Perfect survival rifle

[Fieldtestornothing]

If I could chime in for a sec, I have a Ruger MK II pistol, with a integrated dry baffel suppressor. I have a class III lisence for it and honestly it is the bug out tool of choice for me. It also looks exactly like a 6 inched bull barelled MK II except for the front of the barrel which has a screw off top to allow for removal of the baffels. Loaded with CCI sub-sonics it is an excellent tool, for game gathering. One thing I have noticed is that while shooting game, the report doesn't alert anyone, or any other animals that your in the area. Which I think is very beneficial. I have never owned a Benji, but would agree that it probably would have the same advantages as the MK II with the addition of a longer sight radias. Although probably just a little less powerful I would think it would be an excellent tool. Not an expert, just my .02

 

[SkunkWerX]

There are also sites selling the bits and pieces to make an AR15 and even a 1022 fully automatic. Don't do it. Yes, you can legally own a full auto. Or a cannon. Or a supressor. You have to register it and apply for a license. I'm not sure what all that entails because I am not interested in doing so. I am sure there are gunsmiths that can tell you. Ask Sammy Weaver what happens when you "oops" a shotgun 1/2" under legal length. Nope. Not interested here.

Codger

Codger is "on the money" on this one.

It is illegal to even own a silencer, much less install it.
It is even illegal to own the parts that would easily "make" a silencer.
The Feds DO NOT want you to have one, period.

You can do the Class 2 or Class 3 thing, get the back-ground check and finger printed, but then you are subject to search and seizure. You sign a little paper waving that right, when you go Class 2 / 3.

In the paintball world we contacted BATF and they gave thumbs down to even a Paintball silencer, they feel it could too easily be converted for use on a real firearm. If SHTF, I can make several different types of silencers/suppressors , but until then, not going near that kinda stuff.
Your talking federal time. no joke.

Chris, very nice Sheriden. growing up I had use of my uncles, it was a 5mm (.20) , if I remember correctly, I know becuase I had to beg my dad to find the ammo, .177's were everywhere, but only one store had the 5mms.

For a wilderness survival grub getter, air rifles have a lot going for them. You can eat a long time on squirrel, rabbit, birds, etc. Ammo is super cheap, and you can haul a years worth in a small pouch. The queit part would also come in handy if you were trying to be a little discrete.

I've currently got a Chinco .177 , but it shoots plenty fine.
It hangs in the workshop as a vermin eradicator.

Also still have my dad's orignal post WW2 Diasy Red Ryder.
It still works!
I need to do a little restore on it. Ironically, I checked around, figuring it may have some collectors value...and Zip. nada. More valauble as a piece of Americana to me, anyway.

 

[upnorth]

I use a cheap little Crossman 781 to kill ptarmagin and grouse with pointed .177 hunting pellets. I also killed a rabbit last fall that I saw sitting under an evergreen, while picking up a grouse. This thing is mandated to under 500 ft per second for Canada's new gun laws. I sold off all my guns years back when the laws became incredibly ridiculous up here. However, if I do get back into it, I'd HAVE to have a Ruger 1022 in stainless, maybe with a 4x Bushnell scope. I'd also get a Remington 12 guage pump. Actually I've thought for years now, that those old over/under rifle/shotgun combos that Savage sells would be the ideal ticket. Say a 30 30 and 12 or 20 guage combo. Kill bear,moose,caribou,deer etc. and still have the scatter gun for birds/rabbits. It is actually hard to kill with a pellet gun as I go for head/neck shots. I have seen ptarmagin shot through the neck and walk around poping out a blood drop on each side as they walk and walk and walk. I'd say that you have to actually hunt, and not just shoot, with a pellet gun, as you should be close for humane kills. I get as close as I possibly can and use a rest whenever possible, rock/bush whatever. My choice for ONE survival gun..the Savage over/under combo in 30 30/ 12 guage.

 

[runningboar]

In a lot of states suppressors are legal and easy to get, all you have to do is fill out the applicable paper work get the sherriff to sign off on it and then pay a 200 dollar fee, then buy the silencer from 200 to 500 dollars. Think about it a minute, if something goes bad wrong who are the local authorities going to visit first.

As far as ninja guns there is just me my wife and my son, realistically who are we going to fight off, I have been to war. I think me and my family had better stick to stealth and blend in with the masses, I will only show my teeth if I have no other choice. I have powder burning guns and I always have a few with me but discreetly busting a few squirrel noggins, quail, robins, doves and rabbits with nobody the wiser makes sense to me. I don't care what anyone says a tricked out assault weapon or suppressed 22 would, will, and does draw more attention to you, which is something I don't want, SHTF or not. Chris

 

[beaterAR]

It is easy to LEGALY own a silencer , I do think the bull you have to go through to do it is dumb. There is a compleat how to over at AR15.com on how to build a silencer after getting approval from the ATF. It Would take a well stocked machine shop to compleat a silencer of any sort of real use that would stand up to much more then 22LR. The military is contracting people right now to make the silencer that all battle troops will be issued. Even if you dont use sub sonic ammo, it dose stop the muzzle blast so the shooter cant be located, The only boom you will hear is the bullet breaking the sound barrier. With the modern silencers out there you dont loose any acuracy, you actually gain some bullet speed, you suffer no hearing damage from you gunfire, your shooting position is much harder to located, the negitive is alittle extra weight and length.

Anyway its easy and compleatly legal provided you play there game and pay there bribe.

 

[Vee3]

Here's an earlier one that I've done a bit of work on...

I think one of the H&R Handi-rifles would make a good survival rifle. They can be had in anything from 17 to 500 S&W to shotgun with lots of possible stock, sight and bbl configurations. A rimfire H&R can be had for 1/2 the price of a basic model German made spring-powered airgun...

Or you could go totally nuts and get one of these...

 

[runningboar]

Vee,

That streak is to die for, thanks for the idea on the front sight with a close up pic.:thumbup: Also cool job on shortening the 45-70 looked at lots of those and never thought about a short barrelled one. Makes much more sense, that steel butt plate is no fun though I think a good pad would be first on my list.

I have always been a fan of the H&Rs myself and have owned several, right now I have one of their Survivors in .223 handy little package. Chris

EDIT: That short barrelled 410 might actually be "The Perfect Survival Gun" suitable for game up to deer and pigs with slugs, kills small game with aplomb, and doesn't take much skill to use, point and shoot, only problem is noise, which only matters if you have to be stealthy.

 

[jackknife]

A nice air rifle is a must for a survival senerio around any population center like a city or large town. The ability to harvest dove, squirel, and rabitt without somebody the next block over is very important. Even a .22 is going to be heard down the street. As far as leagal silenced .22's, I don't want my name on any paperwork having to do with the ATF goons if I can help it.

 

[akennedy73]

That's a gorgeous rifle you got runningboar - take good care of it. I've always considered air rifles probably the best survival rifle - along with .22 rimfires and muzzleloaders.

I've got a XS-B510 in .177 that I mounted a rail and scope on (the factory iron sights aren't very good) - it's pretty accurate and very compact since it has a collapsible stock:

I've read that you should store it with one pump in order to preserve its ability to pressurize - so that's what I do with mine.

 

[upnorth]

Vee,


EDIT: That short barrelled 410 might actually be "The Perfect Survival Gun" suitable for game up to deer and pigs with slugs, kills small game with aplomb, and doesn't take much skill to use, point and shoot, only problem is noise, which only matters if you have to be stealthy.

I kept track of a native hunter here last fall as he went through the hills knocking down grouse with a 410. He was using 2.5 inch #4's. The sound of his 410 wasn't that bad really because the hills and or trees muffled a lot of the noise. A 410 goes crack were a 12 goes boom. In a fairly wooded area the muzzle blast is muted significantly. It also didn't seem to bother the birds much as he nailed them left and right. Natives here have no hunting limits, when hunting for food. Part of their treaty rights. I had a 410 as a youngster and I love them. Might get another in the future. The real issue around here is ammunition. The 12 is so much more popular that you can get the a box of shells at a significantly lower price than 410's. A 410 or a .22 would be great for the wife to use. Even as a kid I could pop it off with one arm.

 

[Vee3]

Vee,

That streak is to die for, thanks for the idea on the front sight with a close up pic.:thumbup: Also cool job on shortening the 45-70 looked at lots of those and never thought about a short barrelled one. Makes much more sense, that steel butt plate is no fun though I think a good pad would be first on my list.

I have always been a fan of the H&Rs myself and have owned several, right now I have one of their Survivors in .223 handy little package. Chris

EDIT: That short barrelled 410 might actually be "The Perfect Survival Gun" suitable for game up to deer and pigs with slugs, kills small game with aplomb, and doesn't take much skill to use, point and shoot, only problem is noise, which only matters if you have to be stealthy.

Actually, the "45-70" is a .223 heavy bbl cut to 18" with the Buffalo Classic stock set. No pad required . If it were a 45-70, it could double as a flamethrower.

I hear H&R is coming out with a 410/rimfire (With offset rimfire bbl so it can be used on the same frame as the 410 bbl) combo gun again.

 

[GibsonFan]

Vee3, sorry if this sounds retarded, but what kind of dresser is that gun sitting on? That's some nice flame on the drawer fronts! The gunstock's none too shabby, either

I hear H&R is coming out with a 410/rimfire (With offset rimfire bbl so it can be used on the same frame as the 410 bbl) combo gun again.

That would be SWEET. My first firearm was a clip-fed, bolt-action H&R .22, very plain-jane, but solid and consistent. My dad still has it :thumbup: He always wanted a combo like that, and I'm convinced it would be pretty cool.

 

[Vee3]

Vee3, sorry if this sounds retarded, but what kind of dresser is that gun sitting on? That's some nice flame on the drawer fronts! The gunstock's none too shabby, either



That would be SWEET. My first firearm was a clip-fed, bolt-action H&R .22, very plain-jane, but solid and consistent. My dad still has it :thumbup: He always wanted a combo like that, and I'm convinced it would be pretty cool.

GibsonFan,

I dunno much about the dresser - It was found in the back of my wife's grandmother's garage full of junk after she passed. It looked almost black when we got it, but I could see that it was nice under all the gunk. I restored it, and now it's in our bedroom. Much better than the stuff I've seen at Ikea, that's for sure.

Here's a stock that matches the wood on the dresser better...

 

[mr_wilson]

My dad bought me my first rifle at the age of 8, it was a Sheridan Silver Streak .177 cal, not unlike the pellet rifle shown.

Still have it up at the farm and although it was once returned for pump work near 30 years ago, having been just flat shot too much, over pumped and had the seals worn out; given that I am now 52 (making the pellet rifle 44 years old) it still shoots as well as it ever did.

Nowdays we don't pump it up as much as did as a youngster, seems 8 pumps does a good job for most applications, which is probably why it's lasted much longer and still works very well.

If your blued version was made as well as my old Silver Streak it should be good pellet rifle for quite some time.

mike

 

[lmalterna]

My ideal(but unrealized) is a baby rolling block in .357- chromed or duracoated for corrosion resistance. Ammo can be scrounged anywhere and easy reloaded with hand tools and with .38 sub 148gr loads, great for small game and not overly loud- up to full house .357 for deer/pig. Few moving parts to break.
Current is stainless/laminated 10/22.

Bill

 

[tallpaul]

It is illegal to even own a silencer, much less install it.
It is even illegal to own the parts that would easily "make" a silencer.
The Feds DO NOT want you to have one, period.

You can do the Class 2 or Class 3 thing, get the back-ground check and finger printed, but then you are subject to search and seizure. You sign a little paper waving that right, when you go Class 2 / 3.

In the paintball world we contacted BATF and they gave thumbs down to even a Paintball silencer, they feel it could too easily be converted for use on a real firearm. If SHTF, I can make several different types of silencers/suppressors , but until then, not going near that kinda stuff.
Your talking federal time. no joke.

OOOH EVERYONE be afraid of the booger man :yawn:

They are not illegal in all areas - restricted yes. You sound like a typical guy who is afraid of it so you "poo -poo" the value of such restricted items is both under and over rated. I NEVER signed anything giving away my rights as far as search n siesure and in the over 15 years I have had my stuff the atf has never come a knockin. Nor have they any of my friends other than the class 2 dealer/manufacturers I know- and they were records keeping/security checks- not "witch hunts". If they want to see something they generally will make an appointment and if you are not bein looked at for other "activity" you only show the item they want to see. Not a sweep of all. If you are in gray areas or have other stuff goin on ya should worry. Most of us in the game do NOT- that is why we pay to be legal.

The paintbal and airgun silencers are an issue UNLESS they are done in permanent "shroud" form. The detatchable ones are the ones that have been deemed a problem by the batf.

So I would appreciate it for one if you and others quit spreading your tainted lies and paranoia about the class three world I beleive there is enough out there already

 

[wayne37]

To me , survival is just that ....survival , if a firearm is available my pick would be whats available at the time. For me a .22 auto would be good or even any centerfire rifle. Lets face it , if survival means being lost , the louder the report ,the better.

 

[runningboar]

Tallpaul,

I am in the class 3 "world" too, and I understand what you are saying and agree with you for the most part. However in a Katrina type situation our doors will probably be the first ones knocked on, also the kitted up guns, as I have said over and over, draw unwanted attention to yourself. You know it's true, take a suppressed SBR select fire of your choice to a public range and see what happens, that is attention that I don't want. Not because I am doing anything illegal but because I want to blend in.

I had a friend drive through the gates of a military installation with a full kitted Remington 1187 shotgun, magazine extension, pistol grip black stock, and an EOTech on the way thought the gate he got pulled for a random check. Everything he had was perfectly legal and legal to bring on post, the gate guards hassled the crap out of him. I routinely get pulled with the same exact shotgun in non ninja form and the only problem I have is not divulging my favorite hunting spots. In a SHTF situation multiply that by a million. Chris

 

[tallpaul]

To get hassled over thier paranoia is kinda scary unless you stand your ground. I would have had the boss on the phone if possible if not I am sure the GOA or NRA would be happy to talk to them. If I am legal I am legal... the locals in a situation have just been told on a federal level that the katrina actions were and are illegal. They will have to pay for their mistakes- if the folk don't give up. Keep rollin over and hide and we loose even more. I guess I am not worried about "attention" Heck I even talk of Jesus in public

 

[runningboar]

To get hassled over thier paranoia is kinda scary unless you stand your ground. I would have had the boss on the phone if possible if not I am sure the GOA or NRA would be happy to talk to them. If I am legal I am legal... the locals in a situation have just been told on a federal level that the katrina actions were and are illegal. They will have to pay for their mistakes- if the folk don't give up. Keep rollin over and hide and we loose even more. I guess I am not worried about "attention" Heck I even talk of Jesus in public

You fight the good fight brother, I will fade into the background.

BTW military installations, like Ft Bragg, are Federal and if you have the pull to have a 2 or 3 star general on the phone you get on down with your bad self.

As far as Katrina, so what it was determined to be illegal now, they still took their guns and left them unprotected, get robbed and your head bashed in it doesn't do any good for it to be illegal a year later. Chris