Paddling into 2013

Thanks Bill. I do tend to ramble at times. And I am more and more becoming an example of "The older I get, the better I used to be"!!

Speaking of the "old days" of canoeing... and safety... and equipment... the improvements that have been made are astounding. Better canoes (and yaks), better techniques and the availability of on and off site outfitters, and actual certified training classes has expanded the number of paddlers and their safety. In the early seventies, the American Canoe Association (ACA), Boy Scouts (BSA) were about it for sources of training and advice. Of course there was no internet, so paddling groups tended to be rather small circles of friends who shared something else in common... school (college in my case), or work.

I had earlier mentioned a certain "iconic movie", Deliverance. It premeired in theatres in the winter of 1972. That was the same year we managed to get the Buffalo River in Arkansas declared the nation's first National River under the control of the NPS. This ended years of effort to keep the Corps Of Engineers from building a dam and preserved the 150 mile long free flowing river and it's watershed.

It was also the year that Ozark Outdoor Supply opened in Little Rock in an old two story house on Kavanaugh Blvd., the source of my rental canoes.

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And Payson Kennedy's NOC opened in the old Tote-n-Tarry motel/store in North Carolina. NOC is Nantahala Outdoor Center, one of the premier outfitters in the South for river runners of every skill level. The founder was an advisor and stunt double on the making of the aforementioned movie and that is where he invested his earnings.

We saw that 1972 was the year that Blue Hole Canoe Company began producing Dupont ABS canoes suitable for whitewater. Aluminum canoes had been the old standby since the end of WWII when Grumman and others used aircraft facilities, tooling and technology to mass produce recreational canoes. Michicraft was started in 1970 in Big Rapids, MI by L.B. Harkins.

In reviewing the aforementioned movie, I note that they just celebrated the 40th anniversary with a blueray release. The four main actors came together for a reunion and gave interviews which were very interesting. It seems that none of them had any prior canoeing experience. Some interesting trivia was mentioned. They used five Old Town wood and canvas canoes in the movie, most of which were destroyed. Burt Reynolds has the sole surviving canoe in his Jupiter Florida museum.

I also reviewed the statistics of drownings and near drownings on the Chattooga since the movie was made. A surprising number were people who were not wearing PFDs. Most had little or no whitewater experience and were not on a outfitter guided trip.

So then I began to review my own canoeing history and the risks I have taken, some due to ignorance of the rivers and the dangers present, some due to lack of now familiar safety equipment, much due to youthful bravado and adventure-seeking. My first wife was often my partner in crime but in retrospect, there were a few times when she got out and walked.

I guess I have learned quite a bit over the years, but nothing compared to the people who are modern professional instructors, guides and professional whitewater atheletes. I don't go on heavy whitewater these days, but every year even on the class I-II-III streams I canoe, I see potentially dangerous situations and occasionally rescue a canoeist or canoe.

Is anyone here familiar with proper techniques for unpinning a pinned a canoe? Ever heard of a "Z-Drag" or seen one used? Can you do CPR? Know how to use a throw rope, carry or even own one?
 
Good God - even a perfectly innocent thread about canoeing somehow turns into yet another ego-driven pissing match,

Yes, but Codger just keeps ignoring the crap, and doggedly keeps bringing the thread back home. :thumbup:

Keep it going, Codger. It's a good thread for this time of year!

I found a 16" Blue Hole for $200 on craigslist a couple days ago. Just a bit too far of a drive, though.
 
Keep it going, Codger. It's a good thread for this time of year!

Stop it. Because of this thread I've spent the better part of the morning paddling toward some questionable decisions. :p

Namely, this one:

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Maybe this one...

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Yes, but Codger just keeps ignoring the crap, and doggedly keeps bringing the thread back home. :thumbup:

Keep it going, Codger. It's a good thread for this time of year!

I found a 16" Blue Hole for $200 on craigslist a couple days ago. Just a bit too far of a drive, though.

Zounds! Consider the McGuyver approach if you really want that canoe. I've seen them shuttled by canoe clubs across several states. I also located one on Craigslist, but it is a relic needing a complete overhaul. Added to the distance + asking price, it just wouldn't be worth it. It needs new gunnels (wood), decks (wood), thwarts and seats (wood). The hull itself is excellent though and a local buyer with skills and ability to horse-trade would get himself an excellent canoe. Still... someone has one in their barn or garage that needs no work.

This one is an original Blue Hole Starburst from the Sunbright factory with what I believe is Merrimac installed rigging. They had a factory in Crossville, Tennessee at the time and some upgraded hulls were sent there for outfitting.

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Stop it. Because of this thread I've spent the better part of the morning paddling toward some questionable decisions. :p

Namely, one of these:

Nothing wrong with doing some online shopping to get the juices flowing. Some of those anglers' SOTs are really cool. I've seen folks load them down with more dollars worth of accessories than the base hull costs. Don't scrimp on the paddle and PFD either. Seen the video of the guy who hooked a marlin from one?
 
Stop it. Because of this thread I've spent the better part of the morning paddling toward some questionable decisions. :p

Namely, this one:

Maybe this one...
Wilderness Systems makes some nice boats. If you're shopping those, you might check out Native Watercraft, too.
The first SOT I rented was a Tarpon 120, and after renting several others that I didn't like nearly as much, similar plus additional features led me to Native's Manta Ray.
 
Codger— you made me rethink the Blue Hole canoe. If it's in good shape, $200 is a heck of a deal, and worth a 7 hour round trip drive. I actually have other business in the same general direction so maybe I can do it all on one trip. I've sent an email to the seller, so maybe I'll be able to share the joy next spring.
 
I "learned CPR" some years ago but am not currently certified nor have I practiced in quite some time.

I used to fish for smallmouth bass on the James River in the areas near Buchannan, Virginia in an aluminum Jon boat. Not really ideal for river use! Got hung crossing a couple of ledges, had to pull one drowning rubber rafter out of the swell between a railroad trestle.

I used two throw lines and two orange vests wrapped with cord as throw floats + individual vests.

Most of my times was spent on ponds in the Jon. I also had a 22' Hurricane Fundeck for a year on Smith Mountain Lake. Most of that time was spent floating and tubing! :)

I still want to get into canoing but too many other things are on the list first.

Bill
 
Wilderness Systems makes some nice boats. If you're shopping those, you might check out Native Watercraft, too.
The first SOT I rented was a Tarpon 120, and after renting several others that I didn't like nearly as much, similar plus additional features led me to Native's Manta Ray.

I'm on the fence about the whole thing. My Grumman gets use with the outboard motor on it more than it gets paddled. Of course even that is rarely these days and only out at the inland lake where it sits. That's an hour drive from home but there is a river five miles from my house that is far from perfect, notoriously dirty and not the best fishery around but there for the paddling.

It starts like this:

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But upstream and once past that building in distance it cuts through the Henry Ford Estate and into some more scenic areas.

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drifting. sorry...

My wife and I still do the canoe rental thing a couple times a year on the Huron River and the price is cheap so I'm leaning toward selling the Grumman and buying another kayak. There is a kayak dealer about 30 minutes from my house that sells Native but they close up shop in February and don't reopen until March. They have some good prices on demo/blem/scratched new yaks, lightly used and leftovers from the previous years so I've got plans to visit and have not resigned myself to the Wilderness Systems by any means. They also do demo rides so I can try out any of 17 brands and whatever they have on consignment.

I picked up the Otter last year and I think I'm hooked. The above mentioned store's homepage reads " A kayak is like a Cockroach. Take one home and see what happens". I wish someone had told me that...
 
Like a cockroach!:D
I do want a whitewater boat..a "creek boat".
One more thing I'm a little old to be getting into...
 
I do want a whitewater boat..a "creek boat".

I just sold a Dagger Ovation yesterday. I'm going to be selling a Dagger Genesis shortly. Being that you're in AL and I'm in PA, I don't think that's going to work. The Genesis isn't really a creek boat anyway.

As for age, I see a lot of really old guys on the river. I had a guy tell me recently that he was a bit old to be getting into kayaking (although he was getting into it anyway.) I think he was late-fifties. I told him I see Iraq and Afghanistan vets on the river paddling Class III-IV whitewater without legs. Not too long ago, I watched a guy finesse an open canoe down the same river with just a stump for a hand. "A little old" shouldn't stop you. (Not that I think you'd let it, OwenM. :) )
 
Codger— you made me rethink the Blue Hole canoe. If it's in good shape, $200 is a heck of a deal, and worth a 7 hour round trip drive. I actually have other business in the same general direction so maybe I can do it all on one trip. I've sent an email to the seller, so maybe I'll be able to share the joy next spring.

Keep in mind the age of the design, if that matters to you. Nearly 40 years old. And it will be heavy compared to today's composit layups with foam cores. For the most part they were meant to be sturdy downstream canoes able to take repeated impacts, not quietwater tourers. The closest canoes today that I can think of to those designs are the Buffalo canoes made now in Jasper Arkansas. http://buffalocanoes.com/

Still, $200 is cheap considering a new Buffalo or most any other brand of that heft and purpose will set you back well over a grand. And if you find that it does not fit your needs, you can always sell a decent $200 canoe.

ABS Royalex, aluminum or vinyl gunwales, lenght 15'9", beam 35", depth
15", bow/stern height 25", weight 70 lbs. max work load 650 lbs.,

There were other models including different lengths and the later Prowler.
 
More from the Rouge River.

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If you launch where the concrete banks are and go downstream you pass the Ford Rouge Steel plant and docs where ships like the Edmund Fitzgerald and the William Clay Ford would offload their ore, and The Morton Salt mines entrance. Zug Island is at the mouth of the Rouge where it dumps into the Detroit river south of Downtown.
 
Keep in mind the age of the design, if that matters to you. Nearly 40 years old.

I'm hoping the seller can tell me if its a Prowler or Starburst (or give me enough info for me to figure it out.) If I can get the serial number, I can determine how old it is and then get exact specs here: http://boatspecs.iboats.com/Blue_Hole_Canoe/bp/20br1944

I know the old Blue Holes used really heavy/thick Royalex. I guess I just have to wait till the seller gets back to me.
 
If nothing else, a readable data plate will tell you where it was made and thus a span of years. And the gunnels being aluminum, wood or vinyl might hint the age. Kept out of the sun, the ABS doesn't degrade with just age. I really was referring to archaic hull configuration vs. more modern shapes and materials.

I remember well when I first saw the new genre of whitewater specific canoes. White hull with red and blue decals and air bags. It was the first of Scott Phillips designed Old Town H2PRO in 1990. I fell in lust immediately. It was only made for a couple of years, but it set the stage for modern whitewater OC-1 canoes that boof, spin, surf, ender and spin.

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Basic Essentials: Solo Canoeing by Cliff Jacobson online.

And Bill Mason's Path Of The Paddle in print. His movie, "Water Walker" is a real treat. (Not instructional; just enjoyable!)

Stay sharp,
desmobob

PS: +1 on the Wilderness Systems plastic kayaks. I have a Pungo 140 Fisherman that is the next best thing to a "real" composite kayak at a lot less money. I'm a serious canoe lover, but needed the kayak for an annual saltwater fly fishing trip on Cape Cod. I picked out the Pungo 140 after much research. I love the thing!
 
It was also the year that Ozark Outdoor Supply opened in Little Rock in an old two story house on Kavanaugh Blvd., the source of my rental canoes.

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Pretty amazing. This is where I bought the Rock Star. They had one on sale so I called them and bought it. They would not take any money, just my word I'd drive up and get. About a month later I drove up from Houston, spent the weekend at Hot Springs, picked it up Monday morning and drove home. Nice people.
 
Pretty amazing. This is where I bought the Rock Star. They had one on sale so I called them and bought it. They would not take any money, just my word I'd drive up and get. About a month later I drove up from Houston, spent the weekend at Hot Springs, picked it up Monday morning and drove home. Nice people.

Always have been nice. Seems like we used to call them to hold canoes for the weekend, pick them up just paying the rental, no deposit. Then haul them across the state to Big Piney, Sylamore creek, Mulberry, Cadron and more. I had one of their logo stickers on every canoe I ever owned and on my trucks too.
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You know they were cool if their logo featured the Doo-dah man!
 
"A little old" shouldn't stop you. (Not that I think you'd let it, OwenM. :) )
That was kind of a joke. It wouldn't stop me. Which is the problem. I do everything solo, and think that would be asking for trouble in this case.
Class II/ occasional III on the SOT is plenty for me. I'd really like to find somewhere with several miles of continuous class II to go play. Where I go on the Coosa is gorgeous, but there's lots of flatwater between rapids.
 
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