Para-Military in CTS-204P

nccole said:
Just curious if anyone sees Carpenter as taking other companies' steel concoctions and simply copying them or tweaking them very little? Then of course selling them cheaper because they did not do as much development work. I do not have that opinion since I do not know the steel industry and it seems as if everyone has a version of everyone's steel. I do not know if you patent steels, it seems like that is not the case but rather the process like CPM. I read through the thread about the 777 getting knocked off (do not remember details, Microtech maybe), and kind of wonder why Carpenter receives praise rather than not for having steels that are basically the same as other steels from other companies. Again, not really critiquing (I pre-ordered one) just wondering.
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IIRC one of the reasons we are seeing so much Carpenter steel in Spyderco knives is that they will mix up alloys to the customer's request, so really it's more Spyderco requesting copies of alloys than Carpenter selling them. Also, as mentioned, specialty alloys can be hard to come by sometimes.

I get the feeling that patents in the steel industry work more like the food industry than machines or software. Unless you have something useful, novel, and not obvious, there's no case for a patent. A specific alloy from one company would probably fall under the same category as your grandma's recipe for cookies. (Not that I'm an expert, just do a search for "food patents".)
 
Carpenter feels that their powder process results in smaller finer particles that some of the European processes. So they are trying to add value that way. Also by making the steel here shipping costs (which are not trivial on a heavy item like steel) are reduced for manufacturers in the U.S. vs importing from europe.
 
Joshua J. said:
IIRC one of the reasons we are seeing so much Carpenter steel in Spyderco knives is that they will mix up alloys to the customer's request, so really it's more Spyderco requesting copies of alloys than Carpenter selling them. Also, as mentioned, specialty alloys can be hard to come by sometimes.

I get the feeling that patents in the steel industry work more like the food industry than machines or software. Unless you have something useful, novel, and not obvious, there's no case for a patent. A specific alloy from one company would probably fall under the same category as your grandma's recipe for cookies. (Not that I'm an expert, just do a search for "food patents".)
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Yes, they would only have to change the element percentages by a tiny amount and it would technically be different steel, although not really noticeable. Like 20CP and S90V.
 
Fat Goat Forge said:
Carpenter feels that their powder process results in smaller finer particles that some of the European processes. So they are trying to add value that way. Also by making the steel here shipping costs (which are not trivial on a heavy item like steel) are reduced for manufacturers in the U.S. vs importing from europe.
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P1GEONPOO said:
Yes, they would only have to change the element percentages by a tiny amount and it would technically be different steel, although not really noticeable. Like 20CP and S90V.
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i'll use this as an example: from my limited experience, i find carpenter's BD30P to except a finer edge easier and hold that fine edge longer than S30V (YMMV). slight element changes and different particle sizes could possibly cause a steel to act different from it's "brother from another mother".
 
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ScreaminSS01 said:
I read this whole thread and went to order one and they are sold out! I guess I'll wait for another sprint.
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They were all sold out in 6 days of becoming available. Well, down payment at least. But as spydercofan mentioned. After they are released, give it a day and they will pop up in the for sale area.
 
Nobody know this. But watching how CF/M390 Mili doing, prices shouldn't crazy, at least shortly after they released. This is 800 pieces run, which is quite a good size. Most of the people who want one, ordered. Many people who places pre-order, will buy two with intend to sell one. Some of them will not wait and try to sell right away, so it could be less demand and more available. This what we see now with CF/M390 Milly. Usually they are around $300 e-bay, but some of them were sold for much less, especially on this forum. Friend of mine bought one here for $265 shipped, which is not bad, considering how much original owner paid.
I do not expect green paras to go over $200 fast, if ever. It took long time for gray para to hit $200 barrier.
Of cause, I can be wrong. If I could predict future, I would be on the Wall street.
 
bh49 said:
Nobody know this. But watching how CF/M390 Mili doing, prices shouldn't crazy, at least shortly after they released. This is 800 pieces run, which is quite a good size. Most of the people who want one, ordered. Many people who places pre-order, will buy two with intend to sell one. Some of them will not wait and try to sell right away, so it could be less demand and more available. This what we see now with CF/M390 Milly. Usually they are around $300 e-bay, but some of them were sold for much less, especially on this forum. Friend of mine bought one here for $265 shipped, which is not bad, considering how much original owner paid.
I do not expect green paras to go over $200 fast, if ever. It took long time for gray para to hit $200 barrier.
Of cause, I can be wrong. If I could predict future, I would be on the Wall street.
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$200 is about right but like you said, have to wait awhile till some are used or destroyed and the supply becomes smaller. The grey para didn't take long to go to $200 from it's original retail price of $140-160. Within a month or 2 it was at that price because the steel was so sought after. If the steel performs admirably I think demand will soar for this para run.
 
My WAG may have been to high, but I would expect this one to go higher than the gray 20CP, if only because the steel performance is roughly the same and the color is likely to appeal to more people than the gray. :thumbup:
 
JNewell said:
My WAG may have been to high, but I would expect this one to go higher than the gray 20CP, if only because the steel performance is roughly the same and the color is likely to appeal to more people than the gray. :thumbup:
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The gray G10 isn't the best choice if you care about how it looks after you carry it for a while.Mine looks like it put in a week working in a coal mine,but the blade steel is superb,just doesn't look as good as it cuts.
 
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