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So you're talking a bunch of trash about a company because you're mad they're talking trash? And then making certain judgement calls about people who talk trash. Hmmmmmmm.
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PM2 Compresssion Lock vs the Cold Steel Holdout 2 Triad Lock
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So you're talking a bunch of trash about a company because you're mad they're talking trash? And then making certain judgement calls about people who talk trash. Hmmmmmmm.
I like to tailor my response to my audience. So this is a trash talking thread. Ask and yea shall receive. Other threads get a different response.
The problem with the these folks is that they only have that one card in their deck. The ace of clubs doesn't win every hand by default.
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Do you own any of their knives?
I don't post youtube reviews on anything, nor do I watch them to influence my purchasing decisions. I guess that testing apparatus isn't bolted to the floor as they probably just wheel that thing out when they want to sell people on something that don't understand how kinetic energy works. A lot of companies develop a technology and go looking for a problem to solve. All this does is make it look like CS doesn't support the American notion of the free market, perhaps they've been manufacturing in APAC too long.
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Huh? How is direct testing against a competitor anything but expression of the free market?
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Good point on being USA made raising the price. Two of the knives you listed are full Ti on one or both sides including milling for locks driving up materials and machining costs rather than just thin liners with a couple holes drilled into them. In the instance of CRK people pay for the awesome fit and finish ( something Chris Reeves has made a name on).
We'll see when it comes out how it turns out
How much does a midtech Strider or Hinderer run? The midtech version is what you are pricing (MSRP-it will go for less with the dealers), is in the same category as those knives. The Demko custom, which it is based on, goes for over 2 grand.
Easy Tiger. The video against the Tatanka, left me so impressed with Spyderco's power lock, that I have a Tatanka on the way. It also left me impressed with Benchmade's axis lock.
I remember as a kid, a truck commercial (I can't remember if it was Ford or Chevy) where the advertisers truck beat their rival's truck at tug of war. I was not all "angruh" about it. Then again, I own both Fords and Chevys, so I don't know, I guess is I based my self worth on the company's I like, maybe it would bother me.
No. Calling out someone talking trash is not talking trash, it's an observation. Pointing at the pile and saying "that's sh*t" does not turn the speaker into dogsh*t. It isn't zero-sum. Your actions don't cancel.
And really, he's right. The vocal Cold Steel fans I have encountered of heard tell about have been obsessed with the idea that CS makes better knives for every use case and situation than every other manufacturer, bar none.
That's impossible, thus they're wrong, thus they're annoying because they're bashing other people's opinions in the service of a belief which cannot be true.
No; I'm not in their denominator.
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Repeated accusations of intellectual property theft goes far beyond a call out. When the accusations are painfully obviously unfounded and no retraction is offered, you're talking trash. Please try to keep up.
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I think you mean demographic. So you're also making statements that you have no way of knowing the truth of one way or the other. Yet again, just talking trash.
No I mean not their denominator; the lowest common one that you'll never go broke selling too.
I may not be able to applaud their knives but everything else they do is textbook. I do feel bad for that Andrew guy hitching his star to them. That was a mistake.
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I'm sure all the money he's making will assuage any injury that mistake might bring. And using denominator there doesn't actually make any sense.
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We'll see if it's in the same category. On paper I can get ZT Hinderers that look similar (204p, Ti and CF) for less. Or (ZT Sinkevich, Rexford, Benchamde, Spyderco (Gayle Bradley especially)) knives similarly. A Custom maker and big company collab isnt a new thing. With respect to to CRK it'll be interesting to see the fit and finish CS puts out.
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The thing that bothers me about this thread isn't the negativity directed at either company, though I've happily defended both. No, it's the sheer dishonesty on both sides.
Loving Cold Steel a whole bunch doesn't justify outrageous statements about the capabilities of the knives in question, nor comments about Mr. Glesser.
Hating Cold Steel a whole bunch doesn't justify blatantly false accusations and pathetic attempts to rip on products you've barely handled, much less owned.
Diogenes would most certainly weep at the painful lack of intellectual honesty.
Loving Cold Steel a whole bunch doesn't justify outrageous statements about the capabilities of the knives in question, nor comments about Mr. Glesser.
Hating Cold Steel a whole bunch doesn't justify blatantly false accusations and pathetic attempts to rip on products you've barely handled, much less owned.
Diogenes would most certainly weep at the painful lack of intellectual honesty.
If you can call that testing! :yawn:
I kid, I've enjoyed your thoughts on culinary knives in the kitchen threads for some time. Having some fun aside, I don't disagree with you one bit, as long as those tests are done fairly is all. Even better would be an independent third party to execute the testing.
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OK, another example. Emerson Super Roadhouse with 4.2" blade. 154CM + G-10 + ti liner lock + USA made = almost $300.
I don't think that CS folders are superior but they're mostly reasonably priced or sometimes overpriced just like other brands. But someone can always create his own theory what I've had in mind. Danke has already shown that he just throwing accusations without verifying the facts.
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Really? The whole lowest common denominator idiom doesn't make sense to you?
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You just had to bring denominators into it, didn't you?
Well...you asked for it.
[video=youtube;SV_s0Q48R6c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV_s0Q48R6c[/video]
Hah, take that!
