series of price cuts to finally move it. Took a loss on that one. So it goes.
 
resinguy said:
Funny story on that. It was my Grail Quest for awhile, having missed it in the 'Ganza. Eventually, at the peak of the Busse Bubble, a member offered one to me at well over the original price, which I willingly paid. Fast forward some years; paring back the collection, decided to sell it. By then, it was much more of a buyers market, and the blade was not mint. It took me almost 4 years and a series of price cuts to finally move it. Took a loss on that one. So it goes.
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She is a SUPER cool knife! SUPER cool! By the way, if you deleted that old sales thread, I would have never contacted you! I think that thread was months old when I saw it! :)
 
willic said:
She is a SUPER cool knife! SUPER cool! By the way, if you deleted that old sales thread, I would have never contacted you! I think that thread was months old when I saw it! :)
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Oh, that's right; I forgot that you were the buyer. Glad you like it, enjoy.
 
I guess I'm at least lucky because I'm kind of a hoarder and I've only ever sold 2 knives of other brands. One over CS issues just to remove all reminders of the maker from my life. The other was to pay for my FFBM. I can't see myself clearing out my collection, but I also don't see myself being that guy buying multiple of a single type of blade.

I don't often come across blades that I just have to have and they are all worth what I'm willing to pay. A lot of the ones I look for are custom shops and those are harder to know pricing on as well.
 
TommyGun56 said:
Well I will be in the Minority here so-It is really nobodies business what a particular knife was sold for, it is an exchange of goods and services between the seller and buyer. The seller posts a price, the buyer or consumer determines if it is a fair price or not and then acts, also sometimes we are fortunate to get a great deal and if we decide to turn around and sell the knife someone will say he bought that knife for $500 and now wants to sell it for $600 that's BS-We live in a society where people can trade, sell, or buy things without everyone else knowing what was paid for the goods or services-Just my opinion, I will continue to mark knives sold without the price, because at the end of the day it is really nobodies business-People can also look of values of knives on the Busse Collector Page-Supply and Demand- if someone is willing to pay the price the item is not overpriced-Cheers!!!
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I don't think that anyone is suggesting that "selling" price be left up on the deal. The "asking" price, which may or may not be the selling price, has already been a matter of record. At worst, leaving the asking price seems harmless and, at best, the information is helpful to other buyers and sellers.
 
I would like to see people leave prices up. I know the market can and will fluctuate, but it is better than nothing.
 
LEAVE THE PRICE!!!! It's a very good research tool for both buyer and seller.... good for everyone...
 
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