Pussification of America - My Rant

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When the Boy Scouts are being told they can no longer carry knives to scout meetings, and when some guy on the trail sees a 3.5-inch knife on my belt and asks "why do you carry that big knife?", things have indeed reached a depressing state. I like your chosen title for this thread.


Hiking boots, fine.
Pistol? For camping? Oh...
Three knives? One of those BK's would've sufficed. You kind of did go overboard...

Not everyone has the same idea of camping. Some prefer RVs in big parks and lots of people, some prefer the seclusion of deeper wildernesses. I seldom carry more than one full-sized fixed blade on personal hikes, and I don't mind being unarmed as I wander the woods if I am alone. I am usually photographing or observing wild life, and so camouflaged and quiet enough that I will likely be aware of any threat before it is even aware of my presence. But if I have my wife and children along...who are almost never quiet, I will definitely be armed. I take my role as their protector very seriously. Then there are some deeper places in the mountains here where I go camping and hunting that I would never go unarmed to due to the covert meth labs and growing operations. I was wandering those woods before those things came along, and I really do not like the idea of being pansy enough to give up activities I love because of someone else's criminal activities.
 
I agree and this just reinforces our obligation to encourage and support outdoors activities, be it camping, backpacking, shooting, fishing, hunting, etc.

My wife invited my son’s 13-year old girly friend on our AT hike. She had hiked and camped with us before and coming from a family that has never camped let alone hiked, she was ecstatic and joined us on a pretty brutal 30 mile AT hike. She still loves it and I can only hope we ignited a spark as she loves the outdoors and is now more comfortable than ever.

Is there “wussification”? Absolutely! I think we see more of it with the proliferation of social media and a more digital world (both a boon to outdoor activities or an excuse to sit on your “fourth point of contact”). I see the evidence of “wussification” as an opportunity. There are many more that need to be introduced and led into more natural and positive environments. I applaud the OP for reaching out and offering and more of us should do the same.

I’m not a “glass half full” or “glass half empty” kind of guy. Why decide, why not get off your butt and fill your glass up and then you’ll have more than enough to share?

ROCK6
 
I’m not a “glass half full” or “glass half empty” kind of guy. Why decide, why not get off your butt and fill your glass up and then you’ll have more than enough to share?

ROCK6

Quote of the day. :thumbup:
 
Living and hiking where I do (counted 7 bear on my last weekend trip) I find all of this to be kind of ironic but it probably all depends on where the camping is being done. Campgrounds, national forests, and true Wilderness are all different beasts and can necessitate slightly different kits.

Sloppy camping, unsecured food and hygiene products attract bears; clean up and follow the triangle principle and you likely won't have trouble with bears in camp. I am more familiar around bears than cougars but in this part of the world cougars seemingly want nothing to do with humans. Again, secure and prepare your food away from your sleeping area and you can minimize your worry considerably. No criticism of anyone, just some points to consider when camping in bear and cougar country. There are far more "legends" about bear/cougar attacks of humans than actual documented cases with factual evidence and the fallacies tend to perpetuate themselves.

When I camp with a firearm, my thought processes are mainly oriented to two-legged threats; proper travel ethics can help you avoid 99% of four-legged threat. YMMV

Are there significant amounts of real incidents (not legends) with bear and cougar in Pennsylvania? I mention PA because it was brought up in a post...and I don't know much of PA fauna/flora.
 
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Are there significant amounts of real incidents (not legends) with bear and cougar in Pennsylvania? I mention PA because it was brought up in a post

Significant? Maybe not, but I know first hand from a reputable source of a lion incident at a pig farm. The DNR of course denied it even with photo evidence of paw prints. Bears I am not sure, but why take the chance.
 
Who goes camping at a pig farm? Of course the lion was drawn there, it's a waiting buffet.
 
Hiking boots, fine.
Pistol? For camping? Oh...
Three knives? One of those BK's would've sufficed. You kind of did go overboard...

Being that he lives in Utah and the chance of a wild life encounter however remote is a possibility bring a pistol is not a bad idea. Carrying said pistol to his sons elementary sho promotion ceremony would have been overboard. I bring A glock 20c, bk14, a chopper I made and a crkt m16 ( becuse I don't care what happens to it) I would rather be able to protect my family from potential dangers that be caught defenceless. All things taken into consideration it really isn't overboard At all.
 
We have mountain lion and mojave rattlers around our house, so I don't even take the dogs for a walk without a gun, let alone go camping without one.

...I do enjoy a few games on my phone at night though, even when camping. :)
 
People need to spend more time outside. The more time you spend inside the more you begin to think that is reality, and it's just not. Go put on your boots grab a good knife, a 357 and fishing poll and have a wonderful time outdoors.
 
Not sure I see things exactly the same way over here but I do see some similarities. I've not tried the parenting thing yet. I might give it a go one day but at the moment other things interest me much more. That said, I know if I ever do there will be two cardinal features that I will need to be present 1] promote what it is to have an enquiring mind, 2] I don't give a hoot what you get into providing you get into something. Why, because I think the two biggest blights an individual can be burdened with are caused by the passive acceptance of stuff and apathy.................................Sure, I'd like to think that if I reproduced I'd get them out doing the same sorts of stuff that I'm into. It's difficult for me to envisage having a child that I wouldn't be teaching to sharpen knives, or fish, or how smug you can be in the outdoors amongst others for which the weather is an enemy to be afraid of, and all that. And it's virtually impossible for me to imagine not being able to instil a respect for nature and living systems, an understanding of evolution, and a grounding in as the documentaries call it “life on earth”. I'm sure there's no guarantee of success though. For all I know I could sire some handicapped effeminate euroweenie that wanders around with trousers at half-mast, that gets all god bluffed, wants to go to Goa to find himself, and believes that Bradley Manning shouldn't be facing a firing squad. Bit like the terrier that wont snap rats. You can try your best, and you'll love it anyway despite that insistent whisper of disappointment that knows it would rather be potato living in some old woman's armpit..........................................That said, I also know that I can be very egocentric and hyperbolic when things irritate me and I'm taking the piss out of them, and it can be very hard to actually find what “the right line” is when I let go of that and think more critically. For example, I woke up to the news yesterday and the results of a survey were being reported. Apparently something like 18% of school children believed that fish fingers contained pig or chicken. I thought “yay, they're getting smarter” because of what I thought they'd started to grasp about the lower than dog-food grade slime that's in a lot of that processed crap. My optimism was short lasting. The next result was that 34% believed pasta was made from meat. I was aghast. Do what? Just how much of a bunch of subtards are these people? More, what kind of ignorant, apathetic, revolting scummy individuals are your parents? Knee jerk reaction: “It's like there is a separate race of these monstrosities spawning all over the place, and someone needs to put the antibacterial assault down”. Then I get to wondering more. I remember a thing I saw last year about how many children have never seen a cow in the flesh. And that chains on to how surprised I was at seeing the surprise of someone else that had never seen the sea before. I was astonished. It was like watching a puppy encounter snow for the first time. The sea is so commonplace to me, egocentrically, it had never occurred to me how irrelevant and alien it could be to others, and why....................................I doubt I'll ever truly shake my gut feeling about “Pussification” when it relates to the outdoors. I figure that's probably because it is so ingrained and automatic to me a lot of it doesn't require conscious processing. It seems weird to me when others have to consciously wrestle with the small stuff, make lists about stuff I just know like a reflex, and that kind of thing. It seems even more weird when folks are so detached from it they no little or nothing of it, then suddenly that deficiency discloses itself all at once; “I couldn't kill it/eat it”, “I couldn't light a fire”, “We ate shrooms and got lost”. It's just so damn jarring it's hard not to say Pussy.....................................To remain reasonable I try to combat that tendency in myself by running other worlds through the mincer. Take for example cyberspace: Have a peek a the Tech Support & Help on this very forum and you'll find loads of clueless people that for all practical purposes are every bit the pussy that has been pussified by never been taught how to fish in a different land. I'm not talking about password cracking and penetration testing and stuff that some of us do for fun and others find as boring as collecting knives or stamps, I'm talking about really basic stuff. The cries and whines go up, “I can see adverts”, “I'm getting redirected to another site”, “I'm getting.......”. I'm thinking strewth, this site relatively safe compared to many. Sure Quantserve did have a deservedly bad reputation for what it did with user data it collected but how hum, easy fix. And you get a few trivial issues here with stuff that you can control, regulating scripts, blocking stuff in your browser, and running good hosts files on your OS. It's all tiny stuff that can be regulated client side yet you whine like you are a victim with no control. If that's the network you expose to do your banking, buy stuff, chat confidentially, download pr0n, and all that then, you are a moron. You have as much business thinking you can navigate cyberspace smartly as Stephen Hawking does trying to negotiate the jungle in Belize. You're a n00b and a pussy, and it is only by dint of good fortune that something hasn't come along yet and made a food of you...............................Yeah, that helps me regain a bit of perspective despite my natural tendency. I'm sure I could pluck a tweed off a grouse shoot in the rain on a hillside in Scotland and stick him somewhere in which he is the pussy, and not to ramble on a longer I'm going to simply call that place here. Some kids are raised to know that a McDonald's cup of ammonia in the face and a house brick can be all you need to hold your ground just as well as someone else knows about bear spray in a different environment.
 
Interesting thread. Two things come to mind.

1. "Pussification" is the best word I can think of to describe what is going on with many of the soft urban youth of today. If you are offended by the term you may very well be suffering from it.

2. A two pound channel cat pulled from a cool flowing river in early spring, fried in a skillet over a fire is one of the finest things you can put in your belly....
 
Reminds me of the other day! I'm 18 and was out of town on a trip with our Lacrosse team, a close friend who knows I make knives and always carry one or two asks me for my CQC-7 to cut a string on his stick. What ensued was twenty some other players referring to me as a "serial killer" and such. I laugh it off and what not, its a tool not a weapon. The better part was my middle aged coach, whom is a great mentor to all of us turns to me with a grin and looks down at his own pocket where his favorite kershaw folder was clipped. We ended up talking about knives for the rest of the ride home. The moral of the story is do what makes you happy and whats important to you, others feel the same way.
 
Since around here a pistol when camping gets you a free ride to jail, a shotgun makes a good substitute.
Better for bears and every other critter as well. :)

And only 3 knives? Step it up man! :D

The shotgun definitely makes an excellent substitute up here since we can't use/transport handguns anywhere but to the range and back home. I'm hoping to pick up a Dominion Arms Grizzly 12ga sometime soon though since it comes with a factory stamped 11.5" barrel. Useless for hunting at that length, granted, but with a folding stock its a light and compact camp gun that's compatible with Remington 870 parts.
 
Agreed, shotguns are great for both 2 and 4 legged defense. That Dominion Arms sounds cool, I'm going to have to check it out!
 
Agreed, shotguns are great for both 2 and 4 legged defense. That Dominion Arms sounds cool, I'm going to have to check it out!

11 1/2" barrel is not legal where you are without a special ATF license and registration.
 
11 1/2" barrel is not legal where you are without a special ATF license and registration.

That's likely right sodak. Normally it wouldn't be legal here in Canada either, unless the barrel was designed (and stamped) for that length by the manufacturer.
 
Great Thread---

I have 2 Points I need to make

I agree 110% with his comments about what is happening with American men.I see it DAILY!!!

I started martial arts training in 1969(I am 52 now)-and live the lifestyle of health and good nutrition.I can look at somone and determine levels of fitness very quickly.

I am also a Chiropractic Doctor and have seen all type of patients and the injuries they suffer from.

My point is not so much that the younger generation does not go camping,or other outdoor sports/activities.

My point is that most of the men and women I treat who are under 30 years old do not do ANYTHING that involves effort.(or risk).

No exercise at all--nor will most of them read the articles I suggest.

Its VERY acceptable for them to watch TV and or play video games ALL NIGHT-EVERYNIGHT

and Childhood Obesity rates have tripled in the last 20 years due to this(and other factors)

My advise to all of you is to take care of yourself NOW and get as much Indoor and Outdoor exercise as you can.(and camping will do just fine)

And to introduce your friends-family-co-workers to that lifestyle as well.Its a great way to bond with your kids and if done right--they will always ask for more.

The 2nd Point is this is a Free Country and a lot of Very Good men died to give you and I the right to carry a pistol, and or as many knives as you damn well choose to while camping..(I spent 6 years in the Military Police)

I do not have the right to say someone went overboard with what they choose to carry as long as they are not a danger to me or themselves.

Sincerely

Dr.Bill
 
Its funny, I was talking to a fellow in a tire shop about this very thing (tho left out the colorful references)...

He was a good bit older than me, and talking about 10-12 day hikes he does w/ family and friends into the back country and how they love it...I don't know if I'd go that long, but I'd love to get a 5ish day trip in. Someday, hopefully not too far down the line...

I think its alot of different reasons...cost in particular for one as well as economics. We're well into the two-income families these days, and getting an opportunity where both can get time off work to go on extended adventures is challenging. It can also be quite spendy, depending on where you're going and what you're doing. For some folks, there isn't a river to just go down to and fish at the drop of a hat...And alot of kids have been sucked into 'well so and so got to go to the mouse trap, and that what I want to do.' Much more exciting than sitting around a camp fire, pitching a tent, or going fishing down at the lake. We grew up camping, and there are few better memories for me than just sitting around a crackling fire with my family. It will be some time before today's youth truly appreciate what a luxury that can be. I hope to pass that on to my own when the time is right.

The other thing, and this is becoming more common (IMHO)...is that back a generation or so, it was fairly common/acceptable for men to go off into the woods on hunting/fishing trips, etc. Be gone for a few days to a week or so with the guys, you know, doing man stuff. This is mindset is being lost...the leashes are getting shorter...and there is the want of the frequent 'check-in' (thankyou cell phone inventors) to make sure that you'll not be gone a second longer than absolutely necessary, cuz you're just out 'screwing around' with the guys (and not home helping with the chores, etc).

As it stands, today is mostly about image over substance and how to get rich quick with little effort. We recently got a magazine with a cover reading 'How to Raise a Man'...it was mostly mumbo-jumbo feel good stuff. Nothing about masculinity, great outdoors, hunting/shooting/camping, big block V8's, sweat, work, comradery, calluses, bruises and scars, etc. It was rather sad.

BOSS
 
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Its funny, I was talking to a fellow in a tire shop about this very thing (tho left out the colorful references)...

I think its alot of different reasons...cost in particular for one as well as economics. We're well into the two-income families these days, and getting an opportunity where both can get time off work to go on extended adventures is challenging. It can also be quite spendy, depending on where you're going and what you're doing. For some folks, there isn't a river to just go down to and fish at the drop of a hat...And alot of kids have been sucked into 'well so and so got to go to the mouse trap, and that what I want to do.' Much more exciting than sitting around a camp fire, pitching a tent, or going fishing down at the lake. We grew up camping, and there are few better memories for me than just sitting around a crackling fire with my family. It will be some time before today's youth truly appreciate what a luxury that can be. I hope to pass that on to my own when the time is right.

The other thing, and this is becoming more common (IMHO)...is that back a generation or so, it was fairly common/acceptable for men to go off into the woods on hunting/fishing trips, etc. Be gone for a few days to a week or so with the guys, you know, doing man stuff. This is mindset is being lost...the leashes are getting shorter...and there is the want of the frequent 'check-in' (thankyou cell phone inventors) to make sure that you'll not be gone a second longer than absolutely necessary, cuz you're just out 'screwing around' with the guys (and not home helping with the chores, etc).

As it stands, today is mostly about image over substance and how to get rich quick with little effort. We recently got a magazine with a cover reading 'How to Raise a Man'...it was mostly mumbo-jumbo feel good stuff. Nothing about masculinity, great outdoors, hunting/shooting/camping, big block V8's, sweat, work, comradery, calluses, bruises and scars, etc. It was rather sad.

BOSS

I agree with most of what you said. Where I think differently is where you draw the man-line. My daughter is only 22 months old, but I plan to get her a .22 and take her on the non-restricted firearms course when she hits 12. I will work to instil in her a love of the planet and its green spaces, and she has as many toy cars as she does dolls. I know I'm trying to strike back against a world run by Disney (a stance my sister likes to call 'fending off a landslide with a flip-flop'), but I'll do my best--until she decides otherwise, that is.

But I don't want a V8 and don't see it as a prerequisite for the postmodern man. I see him as someone who can light a fire with a steel, fix something instead of tossing it and change a diaper without making the baby lose her head over it. I don't see shootin' as being all that important, but the ability to see past his community's groupthink is a real plus. Being outside rather than in front of the TV is a no-brainer, but I see that as a human thing, not a man thing.

Now, if only I could get the missus to even *try* a firesteel...
 
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