PM2 Compresssion Lock vs the Cold Steel Holdout 2 Triad Lock

Stays Sharp said:
Interesting rhetoric from the Cold Steel side of things. While true that Sal is not God, it is interesting how a CS faithful describes Demko as this knife superstar aweing and shocking the knife world with every move he makes lmao. If one popular guy doesn't awe you, it also means the guy that does awe you probably doesn't do it for everyone either.

Are they on the same level? It would be a very personal answer and every one has the right to an opinion. Being 40 years his senior though, Sal has a big head start... Do we go by gross sales? Sheer amount of patents and innovations? Oh yes, we can also go by which knife, lock, and/or company we like better: There we can undoubtedly say that they are on the same plane :confused::rolleyes:
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How about the knives they directly make and design themselves? Knife v knife from the company's they own. That would be Demko Knives, against the Golden, CO Spyderco's.
 
ursamajor said:
How about the knives they directly make and design themselves? Knife v knife from the company's they own. That would be Demko Knives, against the Golden, CO Spyderco's.
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See, even then- again the answer you would get to that will be purely based on opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but not as solid as gross sales which wouldn't be fair either. With the headstart Sal has, he has designs going back to the 80's that are still in production and are still in high demand.

Then you can say "well Andrew's knives can spine whack a million times and his only lock he ever created is the strongest so they are even" but what about the big portion of knife guys who can care less about those traits. What else... Paying attention to weight, edge geometry, listening to customer feedback since BF existed....It is easy to say that Demko does all of this and maybe even better but the people who claim that Sal pays attention to ergos, weight, knife laws, geometry, steel choice etc arent just parroting a narrative either.
 
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Stays Sharp said:
See, even then- again the answer you would get to that will be purely based on opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but not as solid as gross sales which wouldn't be fair either. With the headstart Sal has, he has designs going back to the 80's that are still in production and are still in high demand.
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As pure designers-innovation, melding form and function, ergonomics, pushing the limits of materials, blade geometries, etc...I would say they are neck and neck. You can search my posts, and see that I have said as such in the past.

Sal's most notable innovations
The Spyderhole
The Pocket Clip
The Compression Lock
The Power Lock

Andrew's most notable innovations
The Wave-able Thumb Plate
The Triad Lock
The Linerless Locking Folder
The lock yet to be named on the AD15.

Again, I'd say equal footing. The thing that separates them from the pack, is that they bring new things to the market-not just try to refine, or modify existing designs.
 
Stays Sharp said:
See, even then- again the answer you would get to that will be purely based on opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but not as solid as gross sales which wouldn't be fair either. With the headstart Sal has, he has designs going back to the 80's that are still in production and are still in high demand.

Then you can say "well Andrew's knives can spine whack a million times and his only lock he ever created is the strongest so they are even" but what about the big portion of knife guys who can care less about those traits. What else... Paying attention to weight, edge geometry, listening to customer feedback since BF existed....It is easy to say that Demko does all of this and maybe even better but the people who claim that Sal pays attention to ergos, weight, knife laws, geometry, steel choice etc arent just parroting a narrative either.
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Uhm, Andrew has created more locks than just the Triad.

Ah swing and a miss!
 
ursamajor said:
As pure designers-innovation, melding form and function, ergonomics, pushing the limits of materials, blade geometries, etc...I would say they are neck and neck. You can search my posts, and see that I have said as such in the past.

Sal's most notable innovations
The Spyderhole
The Pocket Clip
The Compression Lock
The Power Lock

Andrew's most notable innovations
The Wave-able Thumb Plate
The Triad Lock
The Linerless Locking Folder
The lock yet to be named on the AD15.

Again, I'd say equal footing. The thing that separates them from the pack, is that they bring new things to the market-not just try to refine, or modify existing designs.
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Whatever the case, they will both be in business for years to come :thumbup:
 
ursamajor said:
Uhm, Andrew has created more locks than just the Triad.

Ah swing and a miss!
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Uh oh watch out! He got me there!

Want to do a numbers count? Whoever has more wins? :D::yawn:

Then you're gonna say "well the Triad is the strongest...quality over quantity".

If the strongest lock in history is all that counts, everyone else would be out of business. But as we all know, that is not the case by any stretch of the imagination so just warning you...You can't pull the strongest card without considering that many others value other lock's traits also.

Like... holy shit, a backlock with a stop pin is the biggest advancement in humankind...Well it is slightly more advanced than coming up with a hole :p
 
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Personally I don't care so much about these awards and titles. I care much more about existing knives and how good they are made. Both companies have good knives and some stuff I don't esteem.

BTW

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The American Tanto, sometimes called the Americanized or Westernized Tanto, is a newer blade format that was popularized in the 80's by American knife company Cold Steel. In fact, the American Tanto pattern is probably what put Cold Steel on the map, and made them as popular as they are today.
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C'mon you know who we mean; Lynn C Thompson he's everyone's favorite warrior slash ninja. It's a crime he's not in the cutlery hall of fame what with his tiger fork and his rhino spoon.

It looks like that Andrew guy is just copying Medford knives with a backlock. He's going to have to go outside the box to reach the next level.
 
Danke42 said:
It looks like that Andrew guy is just copying Medford knives with a backlock.
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No it doesn't.
Not at all.

How about the Finn Wolf, to name just one?
The Espada and Rajah series don't look like Medford at all.

You can hate the company, and you can even hate the knives, but don't go around slinging lies while you're at it.
 
Danke42 said:
C'mon you know who we mean; Lynn C Thompson he's everyone's favorite warrior slash ninja. It's a crime he's not in the cutlery hall of fame what with his tiger fork and his rhino spoon.

It looks like that Andrew guy is just copying Medford knives with a backlock. He's going to have to go outside the box to reach the next level.
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Lynn Thompson was never a part of the conversation. IDK how you inferred that he was the person being referenced, as he was never even added to the conversation prior to you. May as well assume that he is calling Abraham Lincoln a "ninja". Or maybe he was calling Mahatma Gandhi a "ninja". King Arthur? They all have that 1 thing in common with Lynn Thompson...that being that none of them were ever a part of the discussion he and I was having.
 
Danke42 said:
C'mon you know who we mean; Lynn C Thompson he's everyone's favorite warrior slash ninja. It's a crime he's not in the cutlery hall of fame what with his tiger fork and his rhino spoon.

It looks like that Andrew guy is just copying Medford knives with a backlock. He's going to have to go outside the box to reach the next level.
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I don't know what knives you are looking at, but Medfords and Demko's don't look anything alike, save that they have blades made of steel.
 
Incoming Opinions:

The Triad Lock and A. Demko: Awesome!
Lynn Thompson: Chaotic Neutral, gets plenty of hate, deserves some of it, and also pretty legendary in his own right.
COLDSTEEL: Meh, as of now, but looking much better with the direction the company is going, no small thanks to Andrew Demko.

Sal Glesser: A Living Saint and Legend among knife lovers and lesser men, alike. Sal Bless.
Spyderco: "Hey, I heard you like knives and actually intend to use them? Great, because we have some kind of magical Voodoo that makes us able to make knives made for your hand instead of just looking handsome being photographed with shell casings."

Lock Strength: A well made lock suits me fine. I do not require DEMKO level peace of mind, but I do appreciate it.
 
Danke42 said:
C'mon you know who we mean; Lynn C Thompson he's everyone's favorite warrior slash ninja. It's a crime he's not in the cutlery hall of fame what with his tiger fork and his rhino spoon.

It looks like that Andrew guy is just copying Medford knives with a backlock. He's going to have to go outside the box to reach the next level.
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You committing now hate crime.
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Probably nobody heard abut Medford overbuild folders when Demko was making first knives with triadlock like American Lawman. Because Lawman is from ~2008, Medford started ~2012.
 
Danke42 said:
C'mon you know who we mean; Lynn C Thompson he's everyone's favorite warrior slash ninja. It's a crime he's not in the cutlery hall of fame what with his tiger fork and his rhino spoon.

It looks like that Andrew guy is just copying Medford knives with a backlock. He's going to have to go outside the box to reach the next level.
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You're either blind or crazy to think that.
 
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