POLL! New Concept Sheath With Or Without Magnets?

Magnets or Keeper Strap?

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Hey 1whobuys! Whew!

No concern from the knife staying put (regarding your previous post). One of the best things about my sheaths is also one that can't be conveyed in a photo - the fit. It may be kind of hard to believe but the fit is precise enough that the sheath can actually be held upside down (and even shaken a bit) without any retention strap or magnets and the knife doesn't fall out. This is one of the main reasons I need the knife on hand to make a proper fit which is the key to a design like this one. The weight of the knife also helps it stay in place even better while vertical. I would suggest using the keeper strap only when on the move myself.

Maybe I'll do away with the outrigger style thigh strap holder and just add slots in the back and the thigh strap for those who want one. You guys have me thinking so much my brain is starting to hurt!!! :(

Richard
 
Personally....... I like the keeper straps,,,,yanno ... more is better!!!!!!!!..... I'm sure the magnets do an excellent job, however the peace of mind that the strap ensures, is what I'd prefer. I kinda like the look of it too.A little extra piece of leather so you don't hafta worry !!!!!! To reiterate,,,,,,, More is Better. Nice work Rawhide ,,,,,,,, your spam sammich tastes OK with me , :D :thumbup::thumbup: ,,,,, lol
 
Magnets for regular carry.

Add a Pin lock for the talon hole on the Busse knives, just think of it as a Safety.

Put it on a removable strap.

For those times you will be in heavy brush or scrambeling up or down a steep hill or riding/driving in the car/truck.

I have been known to add a little pad lock to Kydex with matching holes.

I have also been known to add a cord to keep the knife in place when doing stupid things that might tend to make the knife other wise fly away.

The removable pin lock fixes all that.
 
A couple of guys have mentioned the pin-lock system for retention. While i appreciate the suggestions I feel that the pin-lock belongs to the developer (Kenny Rowe?) and I wouldn't feel comfortable using it. I prefer to come up with my own stuff. Besides, the keeper strap is very secure. The retention can be adjusted easily and it would be easier/quicker to use.

Richard
 
I would offer it either way, and also with both retention systems. Gives the customer plenty of options. I respect you for not wanting to copy the Rowe pinlock, but alot do it, and I'm not really sure if he was the first???

And you and your sheaths are welcome here anytime:thumbup: We appreciate the diversity of the threads here.

Now if you had first came here showing jinga stacks of Busse's you just bought, only to flip the same or next day, could have been a problem.
 
I wouldn't carry a sheath with a magnet retention, I don't use anything with a magnetic closure. Apart from the possible destruction of my credit cards and computer/cell phone/ipod, I don't want my knife magnetized. Ever try to clean metal shavings off of a knife blade? Not fun.
 
Rawhide Leather said:
A couple of guys have mentioned the pin-lock system for retention. While i appreciate the suggestions I feel that the pin-lock belongs to the developer (Kenny Rowe?) and I wouldn't feel comfortable using it. I prefer to come up with my own stuff. Besides, the keeper strap is very secure. The retention can be adjusted easily and it would be easier/quicker to use.

Richard
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To be quite honest, theres nothing new out there anymore. Pretty much everythings been done before in one form or another.

Kydex liners have been around for many years, I've done them since 03/04 and molded kydex liners have been done for longer than that.

The skeletonized open spine sheath has been around since WW2, and Dave Brown did a hauntingly similar sheath to yours a couple of years ago.

Scout carry, again has been done.

Pin locks, in various forms have been around since the Renaissance, a very popular way to lock a blade in its scabbard, some as a pin on a chain others as a bar with a pin.

Pivoting drop leg sheaths, see sword frogs.

Magnetic retention, since the eighties at least, possibly earlier.

In short, I cant think of one modern original thing our there right now, just variations on a theme.

My best advice is to settle on a style, find your niche. When you discover something cool, talk about it! When you want input, ask about it. Never assume you invented anything till you find our for sure. Some of the Hogs around here are rather protective, some of us do this for a living, myself and Dave Brown for example, and all of us do it for the passion of the craft and the knives. I've personally been a Busse fan since 2000, thats nearly nine years of sticking with one knife company. I've been cutting leather full time for nearly as long, 2001. I started leather seriously in 1997 making Medieval armor and scabbards, thus the history buff.

Theres room for everyone here, but we have to work together, avoid stepping on toes and be the brotherhood that were meant to be. Theres no competition here! In the long time I've been here theres been a friendly competition but not the aggressive mess I've seen in the last couple of years. Some of my best friends here are kydex and leather benders, yes, my competition. I've sent a lot of work their way.

Lets get back to the knives.
 
leatherman said:
Theres room for everyone here, but we have to work together, avoid stepping on toes and be the brotherhood that were meant to be. Theres no competition here! In the long time I've been here theres been a friendly competition but not the aggressive mess I've seen in the last couple of years. Some of my best friends here are kydex and leather benders, yes, my competition. I've sent a lot of work their way.

Lets get back to the knives.
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Spoken like a professional;)

Bob Mills
 
Well said Dwayne :thumbup:
 
Rawhide,

I wanted to take a second to appologize for calling your thread here SPAM,
when I saw that you had never posted anything here but what you were selling...

As Leatherman said, Brotherhood and excitement about the knives is what this place is about.
You may not be excited about the knives, but maybe it will set in.:thumbup:

The Brotherhood part is what I though I was defending.
I saw you posting a new open back design that Dave Brown introduced not to long ago,
and Kydex fusion that another leather maker is known for.
To me it looked like your involvement here was nothing more than advertising.
I may have jumped to conclusionions that are not accurate.

Anyway, I hope you hang out and become part of the club here.
There is not a cooler place in cyberspace.


Regards,

Scott Mitchell
 
steelnut said:
Rawhide,

I wanted to take a second to appologize for calling your thread here SPAM,
when I saw that you had never posted anything here but what you were selling...

As Leatherman said, Brotherhood and excitement about the knives is what this place is about.
You may not be excited about the knives, but maybe it will set in.:thumbup:

The Brotherhood part is what I though I was defending.
I saw you posting a new open back design that Dave Brown introduced not to long ago,
and Kydex fusion that another leather maker is known for.
To me it looked like your involvement here was nothing more than advertising.
I may have jumped to conclusionions that are not accurate.

Anyway, I hope you hang out and become part of the club here.
There is not a cooler place in cyberspace.


Regards,

Scott Mitchell
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nuff said:thumbup::D

Bob Mills
 
Scott - Big of you to offer an apology and of course it is fully accepted. My ego isn't as fragile as some folks'.


Leatherman - Wow! That was a mouthful! I guess I need to be careful of the exact terminology I use around here - I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I believe I did say this was "my latest concept" somewhere though. I guess I should have left out the word "new" though it is new for me. I agree that there's almost nothing really new out there - just new approaches to doing them mostly like you said. Perhaps saying I prefer to come up with my own stuff was what tripped your trigger? I guess I should have added "if I can"! Won't say that again!!! Almost sounds like you're saying that nothing is really proprietary anymore and therefore one can use anything at all they want to when building a sheath. Is that correct?

In my defense, I do realize that Kydex has been used on both the inside and outside of sheaths for a while but if you have seen a Kydex "sandwich sheath" like I posted l would surely love to see a photo of it because I certainly haven't. If you do I will remove them from my website altogether. Also, I honestly have never seen a sheath that looked a lot like the open design so again I would love to see a photo of one. I'm certain that I never claimed to have invented the scout style carry or the pivot or using magnets - as it sounds like you're implying. I do feel that I can say that I sometimes do things a bit differently however. I definitely do not ever want to use someone else's original idea and attempt to call it my own and would certainly never knowingly do so.

Leatherman - I appreciate your advice but I have been messing around with leather a while now (40 years or so) and I think I have "settled on a style" already - whatever that means. I merely thought I would give the guys who purchase our work a chance to voice their preferences with this post. I didn't realize I was being overly competitive by doing so. I also like to offer choices if I can - what's wrong with that? As for any future posts I may make, I will spend more time carefully choosing my terminology so as not to cause upset to my competition - uhh - I mean brothers. Didn't realize you guys were so easily offended.

When you discover something cool, talk about it! When you want input, ask about it. Err - thought I just did that???

BTW - I do this for a living as well. As you said - I think there's room for us all here. Having said that - being the new kid on the block sucks!

Richard
 
Whoa there tex, reign in them angry horses and take a deep breath. Easily offended is an interesting term you used there.

I am on the run this morning but I can provide you with all the pics you want of kydex sandwiched between leather on a sheath. Daves sheath is pictured here recently, I can get that one as well.

I'm not offended in any form or fashion, I just wanted to clear the air. Please dont jump to any conclusions.

It takes a bit to get used to the different flow of this place, give it some time or take a break, and grow a thicker skin. It helps a lot. :)
 
Richard - I am new here, too. That doesn't mean I am new to the internet or posting forums. I have several thousand posts on different forums concerning my other interests and occupation.

You may have too! In that case, take this with a grain of salt.

If you notice, the only one that really gave you a hard time was Steelnut that said he was at least drinking, maybe drunk. At any rate, he drank enough he felt like he had to apologize for his behavior. It appeared that almost all of the other posters simply ignored him and his post and paid attention to what you asked.

That should be a hint.

ALL internet forums and NGs are about the same. ( I participate in just a few these days... it's too time consuming! ) You have your bully boys, wannabes, big mouths etc., and then there are the folks that simply think they run the whole thing. Lots of posts always seem to indicate a share of actual forum ownership to some. Laying back and getting the lay of the land to figure out who those folks are on any site is a really good idea. Then you will figure out not only who to ignore, but who to trust. This place is certainly no different, except it seems to have large numbers of folks in both extreme camps.

Some guys are here just to comment and be a part of the pack. But there are A LOT of truly talented, helpful folks here that are sincerely interested (talking about the knifemakers and other craftsmen now) in promoting their respective crafts and assisting others. I have read for hours posts of knifemaking tips and methods that I don't think you could find easily anywhere else. Personally, I emailed a prominent group member with a question I felt could be touchy about his processes, and he sent me a great email back. I think there are a lot like him around here.

I know what you are saying about your time in the leather business, but the folks here don't know you. I do high end carpentry work and fine woodworking and have for myself FOR ALMOST THIRTY YEARS. Self employed, supporting myself with my own business. READ AS: paying all my bills, buying two houses, paying for trucks, tools, employees, etc. Not a hobby, not supplemental income, and now, not even something I enjoy.

Personally, I don't feel like I have to hold my hat in my hand to anyone when I talk to them, nor should you. Nor should anyone. On the biggest woodworking forum that I go to daily, I answer as many carpentry and finishing questions as I can, but simply ignore a poster that chimes in with something inflammatory, stupid, or spoiling for a fight. I simply don't care about their opinion, comments or ideas.

Hang around, when you get a post that gets under your skin, ignore it. Like Leatherman said, a little thicker skin could be a great thing to grow. Remember, you aren't new to your craft, just new here. I would approach it with that kind of confidence.

As for those that don't like it, remember, they don't own the forum. I hope you post away here.

As always, just my 0.02.

Robert
 
Great post Robert:thumbup:

Especially the part about your woodworking forum, where you participate, answer questions and are part of the community.
Exactly what I was talking about here....

Also the part about ignoring inflamatory people, did that with you earlier with your first post in this thread:thumbup:
 
Well, I've had my say and I'm now done with this thread. I think it has served it's purpose and has run it's course. Don't have the time or inclination for any more back and forth. Thanks to the folks who actually responded to the question in the poll or otherwise contributed something positive.

Richard
 
Heres the pic of that sheath of Daves.

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my version in leather kydex/fusion, though more of an open spine.
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I thought I had some spine shots of my kydex/fusion models, I'll try to cure that tomorrow. Essentially its leather in the interior then kydex, then leather. No plastic touches the knife. The first time I did this was 2003 for a soldier in Iraq, he wanted the best of both worlds and I ran with it, the rest is history.
 
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