Production Wegner fixed blade?

I don't know what else to add exept that it would be a wonderful knife. BG42 would be perfect. I'd prefer a leather sheath in a hunting knife but kydex would be nice too. I really do like the toughness and security of kydex. But it can rattle too which is not so good for a hunting knife. Pricewise I would hazard a guess of around $150 but BG42 is not cheap so maybe higher. I dunno.

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Hoodoo

And so, to all outdoor folks, the knife is the most important item of equipment.

Ellsworth Jaeger - Wildwood Wisdom
 
Hello everyone,
I just noticed the multiple posts I sent here , I'm so sorry about that . I am just so embarrassed,( I even asked Spark if I had been doing something wrong) ,I'm no hot shot with these these here computers, Er then I just noticed page 2.Sorry again, but you do get the drift that I'm a bit keen on this blade being made?
Thanks , Paul.
 
While not a knife guru as far as technical aspects are concerned, I just buy the knives I know I'll get the most use out of. Therefore, let me say that the Wegner, Jr. is my favorite pocket carry when i am ashore. I'd love to get that blade in a FB version. I think 3.5" for the blade is a good size, made out of ATS-55 or VG-10. This blade, for me, will take a beating in the woods, so i need strength in the steel. (I'm really happy with the steel in my large Dyad) As far as the handle, I like the G-10 material, but would prefer the heft of Micarta, if it were bead blasted or something like that to give it a better grip. I'd pay up to $140 for it on the street. I say GO FOR IT, Sal!!!! (note - keep the handle black, and simple, I like the idea of a well crafted leather sheath, but someone earlier suggested offering one or the other, with the other as an a la carte purchase - great idea!)
 
While not a knife guru as far as technical aspects are concerned, I just buy the knives I know I'll get the most use out of. Therefore, let me say that the Wegner, Jr. is my favorite pocket carry when i am ashore. I'd love to get that blade in a FB version. I think 3.5" for the blade is a good size, made out of ATS-55 or VG-10. This blade, for me, will take a beating in the woods, so i need strength in the steel. (I'm really happy with the steel in my large Dyad) As far as the handle, I like the G-10 material, but would prefer the heft of Micarta, if it were bead blasted or something like that to give it a better grip. I'd pay up to $140 for it on the street. I say GO FOR IT, Sal!!!! (note - keep the handle black, and simple, I like the idea of a well crafted leather sheath, but someone earlier suggested offering one or the other, with the other as an a la carte purchase - great idea!)
 
All these high tech stainless steels are nice but I'd prefer good old D2. It is easy to sharpen, holds a great edge and has decent stain resistance for carbon steel. Call me old fashioned but I just prefer carbon over stainless.
That being said, if you build it I will buy it. (even if it's stainless!)
The blade/ sheith combo described in Tim's post sounds like a real winner.
 
Seems to me there's not much further to be said after Mr. Wegner's post. He conceived the knife, and it is obvious that he has dang good reasons for each little detail. So, IMO, do what the man said. Exactly.

I would have wished for textured micarta and 420V or D2; but, I'm not him, and have no good reason for my wishes, other than I don't know any better.
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If it's made like he said, that'll be good enough for me.

Oh, and a properly made kydex/concealex sheath will not rattle while you walk. Certainly none of mine do. And hopefully by the time you need to pull it on a game animal, said animal isn't gonna care if it rattles.

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iktomi

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Nuff said!
After reading Mr. Wegner's post I only have two questions:
1. When?
2. How much ... deposit I mean; I want one!

 
I'd go with what Tim sez, I love the maroon micarta, the blade shape, the flat grind and the kydex. My suggestion is a numbered lot offered to Forumites first! Maybe with a Spyderco logo inset into the butt or the sheath? Would pay $150-$200 retail. Sign me up
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Originally posted by rockspyder:
Seems to me there's not much further to be said after Mr. Wegner's post. He conceived the knife, and it is obvious that he has dang good reasons for each little detail. So, IMO, do what the man said. Exactly.
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This was my point in posting the info about the current fixed Pro Hunter. This is not a knife being dreamed up out of the air. It's a knife that Tim has put a lot of thought and work into, tried different variations of, and turned into his "dream knife".

All of his thought and effort pay off in his final design, and the knife he settles on and produces is the best that can be bought.

It's OK to muse, but on this one, Tim's driving. Sit back and enjoy!

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"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, the bear eats you."

[This message has been edited by Brian_Turner (edited 08-05-2000).]
 
I guess the real question is will there be a production Wegner fixed blade? Obviously I would be very excited about the project. It would definately be a kick a$$ tool.

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Dennis Bible
 
-maroon micarta handle
-kydex sheath (horizontal carry)
-no major steel preference other than it be low maintenance and easy to sharpen and holds an edge.
-MSRP 150.00 or so is good for me.

Knife Nut
 
Okay Sal/Tim, to help out here is a summary of the posts to give you an idea of what has been said...I'd like to keep this alive!
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I have tried to tally these according to preference first, then if no preference was given then I would tally all choices.

Here are the numbers:

Blade material
VG-10 : 12
*BG-42 : 8
440V : 6
420V : 5
ATS55 : 2
D2 : 2
ATS34 : 1
440C : 1
Talonite : 1

Handle Material
Micarta (all) : 27 {maroon : 10, black : 6, unspecified : 11}
*G-10 : 7

Sheath Material
Leather : 12
*Kydex : 9

Cost (MSRP)
Low : $100
High : $200
Rank : $175 (7), $150 (4), $200 (2)
Median : $175

* Tim Wegner's preferences (Looks great to me!)

So a fixed blade Wegner 4.5" blade in BG-42 with G-10 handles and kydex multicarry sheath for $175 MSRP...can it be done?

Jeff Jenness


[This message has been edited by jeffj (edited 08-07-2000).]
 
Selected quotes from the designer:

Originally posted by Tim Wegner:
The blade length: 4"-5" with 4.5" being perfect. Any less and it would lose its hybrid functionality.
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Please stop at 3.98" or it's not legal for self defense and getting to be too big for anything but really big game hunting IMHO (elk, moose).


Thickness, steel,& grind : 5/32" BG42, flat ground. I'm really starting to like BG42 the more I use it. It holds a great tough edge, is easy to sharpen and is very stain resistant and it also finishes great! VG10 would be next on the list.
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Flat grind is good for a hard use knife! BG42 is fine if cryo'd and kept Rc60-61. I'd rather CPM420V at RC58.


Blade type: Modified semi skinner with a non sharpened swedge on the top of the spine from the halfway point to the tip.
The hump would be slightly smaller than on the folder & serrated as well with NO Hole.
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Swedge is ok if left pretty blunt/dull ...this is tactical and not really utilitarian. Good idea on the hump, especially if MUCH smaller. Am I repeating myself?


Tang & handle: flat full tang with holes to remove excess weight, maybe even hollowed out for a small stash of survival items and the handle slabs would attach via screws. Handle material: textured G-10, or injection molded handle slabs with a new/cool non skid texture. I prefer green, black & maroon in that order.
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Lightening holes are a VERY good idea for a production knife...same effect as tapered tang but much simpler/cheaper for production.

I'd skip the gewgaw handle for thingamdealies. Sounds like extra money in mfg and it ain't worth much to most users, not on a knife this size. One bandaid and a single fishhook? Naw. I'll take a permanently pinned and glued handle anyday. And the injection molding needs to be good quality stuff, like Fallkniven's "thermorun"... Zytel doesn't cut it, no pun intended.

Please...not green. Not for outdoors. Maroon is easier to find on the ground, me thinks, except in fall-color leaves. I'm tired of black. But it beats green.


The semi-skinner is one of those blades that for me, does it all! THANK GOD FOR BOB LOVELESS!!!!!

Tim
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Semi-skinners are rare and underappreciated in production market place... and yet one of the most useful shapes around for most utility tasks. Go for it!

Ol' Bob got a LOT of things right with few frills and clean, utilitarian designs. Nothing excess or unnecessary.

No hidey holes. Permanently attached handle please. Bob would "just say no"...

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I think that 4.5" would be just about perfect. BG-42 would rule, maybe a limited production in talonite?

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Dennis Bible
 
The main reason we are this a Wegner Fixed Blade is Tim Wegner. I think we and Spyderco should look at Tim's specs as alot more than a "suggestion". Perhaps, if not carved in stone, at least written in permanent ink.

I would have liked to see a smaller knife, but 4 to 4.5 would work. Keeping this thing legal in most places is I think a good reason to look at just under 4".

As far as steel goes, I think that is something Spyderco and Tim will work out based on a number of issues including performance, Cost, and production facilities. It would be interesting to have this knife in one of the more exotic steels, but I trust Sal and Spyderco to pick the steel.

Anyway, I think it is important to keep this thread alive and on the first page for a while, Until Sal makes it back from where ever he has gone.

It would be interesting to know what he is thinking at this point.


Mike

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In the spirit of keeping it alive..... BTTT!
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iktomi
 
My preferences would be: CPM420V , Canvas Micarta (or any other micarta) , and a leather sheath, with a MSRP of less than $200. I do not like the Moran style handle. And the deletion of the "hump" would be a plus. If you do make a stainless steel version, and a stellite version, I will place an immediate order for one of each at my friendly neighborhood knife store.
 
A lot of intereting input. I spoke with Tim a little bit about this at the Guild Show. I've been on the road since so no further chat has occurred.

As knife aficianados, please keep in mind that the "general market ELU" does not purchase "drop point" FBs as much as other models.

sal
 
What Sal said. This would be a great knife but it may not be Spyderco's top seller. To be honest the design of this particular knife can't be fully appreciated simply by looking at it on the shelf. Tanto (which are far less useful IMHO) and spear point blades look great on the shelf, especially to a non-enthusiast that is pumped up to buy a "cool" knife.

I think Talonite is out of the question. The Camillus(?) Talon is *more* expensive that Rob's Cetan - way too much for a production fixed blade if you ask me. I don't have any experience with VG-10 but if it holds an edge as well as the ATS steels, is more stain resistant than ATS steels and is stronger than 440v, then go for it. I really liked the BG-42 on my old Sebenza but if it would cost more than VG-10 it's probably not worth it.

I think a Kydex sheath would help sell more but personally I prefer leather sheaths, they seem easier on the knife and aren't as loud.

Since this is a specialized knife that would fall into the "high end" category, I say go for Micarta over the FRN. FRN with the inlay is nice, but the Moran already has it. I say let this one look a little more like a handmade custom.

I don't remember from the photo, but if the end of the tang (and thong hole) isn't exposed, but sure to add a stainless steel lined thong hole.

This would be a great knife that Spyderco could market to the high end hunters and knife enthusiasts. I'd find a way to buy one.
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My two cents...

Jon
 
Originally posted by Ghecko:
.....The Camillus(?) Talon is *more* expensive that Rob's Cetan - way too much for a production fixed blade if you ask me....
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Better get a Talon quick, Ghecko. Unless you already have a Cetan, that is. I bet they're going to go up soon. OBTW, last I heard, as of 28 July '00, Rob's no longer taking orders for his knives. Talon's gonna be the only way to go if you want a Cetan. Or used, maybe.

Another thing... last time I looked, the Talon wasn't more expensive than the Cetan, unless you looked in the wrong place (or I did). Anyway... I digress, and that isn't the topic here. Sorry about that Sal.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... as far as I'm concerned, I would be fine with the specs that Mr. Wegner posted above.

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iktomi
 
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