Poor Sheath maker

[tyr_shadowblade]

Tan is the toughest coating. I actually asked this question a long while back, and most folks stated that the tan holds up the best.

I received a tan Natural Outlaw during a passaround (with permission to use it, as the owner intended to strip the coating after the passaround was complete), and after 4 or 5 chops into a corrigated cardboard carton I noted significant scuffing of the finish.

The black coating on Benchmade knives scuffs off when used to cut cardboard also.

 

[VANCE]

its just a coating...take a fork & scrape your teflon pan...same results... im guessing

no offense intended to the OP

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Hey Eric,

I received a sheath from you for a BA-E I used to own. It was an excellent sheath. But you had an in house knife/template to use so I never had to send you my knife. You do make quality sheaths. All my kydex sheaths leave rub marks on my knives. But they are all users so no big deal. I do hope things work out here for you both.

 

[Guyon]

I received a tan Natural Outlaw during a passaround (with permission to use it, as the owner intended to strip the coating after the passaround was complete), and after 4 or 5 chops into a corrigated cardboard carton I noted significant scuffing of the finish.

The black coating on Benchmade knives scuffs off when used to cut cardboard also.

Like I said, I think tendency to show rubbing and overall durability are two different things here.

My CG BATAC showed rubbing after making some fire shavings, but this rubbing cleaned up pretty easily. The coating is still going strong after extended usage. :thumbup:

 

[Ban]

I imagine the War Boar is especially problematic regarding rubs because of the angle and rotation upon entry into the sheath.

Also, rubbing and durability are perhaps two different phenomenon in the way they are being discussed here. Below are at least two threads in which people repeatedly tout the durability of tan coatings:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=378142

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318493

I would not recommend kydex sheaths for safe queens because of its tendency to scratch up the finish of the blades.

That is the main reason why my safe queens either stay in their cardboard sheath or put in leather sheaths.

+1 on that particular coating being abrasive. Run you hand over that coating and it feels almost like sandpaper. Coating or not kydex sheaths alot of times scratch up the finish of most knives. Even the really hard stuff like hardchrome will get some wear from kydex. The Curvature of the Warboar makes it much more likely to scratch.

 

[Normark]

Hey Guys..

Guyon....

It's not even so much the shape of the blade,, which for sure is part of it,, the primary problem is the **Sand** on the surface of the PC..

The powdercoat itself is Very durable, the surface is the Evil Beast!

ANY and ALL knives that have this Sand powdercoat will experience the Exact same rubbing until the surface levels itself out, No matter Who makes the sheath.

Thanks Guyon...

ttyle

Eric
O/ST

 

[dfcrane]

I had a tan BATAC and I thought it scuffed worse than any other Busse knife finish I have ever had. The coating did not come off and it may be very durable, but in my opinion it definately scuffed up easily.

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

All my kydex sheaths leave rub marks on my knives. But they are all users so no big deal.

Yeah. Kydex will even scuff a blade without finish. And a "mint" knife should not be sheathed or carried or used if you intend for it to remain "mint".

As the buyer knew that his "mint" knife would have a kydex sheath form fitted to it, and as the buyer stated in emails that he intended to carry said knife, methinks this may be a case of buyer's remorse.

Heck, it'd get scuffed up after you draw it from the sheath a few times -- why not just go all out and tear up some cardboard with it? You KNOW you want to.

 

[on_the_edge]

Chuck,
If you can switch gears momentarily here, can you tell me why on Earth you would even consider a kydex sheath for a knife that you wanted to keep mint? This is the part I don't understand. You know that any knife finish will wear to some degree with kydex, so why kydex on this one?


Chris

 

[Guyon]

The powdercoat itself is Very durable, the surface is the Evil Beast!

Rat Finkenstein said basically the same thing back in that thread I started in 2005.

I only have a tan busse, although I have several black Rats. The Tan coating shows scuffs more, but it is very durable. I have yet to remove a whole lot from either color of coating, but I would have to lean towards the tan for toughness.

Few more quotations from that thread...

Out of the Busse line, I'm gonna go with the tan coating as well. It seems to just wear away very slowly without any of the chipping you see with very hard use.

Busse's desert tan coating is the toughest coating on any knife I have experience with.

–Mike

To me, the toughest coating from Busse is the Tan.

I love the DC, but that is a finish, not a coating.

Smooth works ok for me also since that is what's on my EDC's. Get's 'character' marks real fast.

Rob

 

[Guyon]

Double tap, and I'm not even drinking.

See below for post.

 

[Jaxx]

I stick to a pretty simple rule when it comes to knives that I want sheaths for...
...Kydex for users... Just got a sheath yesterday from Okuden for a FBMLE... After a few times in & out of the sheath, I noticed kydex rubbing on the satin flats of the blade... But I too have learned about kydex, and this sheath is for my user, so it's a non-issue... On the other hand, this knife will never leave the sheath unless I draw it out. NICE snug fit, which is how I wanted it. :thumbup:

Leather for all other knives not intended for using, but that I want sheaths for & for more "upscale" knives carried.

Kydex scratches... no matter how many times I've heard the opposite said. Like Guyon mentioned. friction happens.

Sorry about the War Boar... I learned this lesson with a CS AD right after I received the knife back from Busse where it was cleaned up, ground, polished... whatever is done to restore the satin finish... And boom, within a day, I noticed the marks running perpendicular to the finish.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Listen to you girlie men going on about safe queens and such.

 

[roughedges]

whas wrong with a little scuffing and scraping?

All other things aside, I can't think of any reason, since its so well known for its versatility and utility, to get a kydex sheath for a safe queen.

 

[jimmyjones]

I'm a sheaths wear knives, guy, so I only sheath my users, and then overlook the wear.

I have a DABA (would saying it's tan be redundant) an ST-56 and a Ripper, all tan, the coating on the DABA is bullet proof, the knife is pretty well used but the coating isn't that bad.

I stabbed the cardboard box the ST-56 came in with it, and it smoothed the coating back 1/4". Both it and the Ripper's coatings appear to be real pebbly and wear pretty quickly. Mine show wear, and have only been in and out of their original 'Busse' tactical sheaths (not the inspected by's) a couple of times.

but I've got a tan Badger I've batoned through hardwood, and the coating just smoothed.

I'm thinking something was/is different about the tan coatings.

 

[on_the_edge]

FWIW, on high-end custom knives, many sellers will make a point in saying that a knife has never been sheathed in anything. The implication is of course that any sheath may change the "mint" status of a knife. Just another something to think about.

 

[Evolute]

Since I've been specifically quoted about the desert tan coating being tough, I'd like to be clear on this point:

I wasn't talking about proneness to showing tiny scuffs when drawn from a kydex sheath for the first time, I was talking about how much abrasion the coating can take over the long term before wearing through to the bare metal. Who cares about little scuffs from the kydex sheaths? [Rhetorical question; I know that the OP cares.] These knives are meant for use; I assumed I was having a conversation with people who planned on using their knives, not people who were worried about scuffing their safe queens with a kydex sheath. Forgive me for the misunderstanding.

As an aside, I recall the days when Jerry used to supply sheaths with the knives. Your knife package would arrive, and the knife in the package would be in the sheath. You'd withdraw the new knife from the sheath for the first time, and... Guess what? It would be scuffed from the kydex. Unavoidably. Every single knife. Kydex does that.

Why would Jerry do that? Because the knives were for use, so it didn't matter.

Imagine that.

 

[Guyon]

I wasn't talking about proneness to showing tiny scuffs when drawn from a kydex sheath for the first time, I was talking about how much abrasion the coating can take over the long term before wearing through to the bare metal.

Exactly the point I've made a couple of times here. :thumbup:

 

[c4man]

IMHO safe queen collections are just that, but sheathed carriers/users are totally different. I understand Chucks concern, I think there may just be a little misunderstanding. My hope is thanks to the help of several Hogs here, this unfortunate situation might be better reckoned with. I have only heard good things from the sheath maker and certainly Chuck is a goodn' Good luck to both of you :thumbup: My experience is I have a blk and blk mag batac with a new kydex sheath. I switched the sheath to carry my user stripped Batac to avoid the drama. Just my .02 worth

 

[spyken]

yep, I find kydex rubs too....just a couple of times taking my small blade in and out of the sheath and it's scratched up. satin INFI scratches easily also, but it's a user so that's cool for me.