Poll: Requirements for the new group! New requirement added!

What do you want for the requirements to join the new Kai group?

  • 75 post total, 25 posts of signif, 5 started threads, Own 1 Kershaw / 1 ZT.

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  • 100 post total, 30 posts of signif, 7 started threads, Own 2 Kershaw / 1 ZT.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 150 post total, 35 posts of signif, 10 started threads, Own 3 Kershaw / 1 ZT.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Isn't there already the kershawholics group? Pretty sure there is.....

You are correct, however we are looking to do something a little different.

I am definitely in to help as well. I was a moderator on androidforums (nerd alert!) for quite awhile, so I know the ins and outs of forum management. :thumbup:

We have discussed a few ideas but nothing is set in stone. This is all still preliminary and just trying to get a grasp on what you all want for now. Once we get the ideas from everyone, we will start talking about what we are going to do and bounce it off a few higher ups I'm sure! We do have a few people in mind to help out!
 
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I like this plan

I still think we should go with something like this:
For determining membership, I vote for some kind of point system with several options. For example:

Score 10 points:
1 point for every 5 Kershaws owned.
1 point for every 3 ZT's owned.
1 point for every modified Kershaw/ZT owned.
1 point for every "Knife of the Year" owned.
1 point for every year of BF membership.
1 point for every 200 posts.
1 point for every 50 posts in the Kershaw section.
1 point for every 10 threads started in the Kershaw section.
1 point for a recommendation from a current club member.
1 point for a paid BF membership.
2 points for a gold BF membership.
3 points for visiting the Kershaw factory.

etc.
 
Score 10 points:
1 point for every 5 Kershaws owned.
1 point for every 3 ZT's owned.
1 point for every modified Kershaw/ZT owned.
1 point for every "Knife of the Year" owned.
1 point for every year of BF membership.
1 point for every 200 posts.
1 point for every 50 posts in the Kershaw section.
1 point for every 10 threads started in the Kershaw section.
1 point for a recommendation from a current club member.
1 point for a paid BF membership.
2 points for a gold BF membership.
3 points for visiting the Kershaw factory.

This idea is growing on me for sure.
Out of this I would change one thing, "modded". Just because it might encourage something we hate to see, a mod done were it damages a rare or LE knife for the sake of getting into the group. I couldnt have that dirt on my soul. Biohazard Blur anyone?
 
The points thing is just going to be an ongoing headache for whomever has to administrate it, and it does not really add much in my opinion.

Quality participation is all we want, and I don't personally think the group should be "exclusive".

I like the idea of favoring paying members to help promote the forum general, but otherwise all we want are people with a passion for the brand and products.

As with most things, in my opinion, keep it simple.

Live the Kai Life!

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mqqn
 
there are other groups but good luck joining them, they are very exclusive. that is how they should be in my opinion because each of those members have earned that title, I believe people want this to be a broader group that is more welcoming yet with different ranks and self policing officers to keep the riff raff out. It is a great Idea and I would be glad to join if it ever comes to be. Has anyone heard back from our KAI reps with what they think about the whole idea?
 
Not sure if someone posted it here - but is it possible to make some new group on forums instead of "gold member" etc.? Of course, it must be a winner from neighbor-thread
"NAME ideas". Posts, threads and others - its to easy. I can make every week (or even twice a week) thread just like "got my new leek and it awesome (btw, like my others 10~15 leeks)" and i'll got all required posts for membership in a month. Owning 1/2/3 zt knives is hard to check - i can google ZT pics on some, for example, ukrainian forum. So will anyone check where did i got those pics? I think we need some kind of paid membership. Sorry for bad language, guys.
 
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Not sure if someone posted it here - but is it possible to make some new group on forums instead of "gold member" etc.? Of course, it must be a winner from neighbor-thread
"NAME ideas". Posts, threads and others - its to easy. I can make every week (or even twice a week) thread just like "got my new leek and it awesome (btw, like my others 10~15 leeks)" and i'll got all required posts for membership in a month. Owning 1/2/3 zt knives is hard to check - i can google ZT pics on some, for example, ukrainian forum. So will anyone check where did i got those pics? I think we need some kind of paid membership. Sorry for bad language, guys.

I understand what you are saying, but something like that is not in the cards. This is something similar to say the beckerheads than to a paid membership. We would hate to alienate those that do not have a paid membership. If we had a member that has 5 tilts, 3 purple blurs, 3 blue blurs, and 7 zt 0500 mudds and not a paid membership that would be counter productive. We want those that love and respect the kai products to be able to join and share info and stories.
 
I understand what you are saying, but something like that is not in the cards. This is something similar to say the beckerheads than to a paid membership. We would hate to alienate those that do not have a paid membership. If we had a member that has 5 tilts, 3 purple blurs, 3 blue blurs, and 7 zt 0500 mudds and not a paid membership that would be counter productive. We want those that love and respect the kai products to be able to join and share info and stories.

I would say that someone with that many relatively expensive knives should be able to afford $10 annually to help support this forum.

None of the other groups have this as a requirement, so I understand that this group would not likely adopt such.

I guess the point is to try to encourage support of BladeForums in general, where this group is proposing it's online existence.

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mqqn
 
We would hate to alienate those that do not have a paid membership. If we had a member that has 5 tilts, 3 purple blurs, 3 blue blurs, and 7 zt 0500 mudds and not a paid membership that would be counter productive.
maybe yes, but fot the one, who own these knives, paid membership is not a big money. just saying =)
 
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Score 10 points:
1 point for every 5 Kershaws owned.
1 point for every 3 ZT's owned.
1 point for every modified Kershaw/ZT owned.
1 point for every "Knife of the Year" owned.
1 point for every year of BF membership.
1 point for every 200 posts.
1 point for every 50 posts in the Kershaw section.
1 point for every 10 threads started in the Kershaw section.
1 point for a recommendation from a current club member.
1 point for a paid BF membership.
2 points for a gold BF membership.
3 points for visiting the Kershaw factory.


I like this idea. You could also institute a ranking/level system based on point.

Other Point ideas:
1 point of every "Exclusive/Limited Edition/etc" Kershaw and ZT
also to go along with "3 points for visiting the Kershaw factory." visit Kershaw/ZT at events (ie Blade Show, etc)
 
So here is what I am seeing about this... if you have the time to sit and post and the money to buy the knives that are felt to be properly seen to be Kershaw (certain models, depending on cost and place of manufacture) and have spent a lot of time and effort to give a pat one another on the back about your purchases, then you could be a member.

There are no benefits to the group except to recognize the social status of simple ownership of a knife brand and to proclaim your devotion and adoration of the brand in a more exclusive way, just on your end of the playground where others that aren't exactly like you aren't welcome. So if you are on harder economic times, you can't play on the devotee's end of the playground... guess that will keep the non fanatics out.

I am a big Kershaw fan myself. Looking at the drawer with my Tyrade, JYD II combo, my Blurs, and others down to my 30 year old (literally) Whiskey Gap and DWO, I have more Kershaw knives than any single brand. They have been my trusted work knife (construction) for years and have served without failure.

I was turned off to Kershaw years ago when they started the Kershaw Mafia, and so much so that I didn't join Bladeforums. It was like the playground in middle school. Each Kershaw devotee picked out a name from their favorite Godfather movie and thought they actually became that character. I guess here, away from those that "didn't get it" they were. I know it started out as fun, but it got waayyyy out of hand. It seemed that some felt like owning a few Kershaws, being voted in with a picture of your favorite character as your avatar, you had some kind of special status. Heck, you were a "made" guy! There were behind the scenes turf wars, things were said here and in PMs that kept thing agitated until it go quite nasty for some. They fought over who had more status based on posts, amount pictures and even took it to mods, then it filtered up to Spark. That is why Spark shut them down the group entirely archived the group posts.

After a couple of years (give or take) Spark worked out something with Thomas to bring it back. And now that the subforums is doing well again, you guys feel the need to establish a more elitist group, one more time, to proclaim your loyalty and devotion to Kai. Simple high post counts and endless pictures gushing over the product isn't enough. You need a super group that all can recognize as the most serious of people when it comes to Kai. Drive away the casual users ("we do like him, but he only has 4 Kershaws, and a low post count.... that's worse than low T") and folks that are just now learning about Kershaws.

Boy does this seem familiar. I have to ask though, why don't you guys start your own website/forum? Even the guys that make my favorite barbecue pit have one. Even though they got tired of their own limited company soon enough, it is still quite popular. That way you could enforce all rules you wanted, run it your way, exclude\include anyone you wanted and decide where you wanted to go with the forum without permission. Why do you need to have a sub/sub group that delineates you from a regular user?

More importantly, have you contacted Spark to make sure he is ready to do this all over again with the Kershaw guys?

Robert
 
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Midnight flyer, I believe you have some misguided information on what we are trying to do here. Why do you think we are polling and asking questions? We want to know what you all want.
 
I would say that someone with that many relatively expensive knives should be able to afford $10 annually to help support this forum.

None of the other groups have this as a requirement, so I understand that this group would not likely adopt such.

I guess the point is to try to encourage support of BladeForums in general, where this group is proposing it's online existence.

best

mqqn

While I tend to agree with you that they could easily afford it, we don't have authority to make that a requirement. That decision would be up to a mod.

I just want to say thanks so far to everyone for voting and for voicing your opinion! This is what we want : To hear what your thoughts are! I know it will be hard to make something every single person wants, but we will try our best!. Nothing is set in stone and nothing is being implemented yet. There will be a few more polls and threads in the future about other aspects, and ideas. Thanks again and keep them coming!
 
I don't know about the started thread requirement - I see some other groups that have that requirement and it drives a lot of what I consider to be "content deprived" posting.

I think the group should be to promote the interest in the collecting and admiration of the companies products, both vintage and current.

In my opinion, the more the merrier.

best

mqqn
I agree here. It's easy to think of things when they are required. We can encourage posting without making it a requirement.


Thanks. I like it because it provides several ways in. It also prevents the sole requirement from being based on posting. I think that will only serve to create a bunch of useless posts/threads just for membership. Also, who is going to determine what is "significant"? :confused:
+1

The points thing is just going to be an ongoing headache for whomever has to administrate it, and it does not really add much in my opinion.

Quality participation is all we want, and I don't personally think the group should be "exclusive".

I like the idea of favoring paying members to help promote the forum general, but otherwise all we want are people with a passion for the brand and products.

As with most things, in my opinion, keep it simple.

Live the Kai Life!

best

mqqn

I like the concept of the point system, but really REALLY don't want to have to see/hear about/deal with people fighting over a point, or who has the most.

And again, who is to say things are significant? Worth the "point"?
(Oh, I modded my blur by cleaning it alot, then sharpening it MY way. Point for me.)




Overall, I put my vote towards a required amount of posts of significance in the subforum, an overall post count, and a number of KAI products. I say 3. And those who clearly bought 3 ultra cheapies only to post a pic of them for the requirement can be spoken with and encouraged to participate accordingly.

I'm not voting, only because my vote lies in between choices. But I am very excited about the possibility of this working out, and have no problem throwing my opinion out there to help with the final decision, whatever it may be.
 
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Score 10 points:
1 point for every 5 Kershaws owned.
1 point for every 3 ZT's owned.
1 point for every modified Kershaw/ZT owned.
1 point for every "Knife of the Year" owned.
1 point for every year of BF membership.
1 point for every 200 posts.
1 point for every 50 posts in the Kershaw section.
1 point for every 10 threads started in the Kershaw section.
1 point for a recommendation from a current club member.
1 point for a paid BF membership.
2 points for a gold BF membership.
3 points for visiting the Kershaw factory.

This idea is growing on me for sure.
Out of this I would change one thing, "modded". Just because it might encourage something we hate to see, a mod done were it damages a rare or LE knife for the sake of getting into the group. I couldnt have that dirt on my soul. Biohazard Blur anyone?

I like the general idea of this point system. I have 18 points just for the first three lines (65 Kershaws, 7 ZTs, 3 Mods), which I know is way less than some would have, but enough to be a part of the group; my point is that it seems like a nice flexible requirement. As to one poster's concern, I would hope that our group would not be exclusionist, and would be able to trust everyone's honor. Anyway, I do hope this comes to being...
 
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