Proposed drawings of -1- H.I.'Hawk & Southwestern Bowie.

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Bro Mohd 'Hawks are much like khukuris in the weight factor and are according to size.
In taking AWAG I think the 'Hawk pictured with handle will go around 1 3/4 Lb., but a lot depends on how the kamis interpret the model.

Brian if it's at all possible soak the handle prior to putting the head on it.
Another benefit from doing it this way is that it helps the head go on much easier due to the lubrication from the oil, even conventional handles with a wedge benefits from the treatment.
And the leather thong done up in epoxy is a great idea!!!!
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And for those who want to beautify their 'Hawk's, a propane torch with a fine touch can be used to scorch bands around the handle and then sanding smooth and rubbing in more oil until a nice finish is obtained. This sort of imitates the banded maple found on some period pieces.
After that's done if desired you can put in the fancy tacks and other work like horsehair and tin cones.
Crazycrow has all these items as well as Grey Owl in New York.
Of course after all that work you won't be wanting to throw it anymore.
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Good point Will and one I will fix in the model.

Thanks Bro. I think it's gonna be fun too!!!!
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I'll be sure to try the boiled linseed oil soak for my next handle replacement, Yvsa. Here's the pic of my CS Plainsman Hawk:

<a href="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bcknives/images/CS%20Plainsman%20Hawk.jpg"><img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bcknives/images/CS%20Plainsman%20Hawk.jpg" alt="Cold Steel Plainsman Hawk" border="0" width="259" height="166"></a>

If you click to look at the full-size picture, you can see the leather wrap under the head. I haven't added tin cones & horse hair... yet, but I did personalize it a bit otherwise. The paint was coming off the head from use so I helped it along by stripping the rest of it. I did some scorching of the wood & added a cherry stain to improve appearances and I put in some finger grooves & tacks to give me a better grip. Here's a close-up of the handle:

<a href="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bcknives/images/CS%20Plainsman%20Hawk-handle.jpg"><img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bcknives/images/CS%20Plainsman%20Hawk-handle.jpg" alt="Plainsman Hawk Handle" border="0" width="257" height="106"></a>

I know that the handle will break at some point but all it will take is a little effort & practically no cost to personalize a new one.

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[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 06-08-2001).]
 
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I just saw on Andy's ATC Forum that his pipe 'hawks are non-functional.
I wrote and asked some questions so we'll see I guess.

What puzzles me is that http://www.crazycrow.com sells functional pipe 'hawks without any problems it seems.
And there's a local ndn store that also sells pipe 'hawks they get either from CCTP or their supplier.
I know the people that own the store and will ask them about any state or federal laws.
And it may be that the pipe'hawk
will be made where each individual buyer can complete it by drilling a small hole.
Almost everyone has a hand drill or access to one.
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I wish crazycrow trading post's pipe 'hawks were made from steel instead of iron as they have several styles, but like I said before, sorta, "The iron 'hawks make serviceable weapons and are okay for Light chopping."
Iron is better than bronze and bronze is better than stone and we're just a bunch of spoiled brats because we have Good Steel.!!!!!!
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The kamis made a variety of styles and sizes and hatchets and axes they call macheras so this is going to be nothing new to them and I think the secret is to turn them loose with a wood model and let them use their own manufacturing techniques to make a couple of prototypes for us and we can fine tune these.

How's that for sticking to short sentences.

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That's good Bro!!!
With a name like Martino and Cherokee blood it's a wonder that you're not much, much worse than me.
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Must have been all that time living in Nepal when all you could do to answer was shake your head up and down and grin.
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And hoping the Nepali wasn't saying something like....Well you get the picture and I can't use that kind of language here.
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Bill Martino wrote -

"The kamis made a variety of styles and sizes and hatchets and axes they call macheras"

Wow.

Any further info on this word, Bill? It could just be coincidence, but it's practically the same word as machaera (for anyone just joining us, the ancient greek word for the curved sword believed by many to be the ancestor of the khukuri). And used to describe a cutting tool...
 
Howard, I used Citristrip, an aerosol paint & varnish remover. It goes on as a foam & I found it a lot easier to use than brush-on products I had tried in the past. They recommend using it with one of their stripping tools but I found paper towels & some Scotch Brite to work fine.

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Brian is this "Citristrip" a toxic product like so many of the strippers are?
I wonder if it will strip stain as well as the other finishes?
And probably any of the large home supply stores should have it, right?
I haven't found any of the citrus based products offensive or unsatisfactory, they seem like an ideal solution to many problems.

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Just wondering if there are any fans of Scagel knives here besides me?

If I can do justice to him (?), Perhaps the 2nd Bowie prototype based on the Scagel Style?

What do y'all think?
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Yvsa, although it was easier & more pleasant to use than other strippers I've tried, it is still toxic. I can't tell you if it will work on stains since that use isn't mentioned on the can. I got mine at Home Depot so I imagine similar stores will carry it.

BTW, you are not the only Scagel fan & I'd love to see you design the SW Bowie in his style.

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Will the edges will be hardened much like the khukuris sweet spot.
Although I think the hardness should be cut back to Absolutely No more than 58 Rc. Anything over that it will chip too much IMO.

Tom I didn't weigh my Blackhawk's head alone, but the head and handle of the spike 'hawk should go about
1 1/2 to 1 3/4 Lb.

Thanks Brian. I have a Scagel design coming along pretty soon. I will post it in this thread, stay tuned.
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Brian I followed the link you placed to the RMJ Forge, this is the same smith who made my pattern-welded blade and the knives from a Harley chain that I wrote about some weeks back. He lives not far from here.

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Here is the Scagel style SW Bowie.
I drew it pretty much to scale and 1/4"=1"
The blade will be from 2" to 2 1/2" wide and 12" long. The Bowie will be 18" oal.
Again let me know what y'all think.
I really like this one!!!
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But it is kinda like the YCS and I must admit bias.
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And keeping to the Scagel style it will be a stick tang blade, but the tang will be full length and will be peened over on the end.
There will also be one rivet through the handle. Should be super dayumed tough!!!
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[This message has been edited by Yvsa (edited 02-15-2001).]
 
Tom, to show you just how observant I am I hadn't even thought about the work connection until you mentioned it.

I think they can do a good job on this project. The hatchets and axes I've seen in Nepal did the jobs they were assigned to do and did them well. I'm sure that most of our kamis have made macheras so it will be nothing new for them.

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Yvsa, nice job, sign me up for a 'Hawk
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Quick question, what is the purpose of the "triangle" spike as opposed to a thicker "straight" spike? It would seem that there is a possibility that the "barb" would "catch" & make extraction difficult? This is a curiosity question & not any type of recommendation for a design change.

I know almost nothing about the design or use, excpet as a weapon, of a 'Hawk - and the "use" part is only in fiction such as the Leatherstocking Tales & movies such as the Patriot.
 
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