Poor Sheath maker

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What would you do if you sent a mint War Boar Busse blade to a sheath maker and got back one that had the finish worn smooth on both sides of the blade and at the tip?

I'm not talking a little,but a LOT of smoothing. More smoothing than you see on another Busse that you've carried daily for almost 2 years.

Sheathmaker says that all Busse TAN finishes wear like this.:thumbdn:

I'm so disgusted, I could just @#$!!!

What can I do? I've emailed twice and he replied twice, accepting no blame for the damage. Says "Had I known you wanted a mint knife afterwards I would have refused the job." I knew there could be wear from the sheath after a lot of use,but I never expected it when it first came back to me.

Is it too much to ask him to have the blade refinished by Busse? It seems only fair.
 
You gave a good description but do you happen to have pics?

But just from what you have written I'd say you should have received it the same as when it left your hands. I'd like to hear what our sheath makers have to say. Perhaps their are variables I am unaware of.

BTW: What material was the sheath? I know that kydex rubs more and the blade -vs- handle retention plays a factor as well.
 
If he, in his experience, knows that his process changes a blade's finish, he should have specified so.
Either way, I don't believe for a moment that much wear is a normal by-product, he should pony up and have the blade refinished, or at least offer SOME sort of compensation. If he doesn't make it right, let us know who it is so we can avoid his business.
 
i sent a new knife( busse family knife) to a kydex sheath maker. i was told that i should expect some wear on the knife when i got it back..

i had no idea of what kind of wear to expect but wasnt suprised when there were some minor "scuff" marks....but it was nowhere near worn smooth
 
I would never expect a knife back from a sheathmaker in a worn condition. I've never made a leather sheath, but I've made plenty out of Kydex. If the knife has grips, it doesn't need to be scuffed at all. All Kydex sheaths can scuff blades, but blades can easily be protected while forming the Kydex, too.
 
What would I do? That is the question right?

Well if that is the question “what would I do?” here is the answer:

If I get a sheath made for a knife it is a user otherwise the cardboard it came with works well enough to store the knife in a safe. So although I’d be disappointed.... in a month of use who’d know there was a problem.
 
just throwing this out there, but has anyone stripped their war boar??:confused:
this may be a first correct me if im wrong
 
Tim the Slugman said:
Chuck, My experience, is that Busse tan finishes are very tough compared to some of the other colors!
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Tan is the toughest coating. I actually asked this question a long while back, and most folks stated that the tan holds up the best. I only have a few coated users (green, black crinkle, tan), but the tan is the best in my opinion too.
 
I would really like to see pictures of the wear before commenting either way. I know fitting a Kydex sheath can put some scuffs on a blade finish.
 
bushman14 said:
If he, in his experience, knows that his process changes a blade's finish, he should have specified so.
Either way, I don't believe for a moment that much wear is a normal by-product, he should pony up and have the blade refinished, or at least offer SOME sort of compensation. If he doesn't make it right, let us know who it is so we can avoid his business.
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+1

I have to agree with Bushman on this one.

Greg
 
Hey Guys...

The "Poor Sheathmaker" that G19 is speaking about is me.
Most of you know me,, most of you have my sheaths...

Hopefully most of you know that I'm not a Hack when it comes to sheaths...

Before I go into detail and defend myself,, here are a couple of pictures of the sheath, knife and said damage.

Edited to Say:

These pictures were taken 15 minutes before they were packaged and shipped.

As you can see by the first picture, that it is a Quality job, and I know a little about sheathing knives. I've literally made thousands of sheaths for Busse knives and several dozen of these Sand powder coated knives. The sand poder coated knives they ALL have the same effect with rubbing.

warboar.jpg


warboar2.jpg


The second picture, a closeup of the knife, shows slight rubbing in the center of the blade, and No wear at the tip.

First off anyone that has a Tan Sand powder coat knows that this finish is very delicate and the particles are Easy rubbed off, even by picking at it with a fingernail.Once the particals come off the rubbing for the most part ceases to happen.

This particular powder coat is prone to rubbing, no matter what you do to it.

Having Alot of experience with this Sand powder coating, I took extra precautions to help prevent this, by adding extra layers of tape, however I Cannot be expected to completely eliminate and rubbing with this type of powdercoat. It is the equivilant to having 150 grit sandpaper glued to the sides of the knife..

It is Impossible to prevent, and common sense should tell you that this is going to happen.

As soon as the handle leaves the sheath, if the knife isn't Exactly centered All the way out of the sheath, which is Absolutely Impossible to do, especially with the contour of the knife, the knife touches either side of the sheath, and rubbing occurs. Nothing I can do about it...

This isn't a problem with other knives, because the powder coating is smoother and it simply slides on through.. Especially with the lubrication I use in my sheaths.

It is Only a serious problem with the Sand powdercoat. Which is Basically a nightmare to work with.

Chuck Expressed to me that he was unhappy with the rubbing and Expected a Mint Collector back. Only After he recieved the knives did he inform me that this was a MINT Collector Knife, which I take now as being a Safe Queen.

Had I known that it was A Mint Collector Safe Queen and he expected it back in Mint condition I would have Refused the job Hands Down!

The knife was presented to me as a User knife, as I talked with him at least twice in Detail how he was going to carry it.

In the 14 email conversations, and at least one phone conversation we have had, not once was MINT Collector brought up or Expressed to me.

Mint Collector Knives, especially if you want them to stay in that condition Should Not be Carried, and once they are sheathed in ANYTHING, Especially with this particular powder coating cannot be Expected to stay in this condition.

Now I'm Expected to fix the problem.

I'm Very upset that Chuck is Not happy with the job, these types of things Bother me Greatly and I don't like it one bit.. An unsatisfied customer is a customer that doesn't return, which does me Absolutely no good.

ttyle

Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
 
To add:

I hope Chuck and Eric settle this matter to both their satisfaction.

With my first couple of kydex sheaths, I was similarly upset by slight scratches on satin blades. And this was when the knives came back to me--not after any usage.

However, as I used them, it bothered me less and less until, finally, it wasn't even a thought. I have learned that lubrication (CLP or RemOil) can help reduce kydex scuffs on a satin blade (not sure about coated, though I don't know why it wouldn't work), but kydex is just kydex. It's going to wear slightly on ANY points of friction.

On many knives, for me at least, the trade-off is worth it. Kydex can get wet and dries in minutes. It is durable, lightweight, and easily modified. Good stuff all around.
 
Normark said:
Hey Guys...

The "Poor Sheathmaker" that G19 is speaking about is me.
Most of you know me,, most of you have my sheaths...

Hopefully most of you know that I'm not a Hack when it comes to sheaths...

Before I go into detail and defend myself,, here are a couple of pictures of the sheath, knife and said damage.

Edited to Say:

These pictures were taken 15 minutes before they were packaged and shipped.

As you can see by the first picture, that it is a Quality job, and I know a little about sheathing knives. I've literally made thousands of sheaths for Busse knives and several dozen of these Sand powder coated knives. The sand poder coated knives they ALL have the same effect with rubbing.

warboar.jpg


warboar2.jpg


The second picture, a closeup of the knife, shows slight rubbing in the center of the blade, and No wear at the tip.

First off anyone that has a Tan Sand powder coat knows that this finish is very delicate and the particles are Easy rubbed off, even by picking at it with a fingernail.Once the particals come off the rubbing for the most part ceases to happen.

This particular powder coat is prone to rubbing, no matter what you do to it.

Having Alot of experience with this Sand powder coating, I took extra precautions to help prevent this, by adding extra layers of tape, however I Cannot be expected to completely eliminate and rubbing with this type of powdercoat. It is the equivilant to having 150 grit sandpaper glued to the sides of the knife..

It is Impossible to prevent, and common sense should tell you that this is going to happen.

As soon as the handle leaves the sheath, if the knife isn't Exactly centered All the way out of the sheath, which is Absolutely Impossible to do, especially with the contour of the knife, the knife touches either side of the sheath, and rubbing occurs. Nothing I can do about it...

This isn't a problem with other knives, because the powder coating is smoother and it simply slides on through.. Especially with the lubrication I use in my sheaths.

It is Only a serious problem with the Sand powdercoat. Which is Basically a nightmare to work with.

Chuck Expressed to me that he was unhappy with the rubbing and Expected a Mint Collector back. Only After he recieved the knives did he inform me that this was a MINT Collector Knife, which I take now as being a Safe Queen.

Had I known that it was A Mint Collector Safe Queen and he expected it back in Mint condition I would have Refused the job Hands Down!

The knife was presented to me as a User knife, as I talked with him at least twice in Detail how he was going to carry it.

In the 14 email conversations, and at least one phone conversation we have had, not once was MINT Collector brought up or Expressed to me.

Mint Collector Knives, especially if you want them to stay in that condition Should Not be Carried, and once they are sheathed in ANYTHING, Especially with this particular powder coating cannot be Expected to stay in this condition.

Now I'm Expected to fix the problem.

I'm Very upset that Chuck is Not happy with the job, these types of things Bother me Greatly and I don't like it one bit.. An unsatisfied customer is a customer that doesn't return, which does me Absolutely no good.

ttyle

Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
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i would not hesitate to buy from you.IMHO(to the poster & sheathmaker)
anyone that thinks that something placed in a kydex sheath is going to come out just like it went in is mistaken...anything that contacts the knife can rub it...& kydex is unforgiving.any particulate can get caught between the 2 & rub & cause wear


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just my opinion.
 
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