Pictures of fake Large Regular Sebenza.

Gravelface · Feb 20, 2012

lemmuhj said:
That's why making sure you keep the birth card with your CRK's is so important. I know, i know...they can duplicate those(haven't seen any yet), but that along with the manf dates/codes inside the handles really help authenticate reals from fakes.

Any other ideas that CRK could consider to help deter these a holes?

I have a older BG 42 with no birthday card and no date codes inside the handle..........it's authenticity has never been in question. I wouldn't rely on a piece of paper. Education in the product is our best defense against fraud.

richstag · Mar 11, 2012

Haze said:

I started carrying my Large Regular this week again. I don't think any of my sebenzas have those milled grooves around the perimeter of the handle slabs.

When did they do this?

Thanks

Haze · Mar 11, 2012

There are some old Regular frames that have them and some that don't. I was bit surprised to see that the fake knife had this. My real Sebenza in that picture was made in 2000, or at least the handle slabs were.

richstag said:
I started carrying my Large Regular this week again. I don't think any of my sebenzas have those milled grooves around the perimeter of the handle slabs.

When did they do this?

Thanks

richstag · Mar 12, 2012

Thanks for that Haze. Mine are newer then 2000. Thanks for all the pics and details also. That is surprising to me too BTW.

espnazi · Mar 12, 2012

Future warning the maker of these is coming out with possibly more models. I believe a Mnandi is going to be released in a couple of months. From what I've heard they are doing them in 440C or D2 while also making a few in S35VN(20-30pcs), how he is getting S35 in China I don't know.

They should be easy to tell apart from the real deal because of the sterile knives, the only problem is that other retailers in china have recently bought some and added the CR logo.

Tsujigiri · Mar 13, 2012

Those actually look pretty high quality. For a group of manufacturers who seem to pander to a knowledgeable group of knife users, these guys are sure slow to catch on to the fact that most knife people would rather buy an original design than a fake. It's not like it's that hard to change the design a little so it doesn't look like a blatant ripoff.

Steel_Addiction · Mar 13, 2012

Tsujigiri said:
Those actually look pretty high quality. For a group of manufacturers who seem to pander to a knowledgeable group of knife users, these guys are sure slow to catch on to the fact that most knife people would rather buy an original design than a fake. It's not like it's that hard to change the design a little so it doesn't look like a blatant ripoff.

That's what I don't get.

They have all the machines and tooling, they could make something of their own design and it would probably sell better.

Haze · Mar 13, 2012

Steel_Addiction said:
That's what I don't get.

They have all the machines and tooling, they could make something of their own design and it would probably sell better.

That's not how things work in China, I don't want to sound like I'm swining a big brush about here but I have lived over here for a number of years. Living off someone elses back and riding the coat tailes of other is a way of life. The attitude boils down to why should they bother, the Sebenza is a sort after and well recognised knife so they want to copy it and that is about as far as the thinking goes. If a Chinese no name company make a knife no one will buy it and they know it regardless of how good it is, not to mention the amount of work they would have to do......it's easier just to copy someone else.

Even when it comes to custom knife makers over here there are not many makers I will buy knives from at all. I see a lot of blatant copying going on as well as the expected lying, back stabbing, spying, false rumour spreading etc. etc......:thumbdn:

Tsujigiri · Mar 14, 2012

espnazi said:
Future warning the maker of these is coming out with possibly more models. I believe a Mnandi is going to be released in a couple of months. From what I've heard they are doing them in 440C or D2 while also making a few in S35VN(20-30pcs), how he is getting S35 in China I don't know.

They should be easy to tell apart from the real deal because of the sterile knives, the only problem is that other retailers in china have recently bought some and added the CR logo.

Do you know if this maker is planning to copy other knives? CRK's are pretty hard to fake convincingly to someone who's familiar with the real thing, but I'd think that this maker could cause some serious confusion if he started making copies of knives with less attention to detail.

espnazi · Mar 14, 2012

Tsujigiri said:
Do you know if this maker is planning to copy other knives? CRK's are pretty hard to fake convincingly to someone who's familiar with the real thing, but I'd think that this maker could cause some serious confusion if he started making copies of knives with less attention to detail.

He is making the XM-18 fakes/clones and is planning on making a run of XM-24 in S35VN. You can easily tell the Hinderer Fakes because this maker adds a steel insert to the titanium locking side a la Lionsteel.

marthinus · Mar 14, 2012

espnazi said:
He is making the XM-18 fakes/clones and is planning on making a run of XM-24 in S35VN. You can easily tell the Hinderer Fakes because this maker adds a steel insert to the titanium locking side a la Lionsteel.

I hope CRK and Hinderer can get this sorted, Spyderco had a major bust on fakes and clones and hope the same can be done here.

My opinion stated. I dont know how the laws would work.

Tsujigiri · Mar 14, 2012

Hmmm, I don't see the Hinderer fakes becoming anywhere near as widespread as the others. It's a much less well-known brand, and if buyers want a cheaper Hinderer they can now get one of his collaborations with Kershaw/ZT.

Tsujigiri · Mar 14, 2012

Pfffft. Just looked it up. Hopefully these "Hinurer" knives in "CTS-/HP" steel don't start flooding the market.

jacksterp · Mar 14, 2012

And, they even take Paypal.

espnazi · Mar 14, 2012

Tsujigiri said:
Pfffft. Just looked it up. Hopefully these "Hinurer" knives in "CTS-/HP" steel don't start flooding the market.

Actually those are engravings done by someone who bought them and is reselling them. You can easily tell since the engravings are of much lower quality compared to the rest of the machining of the knife. Some of these clone Sebenza have also popped up with a really crude CR logo.

Here is a thread of the current XM-18 fakes started by another member:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/934383-More-XM-Fakes-Hitting-the-Market

swatbwana · Mar 29, 2012

Great thread.. I just was able to spot a fake at the local Gun show last weekend, the detent hole and no blue anodizing on the opposite side of the thumb stud gave it away. It had CR markings and a pouch no birth certificate.
Also the lanyard cross piece was flat against the knife frame, the real sebby has a slight dishing to both sides..

I told the seller it was a fake and he said no , he then took the knife and put it back in the case and walked away.

these are getting very close.

Steel_Addiction · Mar 29, 2012

swatbwana said:
Great thread.. I just was able to spot a fake at the local Gun show last weekend, the detent hole and no blue anodizing on the opposite side of the thumb stud gave it away. It had CR markings and a pouch no birth certificate.
Also the lanyard cross piece was flat against the knife frame, the real sebby has a slight dishing to both sides..

I told the seller it was a fake and he said no , he then took the knife and put it back in the case and walked away.

these are getting very close.

Do you remember who the seller was? Did he have a card or any contact information?

I wonder where he bought it.

swatbwana · Mar 29, 2012

Steel_Addiction said:
Do you remember who the seller was? Did he have a card or any contact information?

I wonder where he bought it.

I remember him no card it was at the Ga Mnt center, he had four tables in the center isle, nothing else I recognized, a few older buck fixed knives and a bunch of commercial stuff from cold steel. The only other kinda cool stuff was a WWI looking trench knife, I could not give you an idea if it was legit or not, my guess is not.

swatbwana · Mar 29, 2012

Steel_Addiction said:
That's what I don't get.

They have all the machines and tooling, they could make something of their own design and it would probably sell better.

Yes but I looked at what it takes to properly heat treat D2 which is what they claim they are making the fakes from...That is not the easiest steel to porperly heat treat and temper...

my guess is the fakes will look good for a few months then the blades will have issues with hardness cracking etc...

Haze · Mar 29, 2012

My guess is that the blade is not D2......

swatbwana said:
Yes but I looked at what it takes to properly heat treat D2 which is what they claim they are making the fakes from...That is not the easiest steel to porperly heat treat and temper...

my guess is the fakes will look good for a few months then the blades will have issues with hardness cracking etc...