Posting Photos - Who can and can't ?

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I don't see any good that can come from this "discussion". We are only going to loose good members and, of the very small percentage of individuals that abuse their privileges, how many will actually change their ways because of this thread? :(

I am very sad. :(
 
First off I hope some sort of further understanding can be reached where all parties can come to terms, and continue to have contribution to this forum, whether it be financial or content related. Good luck, for the benefit of us all.

The real reason for this post is I find it ironic that on the first page of Shop talk there are two threads so different. One is asking for money in order to contribute images (Content), while the other is offering "money" to contribute images (Content).
 
LRB said:
Just to repeat. I know of no other forum that restricts photos of a makers work, unless the maker states that the work is for sale, that it was made to be for sale, or was sold. Just saying. The owner of the forum sets the rules, and I accept the way it is, although I totally disagree with this one.
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I do. I won't name it here but there is a certain bushcraft forum that will remove threads and send you a nasty PM if you're a maker, posing pics of what you made, and don't have a paying membership. The only reason I haven't bought a membership on that site is that I just don't have time to try to sell knives on 2 forums; keeping up with it all will seem like work in short order, I think. It's just easier to do it on bladeforums and I get a lot of exposure for my work. Anytime I post a knife for sale, that thread usually has 200-300 views within 48 hours. For $60/year? yes it's worth it to me, and I haven't sold that many knives here, maybe 15-20 in the last year.

I don't see what everybody is so bent out of shape about but i did work for the government for several years; so i developed a thick skin I guess. :)

randy
 
jawilder said:
Greg, does it not occur to you that you are in violation of the rule when you post pictures of your knives and WIPs since you do not hold the "Knifemaker" membership. You may be fine under Stacy's interpretation of the rule, but you would most certainly be in violation if the rule were to be strictly enforced.
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1) - If you make knives ( or materials, etc.) and sell them, even part time or as a hobby supplement.

I know Greg doesn't need anyone to defend him, but really? Everybody knows Greg is more likely to GIVE something away than to sell it. That s just my opinion.

randy
 
jawilder said:
Greg, does it not occur to you that you are in violation of the rule when you post pictures of your knives and WIPs since you do not hold the "Knifemaker" membership. You may be fine under Stacy's interpretation of the rule, but you would most certainly be in violation if the rule were to be strictly enforced.
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Sorry, Jason, but you are mistaken. I have never sold a knife, and almost certainly never will.
 
I hope that the owner of BF amend the policy. Unless the person is financially benefit from posting pictures, it should be allowed. I love WIP threads by established makers. They are the best type of threads on here. If those makers leave; the biggest looser would be me. That is the main reason I pay Gold membership is to learn from the forum. I would rather pay more for them to stay than making them pay.
 
tryppyr said:
Sorry, Jason, but you are mistaken. I have never sold a knife, and almost certainly never will.
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I know that Greg. I'm not trying to offend or point fingers. I really enjoy seeing your creativity. My only goal is to point out that the exact rule states "The only members who may... display their personally built knives... are "Manufacturers", "Dealers" and "Knifemaker/Craftsman/Service Providers".

It does not specify motivation. That's where this rule is flawed... It is too broad.

Your motivation may be to teach and share rather than sell, but the rule would apply just the same.
 
jawilder said:
I know that Greg. I'm not trying to offend or point fingers. I really enjoy seeing your creativity. My only goal is to point out that the exact rule states "The only members who may... display their personally built knives... are "Manufacturers", "Dealers" and "Knifemaker/Craftsman/Service Providers".

It does not specify motivation. That's where this rule is flawed... It is too broad.

Your motivation may be to teach and share rather than sell, but the rule would apply just the same.
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Maybe you're right. Maybe it's time I admit I'm a knifemaker. ;)
 
Patrice Lemée;10869143 said:
I don't see any good that can come from this "discussion". We are only going to loose good members and, of the very small percentage of individuals that abuse their privileges, how many will actually change their ways because of this thread? :(

I am very sad. :(
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I think that is a real danger.

Shop Talk has always operated a bit differently than the rest of the forum as long as it's in the interest of providing information.

I'm afraid that this will further alienate the best contributors.


I do have at least one person in mind that seems to post pics that skirt the selling with no membership rule, but they could be dealt with individually.
 
The rule, as laid out in the first post of this thread says
"The only members who may promote or display their personally built knives, services and/or products in the discussion threads or via their signature or home page listing in their user profile are "Manufacturers", "Dealers" and "Knifemaker/Craftsman/Service Providers".

I believe motivation is not a factor here, though a letter of the law decision wouldn't differentiate, only paying customers would be able to post a picture of a knife they made according to this rule.
The rule is very clear and concise.
It lays out the three types of members who may post a picture of something they have personally made. There are only 3, and I believe all 3 are a paid membership.

I believe what is being said in this thread is
If you sell knives anywhere for a profit, you must give us money to post pictures here. Motivation is irrelevant. The fact that you sell things somewhere means you need to pay us.

If you don't sell knives anywhere, you are OK in shop talk, but not elsewhere on the forum.

I could be mistaken, and likely am.
 
This is a tough rule and many of us realize it. Some of us need to also realize that the owner of this forum has come out of pocket to the tune of quite a few thousands to keep this place open for us to enjoy and learn. There are a lot of sides to the problem.
 
SShepherd said:
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"Those who use Bladeforums and post their opinions and procedures as well as their knives should be willing to pay for that.
Those who feel they have a "right" to use it for free are freeloaders.
It is just that simple and plain......you use it - you should pay for it."

I believe that's what's offended a number of people
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I admit that was too harsh. It was posted after replying to about ten emails and PMs stating the Bladeforums is a free place and people had a right to post what they wanted to.

I apologize and retract the statement.
 
So, I'm throwing a party at my house tonight.
$100 a plate, to cover expenses.
Mick Jagger is coming to the party.
Do I charge him to show up, and risk him changing his mind, or do I let him come for free?
Or, I suppose, I can still let him come, but he is not welcome to any food or drink?

By the way, 90% of my guests are paying because Mick will be there...
 
I come to post pics of my Campsword WIP and find this...Oy.

The subject isn't disheartening, it's the reactions.

It should be glaringly obvious to the dedicated makers and netheads why this rule is in place--all any of you need to do is google "poor man's copyright myth" and "T1 server cost." Rather than delve into either of those rats nests, I'll simplify:
Bitching about a 60 dollar annual fee is like griping about the cost of Parks if you turn out several blades a month and on profit.
When everything is said and done, it's about what you know your future potential is and why the little expense is worth the personal pride later.

I've withdrawn from posting for plenty of reasons, among and above which is the fact I was starting to appear like a pedantic wannabe enthusiast or a wet behind the ears hobbyist. I quit because I know that anything posted under my real name brings with it visibility to search engines--last thing I want is to appear a blowhard.

Anything posted is considered, by the general reader, a fair reflection of the maker's work, and it should be a given that a maker's work is a reflection of them--I have that on the wall in my shop: "I am a reflection of my work, and my work is a reflection of me."

I leave with two thoughts:
1) several months back, someone, I believe James Terrio, got nailed with a C&D plus a hefty bill, for using a generic picture he found on the web--paid memberships to post pics makes for a stronger case in protecting your work than 99.9% of the old mother hubbard supposed supposed methods for protecting intellectual property.
2) A couple weeks ago, there was a thread about the direction these forums were taking where many voiced their concerns about the subtle hegemony and the continued potential for the boards--while there was a lot of conjecture over who posts what, and why they don't anymore--rules, paid memberships, and moon phase has nothing to do with it, rather nepotism and blind ludditism is more to blame and all I'm gonna say.
 
I think the whole thing is getting way out of hand.

Everyone is doing the best they can.

I'm continuing with my BBQ camp sword WIP, in good faith and spirit. :)
Why not just accept things the way they are and try to make the best of it?… Big wheels turn slow, just give it some time and see what happens.
 
Thanks, Tai.

jawilder,
Greg has a knifemaker membership, and can post photos of his knives...even if he doesn't sell them.
You have a knifemaker membership, and can post photos,too.
There are only a few who this applies to. Brian and Chuck have spoken up against it, and Tai is going to work within it.

I suggest we leave this discussion for PM and email, and those strongly opposed should talk to with Spark.

I'll leave it open for a bit longer, and will close it tonight.
 
It’s not what the community can do for you, but what you can do for the community.

The rewards will be always there…

Thanks Stacy! :)
 
Glad I could help Greg get the right membership :)

"Big wheels turn slow" - that's the wisest thing I've heard in a while
 
I'll leave it alone after this.

I do disagree with the rule, but this is NOT my house.

Your house, your rules.
When you walk through my door, you play by my rules, so I get it.

Tai is one of the guys who's pictures and things I will personally miss.
We are opposite ends of the making spectrum, and I love that fact.
Heck, most makers here are on the other end from me.

Tai and others like him not being able to post a WIP, with pictures will be a shame.

He does have a way with words though.

Tai, I look forward to the pictureless WIP!
I think it will be fun.
 
Fellhoelter said:
I'll leave it alone after this.

I do disagree with the rule, but this is NOT my house.

Your house, your rules.
When you walk through my door, you play by my rules, so I get it.

Tai is one of the guys who's pictures and things I will personally miss.
We are opposite ends of the making spectrum, and I love that fact.
Heck, most makers here are on the other end from me.

Tai and others like him not being able to post a WIP, with pictures will be a shame.

He does have a way with words though.

Tai, I look forward to the pictureless WIP!
I think it will be fun.
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No, wait!

I think the idea was that a "valid" WIP or tutorial with pix is O.K., (would be an exception),... unless I missed something.

I'm good with that. That's a win win situation! :)

I'll stick around and occasionally do some more WIPs and tutorials. I can work with that.

It's all good!
 
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