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strategy9 said:
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I like what strategy suggested. But then you have to decide if you want light saber handle in stainless or carbon steel. I would probably go with something would allow you to also use it as a hammer. I often times find myself mining for survival gem stones to barter with when I'm surviving. A solid knife pommel hammer is essential. Not sure if serious surviving is possible without one.
 
Gaston444 said:
For the most extreme and serious use I would recommend this, in stainless
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Awesome! Some extreme and serious use talk!

Gaston444 said:
This has been tested against a Busse BM and has far superior chopping power in wood
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When you reference a test in order to prove an assertion you most provide evidence to back it up. In other words, prove it!

Gaston444 said:
Forget everything you heard, 440B and C are still the standard against which all other steels are measured.
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Or, forget where you read this test. Reference it a bunch and not be able to show when or who did this test.

No doubt the Randall is a superb knife. I'm not even saying you are wrong in what you claim. But why did you take this silly thread in a serious direction? And, if you are going to do such a thing, be able to back up what you claim. At this point why not just claim this sort of stuff as your opinion? Nothing is wrong with having an opinion but you can't dress it up as empirically tested fact.
 
timbo813 said:
Choose your blade length and grab a becker BK2, BK7 or BK9.

Or, spend some more money on an ESEE to get an equivalent knife with the best warranty in the business. You break it they will replace it.

There are lots of other good options too but these may be the best bang for your buck.

You could also combine a folding saw (corona or silky are a couple brands) with a smaller knife like a becker BK16. I personally would carry a second blade like a mora companion or SAK Farmer just because they are cheap, light and very functional. For a true survival situation if you are really that hard on your knife you should have a backup just in case.
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+1. I might add a BK-10 to the Becker list and choose the size you like or think you like. Size changes with experience, over time and I suspect you'll discover that bigger is not always better. My big knives simply get left at home. The BK-7 is about as big as I am willing to carry and it honestly is too large for me unless I am just playing in the woods.

I suspect you are mostly playing survival in the woods which is just fine. Have fun and ultimately that is what it is all about. It sounds like you abuse your knives. In a real survival situation where the ending is not known and you have with you all that you will be able to use, I would not abuse a knife with excessive prying regardless of it being say a BK-2 or something really heavy duty.

The folding saws are quite handy and often eliminate the need for a really large blade/chopper.
 
craytab said:
Awesome! Some extreme and serious use talk!



When you reference a test in order to prove an assertion you most provide evidence to back it up. In other words, prove it!



Or, forget where you read this test. Reference it a bunch and not be able to show when or who did this test.

No doubt the Randall is a superb knife. I'm not even saying you are wrong in what you claim. But why did you take this silly thread in a serious direction? And, if you are going to do such a thing, be able to back up what you claim. At this point why not just claim this sort of stuff as your opinion? Nothing is wrong with having an opinion but you can't dress it up as empirically tested fact.
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It actually boils down to experience. I could get long winded and technical but I will keep it short and experience based in my reply.

You have to get out and chop with the various grinds to know what he is saying. The grind on the BK7 and BK9 compared to similarly sized and weight blades with a hollow grind will show you. I recently got a SCHF37 and a buddies BK7 don't even compare when chopping. The BK9 has a slight advantage but the margin is so small the users technique will make it unnoticeable some times. The SCHF37 has a nice hollow saber hybrid grind that chops extremely well and does fine work like no other large blade I've used. My hollow ground SCHF26 is lighter and shorter and it chops just as good as the SCHF37.

I fully understand what he is saying. I don't need to read about it in a magazine or online. It makes complete sense to me.
 
Boris74 said:
It actually boils down to experience. I could get long winded and technical but I will keep it short and experience based in my reply.

You have to get out and chop with the various grinds to know what he is saying. The grind on the BK7 and BK9 compared to similarly sized and weight blades with a hollow grind will show you. I recently got a SCHF37 and a buddies BK7 don't even compare when chopping. The BK9 has a slight advantage but the margin is so small the users technique will make it unnoticeable some times. The SCHF37 has a nice hollow saber hybrid grind that chops extremely well and does fine work like no other large blade I've used. My hollow ground SCHF26 is lighter and shorter and it chops just as good as the SCHF37.

I fully understand what he is saying. I don't need to read about it in a magazine or online. It makes complete sense to me.
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Great. And you are entitled to your opinion. What is not acceptable is to say there were tests done and cite those tests as evidence but not be able to revile your sorce even though it is being paraded around as fact that we should all accept.
 
craytab said:
Great. And you are entitled to your opinion. What is not acceptable is to say there were tests done and cite those tests as evidence but not be able to revile your sorce even though it is being paraded around as fact that we should all accept.
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Pretty sure an opinion was never given by me. Only decades of experience based observations converted into written text on a forum

If you want a better chopping blade and just not a good one with a famous name, then get a tough carbon steel In a hollow grind. That's not an opinion there either.
 
Boris74 said:
Pretty sure an opinion was never given by me. Only decades of experience based observations converted into written text on a forum

If you want a better chopping blade and just not a good one with a famous name, then get a tough carbon steel In a hollow grind. That's not an opinion there either.
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Nope. Both still opinions based on your experience :thumbup:

Nothing wrong with it but let's at least call it what it is.

rpn said:
Same knife in both pics?
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I thought not the same knife but after looking at it more closely, I think it is. In the first pic it looks amazing.
 
craytab said:
Nope. Both still opinions based on your experience :thumbup:

Nothing wrong with it but let's at least call it what it is.



I thought not the same knife but after looking at it more closely, I think it is. In the first pic it looks amazing.
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There's a huge difference between opinion and reality. Take the F150 Ecoboost for example. Line it up next to a 1500cc larger engine F150 where everything else is equal between the two trucks and the Ecoboost out performs it at every task. That right there is not an opinion. Hollow grind on a proper steel with a proper heat treat (required of any steel or grind really) will out chop a saber or full flat all day long. It may appear as an opinion if you've never observed it through using both. Where I sit, I won't get a large blade expected to chop if it's saber or flat ground. The large hollow grinds also do fine work with amazing agility as well.

I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, I'm saying large choppers do better with a hollow grind. No one will convince me otherwise. Not pointing out the infamous published test yet to be revealed or anything online. I'm going by some good old down home back woods boy experience.

Not trying to be an anal pore, just stating what I've experienced and why I prefer a hollow grind for chopping.
 
Boris74 said:
Hollow grind on a proper steel with a proper heat treat (required of any steel or grind really) will out chop a saber or full flat all day long. It may appear as an opinion if you've never observed it through using both. ...

I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, I'm saying large choppers do better with a hollow grind.
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Yet again, you are saying the only way anyone could have an opinion different than yours is through lack of experience.

Same thing as you did in that super steel thread.

Its all incredibly insulting. You are entitled to an opinion, but not entitled to say me!mbetrs who disagree with you don't know what they are talking about. :thumbdn:
 
marcinek said:
No, it's a fact. You'd know if you had all the experience I have. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you don't know what you're talking about.

:D
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Well, I can't argue with logic like that. :)

As for the OP, he just needs a bunch of whatever the local Walmart sells for $5 a knife. That way when it gets dull or breaks, he can just pull out another one.
Plus, survivalists LOVE hoarding (at least on TV), so a hoard of knives is better than one good one anyway.
 
Boris74 said:
There's a huge difference between opinion and reality. Take the F150 Ecoboost for example. Line it up next to a 1500cc larger engine F150 where everything else is equal between the two trucks and the Ecoboost out performs it at every task. That right there is not an opinion. Hollow grind on a proper steel with a proper heat treat (required of any steel or grind really) will out chop a saber or full flat all day long. It may appear as an opinion if you've never observed it through using both. Where I sit, I won't get a large blade expected to chop if it's saber or flat ground. The large hollow grinds also do fine work with amazing agility as well.

I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, I'm saying large choppers do better with a hollow grind. No one will convince me otherwise. Not pointing out the infamous published test yet to be revealed or anything online. I'm going by some good old down home back woods boy experience.

Not trying to be an anal pore, just stating what I've experienced and why I prefer a hollow grind for chopping.
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My reality is that this is still all just your opinion.

"just stating what I've experienced and why I prefer a hollow grind for chopping"

-Dude, that is an opinion based on your experience, sorry to break it to you. And since when was this thread about the preferred grind for chopping?
 
marcinek said:
Yet again, you are saying the only way anyone could have an opinion different than yours is through lack of experience.

Same thing as you did in that super steel thread.

Its all incredibly insulting. You are entitled to an opinion, but not entitled to say me!mbetrs who disagree with you don't know what they are talking about. :thumbdn:
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As always, lol. I'm saying they don't know what I'm talking about. As to axes 2Xlol. Are you talking about a splitting, or chopping axe?

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I do not own a chopping axe, but I do have a splitting axe. If I did have a chopping one it would be a Michigan double bit. If you were around as many tough hardwoods with not a single birch for at least a half days drive away you'd understand why. One side is always what looks like a hollow grind to me, at least on the better well designed ones.

You take what I'm saying out of context. I'm saying I have observed heavy thick long blades chop better when equipped with a hollow grind. That is not an opinion.
 
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