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Otf Dalton
- Thread starter Ren the devils trailboss
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Yo ribb-dude,
To be honest, there are other Daltons out there....cash is with you hence means power to purchase. To collect knife is to hunt for it, not cry over it because you missed the chance. Your credibility(you admitted it) as a buyer was discounted because you registered on to BF is just to purchase the Dalton which doesn't look good on your part. Many folks here earn their trust by being here long enough with a good trade record. To earn your stars, sit back and join us more often. Be courteous if something like this happens(they always do) and hunt for another bargain.
Eric.
To be honest, there are other Daltons out there....cash is with you hence means power to purchase. To collect knife is to hunt for it, not cry over it because you missed the chance. Your credibility(you admitted it) as a buyer was discounted because you registered on to BF is just to purchase the Dalton which doesn't look good on your part. Many folks here earn their trust by being here long enough with a good trade record. To earn your stars, sit back and join us more often. Be courteous if something like this happens(they always do) and hunt for another bargain.
Eric.
The G rating might have suffered a bit, although we'll survive I'm sure.
Ribb I think I'd better state at the outset that I can't agree at all that 'no matter how you read it' your email made it clear you were going to purchase the knife. I don't know if english is your first language - just a few things here and there, including your name, made me wonder a bit. Anyway the point is, your words are not unequivocal and are open to a variety of interpretations. I also have to say that my first reaction to what you sent did incline me a bit more to Ren's 'side' in all this. I would have been thinking 'what does that mean' if it were me who'd received it.
At the same time, the interpretation Cougar suggests there doesn't strike me as being "more likely". I'd say those words are suggestive of 'I want to purchase so can you email me to discuss how we should go about that' just as much as the other, at the least. I also don't agree with Cougar about how Ren's response in sending a paypal account number would be interpreted. Even Ren himself seems to consider his doing that an 'error' in the sense of being an indication that negotiations were on foot, for one thing.
But the more important point is how open to interpretation these things can be, as Cougar says in conclusion. I'd say, even more than 'you snooze you lose', choose your words carefully.
I don't want to appear to be taking a crack at Ira here, because I'm not. Just want to make that clear, given a couple of posts of mine recently. Anyway maybe he's talking about someone he knows well or something - you wouldn't have to worry about much at all with a Nakano2 or a Gary Graley for example and there's quite a number of others of that ilk. In any event however, it could not be considered sensible GENERAL policy for purchasers to dash off funds right away THEN start asking questions, to demonstrate they were sincere in their intent or whatever. God knows how many difficulties that would lead to if it were adopted as standard practice, for both purchasers and vendors.
In a similar vein perhaps, Rick I'm not sure whether you are talking about a different situation, because it isn't the one presented here. This wasn't one where Ren opened his inbox to find emails from two people - one ostensibly more interested than the other - and made a choice from there. He got an email from one person, entered into discussion with that person, then changed his mind and went with someone who emailed afterwards. As a matter of strict fairness, it might be said that Ren should accord priority to whichever person sent an email first in time ANYWAY, even if he GOT both at the same time, no matter which seemed more 'promising'. At least give that person a chance, as I said before. You don't seem to agree with that and maybe you're right, human nature being what it is. But the case for giving a fair go is even stronger once discussions have commenced with a party, which is what happened in this instance.
As for email disclosure - that will depend. I wouldn't recommend it as an opening move - poor form etc - although even then there might be situations where it's warranted. Sometimes there's nothing else for it, if others are to make any sense of things. I can't see a reason for great upset in this instance. They don't say much and what they do say is not personal at all.
BS Ren was polite in how he went about things. But with those emails I'm less inclined to think Ren acted unfairly, if that makes sense. So Ribb I agree with everything, moral superiority bit even, JamesA said. With a dash of Keith also.
Ribb I think I'd better state at the outset that I can't agree at all that 'no matter how you read it' your email made it clear you were going to purchase the knife. I don't know if english is your first language - just a few things here and there, including your name, made me wonder a bit. Anyway the point is, your words are not unequivocal and are open to a variety of interpretations. I also have to say that my first reaction to what you sent did incline me a bit more to Ren's 'side' in all this. I would have been thinking 'what does that mean' if it were me who'd received it.
At the same time, the interpretation Cougar suggests there doesn't strike me as being "more likely". I'd say those words are suggestive of 'I want to purchase so can you email me to discuss how we should go about that' just as much as the other, at the least. I also don't agree with Cougar about how Ren's response in sending a paypal account number would be interpreted. Even Ren himself seems to consider his doing that an 'error' in the sense of being an indication that negotiations were on foot, for one thing.
But the more important point is how open to interpretation these things can be, as Cougar says in conclusion. I'd say, even more than 'you snooze you lose', choose your words carefully.
I don't want to appear to be taking a crack at Ira here, because I'm not. Just want to make that clear, given a couple of posts of mine recently. Anyway maybe he's talking about someone he knows well or something - you wouldn't have to worry about much at all with a Nakano2 or a Gary Graley for example and there's quite a number of others of that ilk. In any event however, it could not be considered sensible GENERAL policy for purchasers to dash off funds right away THEN start asking questions, to demonstrate they were sincere in their intent or whatever. God knows how many difficulties that would lead to if it were adopted as standard practice, for both purchasers and vendors.
In a similar vein perhaps, Rick I'm not sure whether you are talking about a different situation, because it isn't the one presented here. This wasn't one where Ren opened his inbox to find emails from two people - one ostensibly more interested than the other - and made a choice from there. He got an email from one person, entered into discussion with that person, then changed his mind and went with someone who emailed afterwards. As a matter of strict fairness, it might be said that Ren should accord priority to whichever person sent an email first in time ANYWAY, even if he GOT both at the same time, no matter which seemed more 'promising'. At least give that person a chance, as I said before. You don't seem to agree with that and maybe you're right, human nature being what it is. But the case for giving a fair go is even stronger once discussions have commenced with a party, which is what happened in this instance.
As for email disclosure - that will depend. I wouldn't recommend it as an opening move - poor form etc - although even then there might be situations where it's warranted. Sometimes there's nothing else for it, if others are to make any sense of things. I can't see a reason for great upset in this instance. They don't say much and what they do say is not personal at all.
BS Ren was polite in how he went about things. But with those emails I'm less inclined to think Ren acted unfairly, if that makes sense. So Ribb I agree with everything, moral superiority bit even, JamesA said. With a dash of Keith also.
This is interesting since I am a Newbie at this site also. Just common sense...if you want the knife, just say "I'll take it". This seals the deal. If you want to haggle with the price, ask and you will get a response from the seller. If you have been selling and buying knives for awhile, you know that you win some and you loose some. If you feel jilted, look into your self and know that you wanted to haggle with the price when somebody else is willing to purchase the knife at asking price. Learn to be striaght forward in your offer, you don't show the wisdom that you have been in the bussiness for the many years you claim.