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Production Wegner fixed blade?
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The fixed Wegner, as it is being done by Blade-Tech, has a 4.25" blade, taking the "higher" tip of the custom ProHunter, rather than the Clipit's profile.
The sheath is kydex, with Blade-Tech's Tek Lok system. It carries best (IMHO) IWB small-of-back, although I've also done a very nice angled cross draw.
It is available in hollow ground CPM440V, made by Phil Boguszewski, for around $300. He keeps the Clipit's flat G-10 handle slabs.
It's also available in flat ground Talonite, made by Rob Simonich, for around $400. Rob uses linen micarta, fully rounded out.
I've handled them both, and have been carrying the Talonite model since January. The Talonite incarnation is, without reservation, one of the best carry knives I've ever owned.
I'd genuinely hate to change a single detail, but if the Talonite has to go as a price concession, I'd move to flat ground ATS-55 or CPM420V. But you'd have to force me to make that change. The Talonite is soooo sweeeet.
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"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, the bear eats you."
The sheath is kydex, with Blade-Tech's Tek Lok system. It carries best (IMHO) IWB small-of-back, although I've also done a very nice angled cross draw.
It is available in hollow ground CPM440V, made by Phil Boguszewski, for around $300. He keeps the Clipit's flat G-10 handle slabs.
It's also available in flat ground Talonite, made by Rob Simonich, for around $400. Rob uses linen micarta, fully rounded out.
I've handled them both, and have been carrying the Talonite model since January. The Talonite incarnation is, without reservation, one of the best carry knives I've ever owned.
I'd genuinely hate to change a single detail, but if the Talonite has to go as a price concession, I'd move to flat ground ATS-55 or CPM420V. But you'd have to force me to make that change. The Talonite is soooo sweeeet.
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"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, the bear eats you."
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With maybe 420V (S90V), I would definitely have to say a FRN handle would be acceptable. Micarta would be better, but might run the cost too high for it to be acceptable for more than the most discerning knife knut. With VG10, I would think that micarta would definitely be better. With those combinations, if it could be done for $175 MSRP, I would think you would have a winner.
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iktomi
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OK OK if push comes to shove I would like CPM440V steel, micarta handle (black or a dark maroon)and a same coloured tooled leather pouch style sheath. I reckon the belt fixing should allow vertical or horizontal carry. Size and profile of the knife should match the large Wegner folder.
For this little package I would pay US$ 165
(We usually end up paying £=$ here in the UK due to import taxes , value added tax etc etc)
I really would like to see this knife built by Spyderco.
Cheers, Paul.
For this little package I would pay US$ 165
(We usually end up paying £=$ here in the UK due to import taxes , value added tax etc etc)
I really would like to see this knife built by Spyderco.
Cheers, Paul.
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Semi-skinners are so rare in the production marketplace, that I'd probably buy one of these.
Ok, let me get the sacrilegious comments out of the way first ... ;-) -- I see no need for the same hump in the fixed blade that is sort of integral to the folder in order to accomodate the blade profile and the Spyderco hole. A small thumb ramp on the fixed blade, maybe, but not the big hump. The hump just gets in the way while working the blade upside down, running it under the animals hide. Match the handle, skip the hump. I've seen the Simonich pics on the web, and know this blade will look exactly like the folder if it makes it to production for "pattern recognition" reasons, and that this comment will go ignored, but I've dumped my 1.932 cents anyway. The hump ain't beautiful, it's kinda functional, but only for the folders. Sorry Sal, that's how I feel.
Moving onward and upward ...
Handle: in order -- maroon micarta would be a nice change, black micarta next, G10. Anything but camo. I mean, why do I want to camoflage my blade in the woods if I set it down or drop it? Bead blasted is fine for grip. People can polish it with 300 or 600 grit if they don't like bead blast. Vice versa isn't as easy. Whatever, edges chamfered for working comfort. FRN is unappealing and I wouldn't buy it.
Steel: in order of preference --
1st: 420V (Rc58)
2nd: 440V (whatever you've migrated to now, Rc56-57?)
3rd: BG-42 (Rc60-61)
4th: VG-10 (Rc I dunno, 59-60?)
(assuming stellite is too pricey ... maybe a later option or special run with pink micarta? just kidding ... about the pink anyway.)
Blade Length:
3-3/4" is perfect.
Anything between 3-1/2" to 4" range is fine for me in a true hunter. I suppose a tapered tang is too expensive for production line grinding of both blade and handle slabs, eh? Yeah, I thought so.
Sheath: Kydex. Make it precise and secure like Dozier's. No straps and no nylon! Simple one hander. You can remove or insert it plenty quietly if you bother to try. I mean what, are you going to pull your knife with a whitetail in sight and throw it at him or pick your fingernails? Make the belt attachment thin, not clunky, and make it flexible (screws & holes) so you can carry strong side upright, or weakside crossdraw at horizontal or about 30deg tilt to horizontal.
Price: $160 MSRP. You've got Dozier at this price point so you need to keep retail here so the street price is no more than $110 and preferably less, or I'll sketch it and ask Bob to make me one out of D2. No kidding. Well, actually, I already kinda did ... a 3-3/4" semi skinner in black micarta, no hump, D2, and kydex crossdraw. That's why you need to do this out of 420V. Or 440V. Bob doesn't think 440V cuts as well as D2 and hasn't tried 420V yet I don't think. A production maker can keep the 420V price down by buying bulk sheets from Crucible. I know the heat treating research is a pain, but 420V seems destined to replace 440V over the next 3 years or so.
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[This message has been edited by rdangerer (edited 07-25-2000).]
Ok, let me get the sacrilegious comments out of the way first ... ;-) -- I see no need for the same hump in the fixed blade that is sort of integral to the folder in order to accomodate the blade profile and the Spyderco hole. A small thumb ramp on the fixed blade, maybe, but not the big hump. The hump just gets in the way while working the blade upside down, running it under the animals hide. Match the handle, skip the hump. I've seen the Simonich pics on the web, and know this blade will look exactly like the folder if it makes it to production for "pattern recognition" reasons, and that this comment will go ignored, but I've dumped my 1.932 cents anyway. The hump ain't beautiful, it's kinda functional, but only for the folders. Sorry Sal, that's how I feel.
Moving onward and upward ...
Handle: in order -- maroon micarta would be a nice change, black micarta next, G10. Anything but camo. I mean, why do I want to camoflage my blade in the woods if I set it down or drop it? Bead blasted is fine for grip. People can polish it with 300 or 600 grit if they don't like bead blast. Vice versa isn't as easy. Whatever, edges chamfered for working comfort. FRN is unappealing and I wouldn't buy it.
Steel: in order of preference --
1st: 420V (Rc58)
2nd: 440V (whatever you've migrated to now, Rc56-57?)
3rd: BG-42 (Rc60-61)
4th: VG-10 (Rc I dunno, 59-60?)
(assuming stellite is too pricey ... maybe a later option or special run with pink micarta? just kidding ... about the pink anyway.)
Blade Length:
3-3/4" is perfect.
Anything between 3-1/2" to 4" range is fine for me in a true hunter. I suppose a tapered tang is too expensive for production line grinding of both blade and handle slabs, eh? Yeah, I thought so.
Sheath: Kydex. Make it precise and secure like Dozier's. No straps and no nylon! Simple one hander. You can remove or insert it plenty quietly if you bother to try. I mean what, are you going to pull your knife with a whitetail in sight and throw it at him or pick your fingernails? Make the belt attachment thin, not clunky, and make it flexible (screws & holes) so you can carry strong side upright, or weakside crossdraw at horizontal or about 30deg tilt to horizontal.
Price: $160 MSRP. You've got Dozier at this price point so you need to keep retail here so the street price is no more than $110 and preferably less, or I'll sketch it and ask Bob to make me one out of D2. No kidding. Well, actually, I already kinda did ... a 3-3/4" semi skinner in black micarta, no hump, D2, and kydex crossdraw. That's why you need to do this out of 420V. Or 440V. Bob doesn't think 440V cuts as well as D2 and hasn't tried 420V yet I don't think. A production maker can keep the 420V price down by buying bulk sheets from Crucible. I know the heat treating research is a pain, but 420V seems destined to replace 440V over the next 3 years or so.
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[This message has been edited by rdangerer (edited 07-25-2000).]
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Tried to post this yesterday but failed to get through, so here's another shot.
I really do want to see this Wegner in production. I would now want to see BG42 steel , micarta handle (black or dark maroon)
and a tooled leather pouch style sheath (colour matched to handle ). The sheath should allow vertical or horizontal carry. Size /profile should match the current large folder, certainly no larger.
For this great package i'll stump up $175 (and we pay $=£ here in the good old UK)
That's how much I want to see this knife in production.
Do you reckon we have convinced Sal yet?
Paul.
I really do want to see this Wegner in production. I would now want to see BG42 steel , micarta handle (black or dark maroon)
and a tooled leather pouch style sheath (colour matched to handle ). The sheath should allow vertical or horizontal carry. Size /profile should match the current large folder, certainly no larger.
For this great package i'll stump up $175 (and we pay $=£ here in the good old UK)
That's how much I want to see this knife in production.
Do you reckon we have convinced Sal yet?
Paul.
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Tried to post this yesterday but failed to get through, so here's another shot.
I really do want to see this Wegner in production. I would now want to see BG42 steel , micarta handle (black or dark maroon)
and a tooled leather pouch style sheath (colour matched to handle ). The sheath should allow vertical or horizontal carry. Size /profile should match the current large folder, certainly no larger.
For this great package i'll stump up $175 (and we pay $=£ here in the good old UK)
That's how much I want to see this knife in production.
Do you reckon we have convinced Sal yet?
Paul.
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I really do want to see this Wegner in production. I would now want to see BG42 steel , micarta handle (black or dark maroon)
and a tooled leather pouch style sheath (colour matched to handle ). The sheath should allow vertical or horizontal carry. Size /profile should match the current large folder, certainly no larger.
For this great package i'll stump up $175 (and we pay $=£ here in the good old UK)
That's how much I want to see this knife in production.
Do you reckon we have convinced Sal yet?
Paul.
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Are you insinuating that IWB carry somehow violates or betrays the knife's raison d' etre?
Semi-skinning is about as close as I'll ever come to skinning, and yet the knife serves me very well. Is there a reason that a utility knife wouldn't be carried IWB? Should I refrain from using my Shabaria for utility chores because it has a generous recurve, and is otherwise purpose-built for slashing?
Am I not qualified to carry the knife because on my suburban stomping grounds, the sight of a belt carried fixed utility knife would cause me frequent problems? Not legal problems, but just embarassing, inconvenient hassles that are easily avoided with a more discrete carry position.
The man who designed the knife also designed the sheath and carry system. According to him, the knife has many purposes, and many "correct" ways to carry.
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"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, the bear eats you."
For a blade of this type, micarta is a must. It helps the balance and overall "feel" of the knifee. Personally, I don't like the FRN as I find it usually slips at the wrong moment and, though it is tough to break, etc, it's actually quite easy to ding, gouge, etc. It just plain looks too cheap for me, too.
Anyway...I don't know much about VG-10 vs BG-42, etc, but any of the tougher steels (as opposed to the ATS's) would probably be alright. Leahter sheath would be aesthetic, but of course kydex is much more durable, and this would DEFinitely be a worker!
Somewhere around $200 sounds about right. Sorry to be so vague, Sal.
But I definitely want one. (There was a thread awhile back about "If they only built it..." or something like that. I said in that thread that a Wegner fixed blade was my dream blade from Spyderco. Sort of the Spydie equivalent of Nirvana
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Tom
Anyway...I don't know much about VG-10 vs BG-42, etc, but any of the tougher steels (as opposed to the ATS's) would probably be alright. Leahter sheath would be aesthetic, but of course kydex is much more durable, and this would DEFinitely be a worker!
Somewhere around $200 sounds about right. Sorry to be so vague, Sal.
But I definitely want one. (There was a thread awhile back about "If they only built it..." or something like that. I said in that thread that a Wegner fixed blade was my dream blade from Spyderco. Sort of the Spydie equivalent of Nirvana
Tom
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Hi Guys
Sorry it took so long for me to throw my .02 cents in regarding the production WFB.
My original mission/vision for this knife from its inception was this:
I designed it to be a hybrid knife, a sort of utility/hunter/mini-survival/fighter all thrown into one. A Knife that is very tough yet small light and concealable. A knife sporting a multi-functional ambidextrous highly accessible super light & tough injection molded sheath of Kydex TM, or Concealex. The sheath would be two piece held together with 8 to 9 -1/4" black brass eyelets. It would have at least three 1" slots, two in the top half and one at the bottom for rigging purposes. A drain hole would also be included. The sheath would use IWB loops, TEK-LOKS or nylon belt loops as carry options. The total package (knife & sheath) would weigh no more than 7-8 oz.
The knife would weigh 4.5-6 oz.with the sheath @ 2- 2.5 oz.
The blade length: 4"-5" with 4.5" being perfect. Any less and it would lose its hybrid functionality.
Thickness, steel,& grind : 5/32" BG42, flat ground. I'm really starting to like BG42 the more I use it. It holds a great tough edge, is easy to sharpen and is very stain resistant and it also finishes great! VG10 would be next on the list.
Blade type: Modified semi skinner with a non sharpened swedge on the top of the spine from the halfway point to the tip.
The hump would be slightly smaller than on the folder & serrated as well with NO Hole. The tip would be in line with the spine for controlability.
Tang & handle: flat full tang with holes to remove excess weight, maybe even hollowed out for a small stash of survival items and the handle slabs would attach via screws. The handle shape would mirror the large clipit handle but would have a bit more thickness and provide even better comfort.
The center of balance would be centered between the thumb rest on the top and the index finger cut out at the bottom, giving great manuverability, quickness and comfort in the hand. Handle material: textured G-10, or injection molded handle slabs with a new/cool non skid texture. I have one in mind called pug marks (Otherwise known as lion tracks in Africa or tiger tracks in India). I prefer green, black & maroon in that order. Micarta is nice and light but would have to be textured or checkered. As you all know I am an avid hunter, which always plays a major part in influencing my designs. My field experience as a hunter and outdoorsman has given me a fair amount of insight as to what blade shapes work well as all around hunters tools. The semi-skinner is one of those blades that for me, does it all! THANK GOD FOR BOB LOVELESS!!!!!
I welcome your feedback.
Tim
Sorry it took so long for me to throw my .02 cents in regarding the production WFB.
My original mission/vision for this knife from its inception was this:
I designed it to be a hybrid knife, a sort of utility/hunter/mini-survival/fighter all thrown into one. A Knife that is very tough yet small light and concealable. A knife sporting a multi-functional ambidextrous highly accessible super light & tough injection molded sheath of Kydex TM, or Concealex. The sheath would be two piece held together with 8 to 9 -1/4" black brass eyelets. It would have at least three 1" slots, two in the top half and one at the bottom for rigging purposes. A drain hole would also be included. The sheath would use IWB loops, TEK-LOKS or nylon belt loops as carry options. The total package (knife & sheath) would weigh no more than 7-8 oz.
The knife would weigh 4.5-6 oz.with the sheath @ 2- 2.5 oz.
The blade length: 4"-5" with 4.5" being perfect. Any less and it would lose its hybrid functionality.
Thickness, steel,& grind : 5/32" BG42, flat ground. I'm really starting to like BG42 the more I use it. It holds a great tough edge, is easy to sharpen and is very stain resistant and it also finishes great! VG10 would be next on the list.
Blade type: Modified semi skinner with a non sharpened swedge on the top of the spine from the halfway point to the tip.
The hump would be slightly smaller than on the folder & serrated as well with NO Hole. The tip would be in line with the spine for controlability.
Tang & handle: flat full tang with holes to remove excess weight, maybe even hollowed out for a small stash of survival items and the handle slabs would attach via screws. The handle shape would mirror the large clipit handle but would have a bit more thickness and provide even better comfort.
The center of balance would be centered between the thumb rest on the top and the index finger cut out at the bottom, giving great manuverability, quickness and comfort in the hand. Handle material: textured G-10, or injection molded handle slabs with a new/cool non skid texture. I have one in mind called pug marks (Otherwise known as lion tracks in Africa or tiger tracks in India). I prefer green, black & maroon in that order. Micarta is nice and light but would have to be textured or checkered. As you all know I am an avid hunter, which always plays a major part in influencing my designs. My field experience as a hunter and outdoorsman has given me a fair amount of insight as to what blade shapes work well as all around hunters tools. The semi-skinner is one of those blades that for me, does it all! THANK GOD FOR BOB LOVELESS!!!!!
I welcome your feedback.
Tim
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As I am sure evryone knows, I love the Wegner clipits. I obviously would love to see a fixed blade Wegner design come to pass. I really think there would be quite abit of interest in it. The Wegner clipit is a proven design. Tim Wegner has obviously given the production fixed blade alot of thought. I hope we are lucky enough to get it made.
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