Poll: How many people are in for 20" CPK Notta-Katana

Would you buy 22" CPK Notta-Katana?

  • I'm in!

  • I'll pass..


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Knowing what I know now about sword production, I planned to sell this K20 for what we sold the K18 for in 2019, which was $1,175. That is $1,400 today with inflation. That's based on the actual ~ 20% I'm seeing in my materials and other hard costs not the "consumer price index" you might hear about on NPR. I'm also adding a weighted pommel which was not figured into the original K18 or K20, which adds about $100. This will give you excellent one handed balance and additional power in your cut, it's a no-brainier. This lands me at $1,500 for this upcoming pre-order. I apologize for getting this wrong when I was asked about it earlier, I spoke too soon.

Except for international orders, I'm not going to take full payment in advance like we normally do on our pre-orders. We'll take a 50% deposit to start the project and we will take the other 50% once the blades are successfully through heat treat and it is clear this project can move forward.

If the project is scrapped (and, collaborating with Dan, we have a body of knowledge here, this is a risk) the deposits will be refunded and I will take a bath. Achieving the edge stability of a simple steel in this alloy is very challenging but very desirable for this application but it does not come without some risks. We're going to cross our fingers and hope these don't turn into bacon shaped objects. These are single edged and I'm making the edge pretty thin, which is risky. During that martensite transformation on the spine (which happens after the edge), the spine will grow and pull the center of the blade into tension (the center will see less stretching from the edge conversion and also less growth because it won't see the same quench rate as the edge or spine) which will bend the section forward and put the leading edge of the blade into compression. That leading edge will already have more growth than the rest of the section due to the higher quench rate that the edge will see. Sometimes, if these forces are high enough before the steel is through the tempering process (which relieves growth but occurs after cryo), that compression can result in a wavy edge. Perfect symmetry can reduce this risk and we're banking on our process to deliver this, but there aren't enough single edge Delta 3V swords in existence to know for certain that this is going to work. We know it can work, but we also know it can fail. It's not just the material and processing costs and the almighty pain that it is to process that make these swords expensive.

I can't recall where this question was asked so I'm posting this response in both places.
I am a Buyer for AM General and my wife is specifically a Metals Buyer for GM. The CPI on BLS.GOV has inflation since 1/1/2019 at more like 15% which most would agree is low.

However, the metals market has seen unprecedented increases. The niche of “specialty metals” in particular have gone crazy. FRED Economic Data has plane Jane stainless steel at an index of 112.2 in 4/19 and at 177.14 today. An increase of 58%! Not to mention the increased cost of labor and tooling.

In short $1500 is a STEAL for this puppy! Thank you CPK crew!
 
I am a Buyer for AM General and my wife is specifically a Metals Buyer for GM. The CPI on BLS.GOV has inflation since 1/1/2019 at more like 15% which most would agree is low.

However, the metals market has seen unprecedented increases. The niche of “specialty metals” in particular have gone crazy. FRED Economic Data has plane Jane stainless steel at an index of 112.2 in 4/19 and at 177.14 today. An increase of 58%! Not to mention the increased cost of labor and tooling.

In short $1500 is a STEAL for this puppy! Thank you CPK crew!

I have already bought and paid for the metal and I dodged some of these increases. I will be passing that savings along. But my hands are tied when it comes to the quantities, it is set in stone, I'm not ordering more material for this project.
 
Seeing Nathan's visualization and descriptions almost got me off the fence - almost...

I am not an eastern sword enthusiast, my tastes are far more European, but I have to admit, it looks pretty rad - and being in D3V, no less! This will make Hattori Hanzo's (Kill Bill) sword take a knee. 😁

Best of luck to Nathan and crew and best of luck to all of you lucky sumbitches that get into the pre-order - I am looking forward to following along.
 
Maybe the 1 per person idea isn't a bad one. Can always open that up if you need too. 50 posts taking two could go in seconds

Nah. I don't think it's going to be too bad. I'll be surprised if we hit 100 by the end of the week. It's a pretty niche item.
 
Will there be any add on options?
We are kicking around the idea of offering a wooden handle. I got some big iron wood that would work for this. I'm not super excited about the prospect of decontaminating a machining center from the ironwood just to run a single sheet of scales but if there is enough interest in it in the pre-order I think we will offer it. It won't be an affordable option and I wouldn't encourage anyone to order it, the standard TT will offer the best performance and value.
 
Knowing what I know now about sword production, I planned to sell this K20 for what we sold the K18 for in 2019, which was $1,175. That is $1,400 today with inflation. That's based on the actual ~ 20% I'm seeing in my materials and other hard costs not the "consumer price index" you might hear about on NPR. I'm also adding a weighted pommel which was not figured into the original K18 or K20, which adds about $100. This will give you excellent one handed balance and additional power in your cut, it's a no-brainier. This lands me at $1,500 for this upcoming pre-order. I apologize for getting this wrong when I was asked about it earlier, I spoke too soon.

Except for international orders, I'm not going to take full payment in advance like we normally do on our pre-orders. We'll take a 50% deposit to start the project and we will take the other 50% once the blades are successfully through heat treat and it is clear this project can move forward.

If the project is scrapped (and, collaborating with Dan, we have a body of knowledge here, this is a risk) the deposits will be refunded and I will take a bath. Achieving the edge stability of a simple steel in this alloy is very challenging but very desirable for this application but it does not come without some risks. We're going to cross our fingers and hope these don't turn into bacon shaped objects. These are single edged and I'm making the edge pretty thin, which is risky. During that martensite transformation on the spine (which happens after the edge), the spine will grow and pull the center of the blade into tension (the center will see less stretching from the edge conversion and also less growth because it won't see the same quench rate as the edge or spine) which will bend the section forward and put the leading edge of the blade into compression. That leading edge will already have more growth than the rest of the section due to the higher quench rate that the edge will see. Sometimes, if these forces are high enough before the steel is through the tempering process (which relieves growth but occurs after cryo), that compression can result in a wavy edge. Perfect symmetry can reduce this risk and we're banking on our process to deliver this, but there aren't enough single edge Delta 3V swords in existence to know for certain that this is going to work. We know it can work, but we also know it can fail. It's not just the material and processing costs and the almighty pain that it is to process that make these swords expensive.

I can't recall where this question was asked so I'm posting this response in both places.
50% down is much appreciated! That’s cool man. I’m sure this blade will be a huge success!
 
We are kicking around the idea of offering a wooden handle. I got some big iron wood that would work for this. I'm not super excited about the prospect of decontaminating a machining center from the ironwood just to run a single sheet of scales but if there is enough interest in it in the pre-order I think we will offer it. It won't be an affordable option and I wouldn't encourage anyone to order it, the standard TT will offer the best performance and value.
2-fiddy sounds about right?

ETA: as an add-on replacement, otherwise $300 extra?
And here I was thinking I was gonna need to beg Jo on a sideline conversation to make me some special ironwood scales. I'm thinking more than $300 extra, though, because isn't a regular set of popsicle stick scale upgrades on a normal CPK knife like $250?
the ''yes'' votes alone are more than 100...........

guys?
Yeah, but it's easy to vote yes in a poll before a price is known and harder to fork over $750 cash now and promise another $750 later.
 
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