PM2 Compresssion Lock vs the Cold Steel Holdout 2 Triad Lock

Congratulations on having a strong lock design. The whole company is resting on that patent. They don't reinvent anything else. Ever. Same heavy, non-ergonomic, shitty knives made somewhere else! I cut with the sharp side, and I don't plan on hanging from it- I'll take the made in the USA Spyderco anyday. After a trip to Golden and touching steel girdles from the World Trade Center, they have a customer for life.
 
scoutchris said:
Congratulations on having a strong lock design. The whole company is resting on that patent. They don't reinvent anything else. Ever. Same heavy, non-ergonomic, shitty knives made somewhere else! I cut with the sharp side, and I don't plan on hanging from it- I'll take the made in the USA Spyderco anyday. After a trip to Golden and touching steel girdles from the World Trade Center, they have a customer for life.
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Heavy compared to what? Again, it's totally fine to dislike Cold Steel and and to avoid their products, but your assessment of them betrays either a deep bias or blatant ignorance of their products.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
You're moving the goal posts here. My answer was addressing your comment about the overall quality of Cold Steel knives. I don't like their shenanigans, but they put out a good, consistent product. If we're going to get accurate assessments it's important to separate feelings about the company from the overall performance of their products.
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That looks good on paper. But people don't like to buy from people they don't like. And with all the good, consistent product that's available out there, people don't have to buy from people they don't like. They can buy good, consistent product from people they do like instead.
 
SBaker34 said:
My PM2 is my favorite knife, I don't trust linerlocks as I've had a junk one that would shut for any reason, and a kershaw skyline that would shut if dropped into wood point first, and almost took my finger off when stuck into a tree if not for the choil.

I'm with you that having a tougher lock doesn't make it better than the PM2, but its interesting, personally I don't think I'll use my PM2 to hammer nails so I'm not worried.






That's kind of the debate. In my experience the lock is tested in stabbing an object, and accidentally whacking the edge in tight spaces, as that's impossible to test reliably, that's why the worst case tests interesting in my mind. However obviously the real question is, in actual use does the stress on the lock even get CLOSE to the force applied here? There's a certain point where a heavier lock just adds expense and potential difficulty in operation with zero reasonable safety improvement.
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Exactly, like many people not being able to close the Triad lock with one hand. I value being able to open and close a knife with one hand, every time.

However, I am not a knife fanboy. I love spyderco more then most brands, only because of their knife designs and steel options. I could like any other knife just as much or more if it had aspects I liked. I don't care who made it, if its good, its good.

I don't own any cold steel knives, but I have been interested in the Triad lock. I think they have some cheap stuff, but their higher end knives are getting more and more appealing to me. Design wise, meh. Not a huge fan of how most of their knives look. I am however putting a triad lock cold steel on my wish list now. I've definitely wanted to get something from them for a while, and I hopefully I will soon.
 
bld522 said:
That looks good on paper. But people don't like to buy from people they don't like. And with all the good, consistent product that's available out there, people don't have to buy from people they don't like. They can buy good, consistent product from people they do like instead.
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Completely agree, but I think it's important to understand why you are or are not buying something. It's all too easy to decide that because you dislike someone that that person is stupid or incompetent when neither is true.
 
Tdhurl1103 said:
I'm wondering why this was moved out of the Spyderco sub to Gen Dis.

It's Spyderco specific.
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I feel the opposite. I believe all of the CS BRO propaganda belongs in their own sub forum so they can all pat themselves on the back every time
their knife "wins" in their next in-house testing video. Testing of a design element probably not even in my top 10 features considered when buying a knife.

It's kind of like if they made a mini-van that was really awesome at drag racing. Then they suggested every other company's mini-vans were inferior because
they were not as good at drag racing.
 
I like the tests personally as long as you take them with a grain of salt and realize it's only one aspect of a knife's appeal. I don't own a single cold steel knife but frankly I think the videos are done pretty fairly and it's not showing us anything we didn't already know about the weaknesses of the liner/frame lock designs. I thought/hoped the compression lock might do better, but it's not surprising really. You still have a long, thin piece of metal locking the blade, which is more easily deformed/bent than a thick lock back bar. Just like it's not surprising the axis lock they tested held a massive amount of weight compared to any of the liner/frame locks. I was surprised how easily the axis failed the spine wacks though, but I don't typically swing my knife spine and wack stuff so to me that's not that big of a deal.

I'd bet if it was a popular hyped hard use frame/liner lock company making these videos showing their locks beating other designs in the same manner no one would be complaining about how unrealistic/unfair/biased they are or how little the tests have to do with real world use. However, anything that doesn't support the "Liner/Frame locks are amazing!" hypothesis is quickly ganged up on.

I would like to see them add another test and that is to do the opposite direction of the weight bearing test. It would test how well the blade stop/lock holds the blade in the "normal" cutting direction, with an increasingly applied non-shock force. Very much the same as if you were really bearing down on the knife cutting, or hit something more solid in what you were cutting. I bet we'd see some interesting failures there as well, especially with some of these designs without liners and with really small, poorly supported stop pins.
 
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Leftytwogunz said:
I feel the opposite. I believe all of the CS BRO propaganda belongs in their own sub forum so they can all pat themselves on the back every time
their knife "wins" in their next in-house testing video. Testing of a design element probably not even in my top 10 features considered when buying a knife.

It's kind of like if they made a mini-van that was really awesome at drag racing. Then they suggested every other company's mini-vans were inferior because
they were not as good at drag racing.
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^this.

But in this analogy, the mini vans doors might take most people two hands to close :/.
 
rpnp said:
Yeah i gotta agree.. I think some of these people have never actually owned a cold steel knife..

They are all fairly thin and extremely light knives
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I own a Cold Steel large Voyager, because it was given to me by a now deceased friend. It is in no way thin.
 
ToddM said:
I'd bet if it was a popular hyped hard use frame/liner lock company making these videos showing their locks beating other designs in the same manner no one would be complaining about how unrealistic/unfair/biased they are or how little the tests have to do with real world use. However, anything that doesn't support the "Liner/Frame locks are amazing!" hypothesis is quickly ganged up on.
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Um...no. I don't use or trust liner locks.
 
So many angry posters. Cold steel claims they have the strongest lock. They tested it and came out on top. They didn't claim it was a better knife, just a better lock. That's how they market their knives. If lock strength doesn't matter to you then cool, quit whining and keep buying your benchmade's and Spyderco's. I will continue to buy knives from all quality manufacturers and won't get stressed out when one calls out another. It's called marketing and it's how the business world works.
 
Spectre said:
I own a Cold Steel large Voyager, because it was given to me by a now deceased friend. It is in no way thin.
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If its a modern one with out the steel liners... from scale to scale the knife is pretty thin.
 
rpnp said:
If its a modern one with out the steel liners... from scale to scale the knife is pretty thin.
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My large Voyager is 0.64" thick. Which is not a bad thing. Not every knife has to follow this slimline trend, the fatter handle makes it much more comfortable and the Voyager is not supposed to be a slim, trim, stylish EDC, it's a tough working knife.
 
wesmanthetiger said:
So many angry posters. Cold steel claims they have the strongest lock. They tested it and came out on top. They didn't claim it was a better knife, just a better lock. That's how they market their knives. If lock strength doesn't matter to you then cool, quit whining and keep buying your benchmade's and Spyderco's. I will continue to buy knives from all quality manufacturers and won't get stressed out when one calls out another. It's called marketing and it's how the business world works.
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Best post so far...:thumbup::thumbup:
 
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