Otf Dalton

If that is your response trane, then I must say you don't have a sufficient basis to make the assertions you do. They're pretty strident also. You don't even ask a question, for god's sake.

In my opinion, keninshiro - JamesA and Keith to some extent - is/are the only one(s) who has/have demonstrated some attempt at objectivity to this point.

It shouldn't matter, but Ren strikes me as a decent guy. But there are some 'one of the guys' indications in the responses, which just isn't right. You don't like it when it's reversed, I've seen that already.

Honestly, I don't know, but if Ren was so certain he'd done the right thing, why seek the comfort of confirmation in W&C?
 
Honestly, I don't know, but if Ren was so certain he'd done the right thing, why seek the comfort of confirmation in W&C?
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Perhaps the person to ask is Ren, via e-mail.
 
The question was rhetorical. If Ren were entirely comfortable, there'd be no need to seek the confirmation he has, I'd have thought.

My understanding is that this forum is for a specific purpose, one which my posts have kept in mind. I don't consider email either necessary or appropriate.
 
Without the e-mails from both parties I won't comment other than to agree that I have noticed about 80% or more of "interested" parties (at least in my case) never follow through. There can be a variety of reasons ranging from don't have the money to found it cheaper to just don't like the "tone" of my e-mails. I don't take a sale or lack of a sale personally, which is a good thing since sometimes when I post stuff it doesn't sell. It could be my price is relatively high, the item is specialized enough that there isn't a lot of demand or the picture/description is not clear enough. The only thing I really don't like is e-mail "tag" which peters out without a clear cut yes I will buy it or no I will not.
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Pasted per Cougar's suggestion. YMMV, One size does not fit all and only one head in the shower cap when in use.
 
I agree that if I have seen a great deal of interest from someone I will give that person the first right of refusal. I will tell the second person that I would need 24 hours to find out if the first person wants the knife or not. At that point I email the first person and tell that I have someone that wants the knife and that they have 24 hours to get back to me with a yes or no. The whole thing that would determine this is the amount of interest that I felt the first person had in actually purchasing the knife.

It is right to give the original interested party a little time to make a decision if they have stated a real interest in purchasing the knife.
 
Gentlebeings, please note this thread began in the Exchange section and was moved to The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. If you happen to have written something in another, private forum that happens to fit here in this discussion and is appropriate to post in this forum, feel free to paste it in (editing the language if necessary to fit the rules of this forum) -- but don't post links to a private forum with rules that specifically prohibit that.
 
Ok folk, I Thank all of you who see the light. I find it a learning experience as the reason I joined this site was to purchase that knife. It is a Dalton Ranger skel blade otf. I dont think that the seller knew this as his ad states nothing. I was like one of the many other folk who view these posts without joining them. Its an information source. I am listed on other forums. I have bought and sold many knifes. I am currently waiting for a MT scarab to be delivered, any way, all I wanted to do was speak the truth, the seller wants to dislodge the truth perhaps to his advantage, I am including the original email to perhaps let more of you see the light. I did exclude the sellers paypal account number to be as fair as I can. I also learned that the seller can sell to whomever he wants " so you never know for sure " even after the sale all a seller has to do is say that it was lost in the mail.


From: "Ren Vande Guchte" <cornsales@cablespeed.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: "'Timothy Karapcik'" <karapcik@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Dalton OTF
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:25:53 -0400

Yes?
paypal to corxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.com plus 3% so..$260
(omitted pay pal account number)
Ren
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Karapcik [mailto:karapcik@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:15 PM
To: cornsales@cablespeed.com
Subject: Dalton OTF

Please email me to talk about the purchase of this
fine knife.
Thank you.
Tim K.
(Ribbman)
karapcik@yahoo.com


No matter how you read this a buyer has asked to purchase it and it was agreed on by sending the pay pal account, what else is there to say other then how would you as a buyer like it being treated like this????
 
Originally posted by ribbman
No matter how you read this a buyer has asked to purchase it and it was agreed on by sending the pay pal account, what else is there to say other then how would you as a buyer like it being treated like this????
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Now that I've seen that:

No, you (ribbman) did not ask to purchase it. And, for the record, your attitude of pseudo-moral superiority isn't helping your case any. I've had someone sell a knife out from under me after we'd swapped addresses and both promised to get payment/knife in the mail that afternoon, and luckily I just HAPPENED to check my e-mail before I drove to the post office. You haven't been mistreated that badly.

"Please e-mail me to talk about this" means either that you have questions, or that you want to haggle. "I'd like to buy it" means you'd like to buy it.

Ren was discourteous, but not unreasonable. And I'm not sure why he responded to your e-mail with payment information.

Both at fault, just a miscommunication, no malice involved. At least as far as I (again, from an outside perspective) can tell.
 
Originally posted by ribbman
Please email me to talk about the purchase of this
fine knife.


No matter how you read this a buyer has asked to purchase it
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This is a misunderstanding. "Please email me to talk about the purchase" is not equivalent to asking to purchase it; it's more likely to be understood as something like "I want to ask you questions about the knife and its condition and then maybe I'll consider dickering about price. It's possible I might buy it."

Most people would read Ren's answer, just giving his Paypal number and saying nothing more, as equivalent to saying no dickering, pay the full price or get lost.

Misunderstandings like this seldom happen face to face, but they happen a lot on the net.
 
Sorry Ribbman, but you do not have a case. Your E-mail [and it's tacky as hell to share E-mails on a public forum] does not read as an intention to purchase the knife. If you wanted to be able to argue your case here you should have immediately paypal'd Ren's account the $260.00 and THEN asked Ren the questions you had. The way the mail reads now, Ren gave you his account and the amount to paypal and you responded, asking him to E-mail you. You misses your chance to buy the knife

Someone else came along and paypal'd the funds. Therfore, if ya snooze, ya lose!!!!

Keep looking, there are some other Daltons out there
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601


Keep looking, there are some other Daltons out there
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Yeah I agree, I wouldn't waste to much of your time even worrying about this one. No one lost out, just a little miscommunications. Even if you would have clearly stated that you wanted the knife and somehow it got sold to someone else, however disappointing, your not out anything. I have had knives for sale and had several inquires, I would send out a final price to one person that asked about the knife and seconds after hitting the send button, I would receive an e-mail saying I received funds via PayPal from another person who asked about it. Unless you specifically ask me to hold the knife or give me an indication you are planning on sending funds in the near future. I am first to pay gets it.
 
So Wolfman , you are saying mail someone money and then ask questions?

OK , so send a car dealer money and then ask what color you got.:confused: . It is his knife and do with it what he will but no matter how ya sugar coat it the guy was interested and wanted to talk .Sounds more like someone hard up for money.
 
Originally posted by JERRY SHIPMAN
Sounds more like someone hard up for money.
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Thats why I run by the First to pay gets it style, I don't sell a knife unless I am hard up for fast cash :(
 
If someone E-mails me he wants to talk about the knife.

And another E-mails me he wants to buy the knife; where do I send the money.

Who do you think I will E-mail back first? :rolleyes:
 
I promised myself that this is over..however this ribbman still insists that he was screwed..I am having a difficult time controlling my temper..well here below is the text of his ONE AND ONLY COMMUNICATION TO ME DIRECTLY>>VIA EMAIL..the rest of the time this clown has used these boards to trash me..unfairly..

HERE IS YOUR EMAIL>>>>

From: Timothy Karapcik [k*********@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:15 PM
To: cornsales@cablespeed.com
Subject: Dalton OTF

Please email me to talk about the purchase of this
fine knife.
Thank you.
Tim K.
(Ribbman)
karapcik@yahoo.com

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I DO NOT SEE AN OFFER TO BUY THIS KNIFE...YOU WISH TO "TALK" ABOUT PURCHASING THIS KNIFE. THAT IS NOT BUYING IT..
then to come off all holy and tell me to come clean and the Lord will set you free..you sir are a pompus ass!
I am also pissed as hell that you post my PRIVATE email correspondance to you on a public forum in some self righteious attempt to slander me..BITE ME!
I admit and have admitted that I READ YOUR EMAIL AND RESPONDED THEN AFTER CHECKING YOUR POST ON THE FORUM AND SEEING THAT YOU WERE A NEWBIE AND THEN ASKED FOR CONUS ONLY SHIPPING AND A MONEY ORDER>>WHEN I DID NOT HEAR FROM YOU AND HAD OTHER OFFERS i chose a offer WITH CASH IN HAND.. MY CHOICE TO DO SO.
To rip my ass because you dont know what the F**k your doing is unfair..and your claim that you have bought other knives on other forums..big hairy ass deal..YOU REGISTERED ON THIS FORUM TO BUY MY KNIFE. I AM GUESSING THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE REGISTERED IF IT WASNT THERE AND .AGAIN I AM SORRY THAT IT DID NOT WORK OUT GET OVER IT! NOW THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE HERE IS SOME LAME ATTEMPT AT JUSTIFYING YOUR OWN STUPIDITY..KISS MY ASS!
I dont need to defend my actions..Kieth is right..I am willing to write this off as a misunderstanding..I was willing to even offer other Daltons to this individual as a olive branch..but now forget it..I would rather take that olive branch and shove it up his ass..

Ren
 
BG and RGray,

Yeah , I stay broke so no shame in needing a fast sale . Looking back , it was a poor choice of words to use. :footinmou :D
 
What I meant is to paypal if you want to buy and ask questions if you are not yet ready. Ribbman clearly wanted to 'talk'

You boys need to cease being so critical:p

PS. I do not buy cars, I lease:rolleyes:
 
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