Quartermaster Officially Busted

Jammer Six said:
If you say so. To my eye, those knives aren't even close to each other.
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Jammer Six said:
I'd say you need to look closer, but if you want them to be the same, okay, they're the same.
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Sure, the contours may not be 100% exactly the same when using a micrometer and a few details are different here and there, but to deny any similarity by saying they "aren't even close to each other" well sir I must question your eyesight or powers of observation.
 
Jammer Six said:
If you say so. To my eye, those knives aren't even close to each other.
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You seem to try really really hard to go against the grain for what seems like simply the sake of doing so. If you dont see the similarities between those two knives you either are intentionally being obtuse or you yet again have no idea what is going on and what is being compared.
 
wensynch said:
'For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.
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New Balance Shoes are "Made in USA" if they have 70% domestic content, "Assembled in USA" if less than 70%. (and the other 80% of their production isn't built here).
I guess the 30% foreign materials are insignificant compared to the cost to build the shoe?

I try to support "Made in USA", but those shoe models are getting more scarce and expensive all the time. At least they still have a running shoe factory here, I can't think of anybody else that does.
 
PURPLEDC said:
You seem to try really really hard to go against the grain for what seems like simply the sake of doing so. If you dont see the similarities between those two knives you either are intentionally being obtuse or you yet again have no idea what is going on and what is being compared.
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Why not both? :D
 
Taxmantoo said:
New Balance Shoes are "Made in USA" if they have 70% domestic content, "Assembled in USA" if less than 70%. (and the other 80% of their production isn't built here).
I guess the 30% foreign materials are insignificant compared to the cost to build the shoe?
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This claim is likely okay as a claim with qualifications/limitations. In plain English, Made in USA means exactly that, without qualification, it must be pretty much entirely in the USA. For parts or processes which can't be made in the US, not feasible, or just geographically limited, the claim can still be made as long as it's truthful and accurate, which is the name of the game.

Say like, the rubber sole is Farmed from China or Mexico, whole shoe then becomes 30% foreign.

QUALIFIED CLAIMS
What is a qualified Made in USA claim?

A qualified Made in USA claim describes the extent, amount or type of a product’s domestic content or processing; it indicates that the product isn’t entirely of domestic origin.

Example: "60% U.S. content." "Made in USA of U.S. and imported parts." "Couch assembled in USA from Italian Leather and Mexican Frame."

When is a qualified Made in USA claim appropriate?

A qualified Made in USA claim is appropriate for products that include U.S. content or processing but don’t meet the criteria for making an unqualified Made in USA claim. Because even qualified claims may imply more domestic content than exists, manufacturers or marketers must exercise care when making these claims. That is, avoid qualified claims unless the product has a significant amount of U.S. content or U.S. processing. A qualified Made in USA claim, like an unqualified claim, must be truthful and substantiated.

Example: An exercise treadmill is assembled in the U.S. The assembly represents significant work and constitutes a "substantial transformation" (a term used by the U.S. Customs Service). All of the treadmill’s major parts, including the motor, frame, and electronic display, are imported. A few of its incidental parts, such as the handle bar covers, the plastic on/off power key, and the treadmill mat, are manufactured in the U.S. Together, these parts account for approximately three percent of the total cost of all the parts. Because the value of the U.S.-made parts is negligible compared to the value of all the parts, a claim on the treadmill that it is "Made in USA of U.S. and Imported Parts" is deceptive. A claim like "Made in U.S. from Imported Parts" or "Assembled in U.S.A." would not be deceptive.
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I miss those days too. Gone are the days of the gen 2 Adidas Superstar, although I don't think they were ever made in the US, or maybe they were/, I still have like 5 pairs, really old pairs.
 
Jammer Six said:
If you say so. To my eye, those knives aren't even close to each other.
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You need more reading and less posting practice. You would know that the design was obtained from Warren Thomas under less than legitimate and honorable means. I think your overall knowledge of knives is a bit too on the new guy side to make any such determinations. even when offered side by side pictures.
 
Just a troll Rev.....just a troll.

RevDevil said:
You need more reading and less posting practice. You would know that the design was obtained from Warren Thomas under less than legitimate and honorable means. I think your overall knowledge of knives is a bit too on the new guy side to make any such determinations. even when offered side by side pictures.
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Taxmantoo said:
New Balance Shoes are "Made in USA" if they have 70% domestic content, "Assembled in USA" if less than 70%. (and the other 80% of their production isn't built here).
I guess the 30% foreign materials are insignificant compared to the cost to build the shoe?

I try to support "Made in USA", but those shoe models are getting more scarce and expensive all the time. At least they still have a running shoe factory here, I can't think of anybody else that does.
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way off topic, but i seem to remember some of that percentage of shoe materials from elsewhere is due to no domestic production of it anymore. none of that would apply to quartermaster products.
 
Jared gets his Nike shoes on dhgate :poop: haha....
 
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The Warren Thomas debacle really makes me mad, because I love the design and feel of my Mr Roper. If it was made with better materials (or at least materials that can be verified) from a less garbage company I would be ALL OVER IT. The Warren Thomas version is expensive enough to be on my "Sure, if I win the damn lottery" list.
 
You've come a long way, we've had some back and forth over this more than a few times :D

I don't think the mr.roper looks like a bad knife honestly. But I wouldn't take one if it were free.
 
There's a chapter on one of Murray Carter's books about how one millimeter changes the design of a blade completely.

I was skeptical when I read it, but after watching this thread and looking at those two knives, I agree with him completely.

Those two knives aren't the same. At all. One is a clumsy copy of the other, drawn in crayon on a napkin. If you don't see the lack of elegance in the copy, I'd suggest reading one of Murray Carter's books. I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but now I agree with him on this. Both knives have a handle, both knives have a blade. That's about it for similarity.

If I were the original designer, I'd be flattered that someone tried to copy my design, but I certainly wouldn't be worried about competition from such an inept, bungling source.
 
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Jammer Six said:
There's a chapter on one of Murray Carter's books about how one millimeter changes the design of a blade completely.

I was skeptical when I read it, but after watching this thread and looking at those two knives, I agree with him completely.

Those two knives aren't the same. At all. One is a clumsy copy of the other, drawn in crayon on a napkin. If you don't see the lack of elegance in the copy, I'd suggest reading one of Murray Carter's books. I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but now I agree with him on this. Both knives have a handle, both knives have a blade. That's about it for similarity.

If I were the original designer, I'd be flattered that someone tried to copy my design, but I certainly wouldn't be worried about competition from such an inept, bungling source.
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So your argument is that Quartermaster didn't steal his design because they've done so poorly?

Good news China! You've got carte blanche with American IP!
 
Jammer Six said:
There's a chapter on one of Murray Carter's books about how one millimeter changes the design of a blade completely.

I was skeptical when I read it, but after watching this thread and looking at those two knives, I agree with him completely.

Those two knives aren't the same. At all. One is a clumsy copy of the other, drawn in crayon on a napkin. If you don't see the lack of elegance in the copy, I'd suggest reading one of Murray Carter's books. I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but now I agree with him on this. Both knives have a handle, both knives have a blade. That's about it for similarity.

If I were the original designer, I'd be flattered that someone tried to copy my design, but I certainly wouldn't be worried about competition from such an inept, bungling source.
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this must be Jared, he's the one who copied Warren Thomas with a crayon on napkin. its wrong no matter how you look at it. no one should be proud of someone steeling your design. especially without permission and against his will.
 
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That's the legend? The design was smuggled out on a napkin?

Someone should write a thriller novel.
 
There's nothing new under the sun. All the designs one can dream up have been done before.

If what you say is true, no one would design knives, because they'd all be copying somebody.
 
So what if the parts are machined in China at Chinese rates using say CPM S30Vn and Us made titanium, carbons fiber, etc and then assembled and finished the US? Would that be any less confusing as GM, Ford and Chrysler parts and cars having Canadian content counted as "American?"
 
Works for me. I prefer goods from overseas. The market is world wide. The best thing that can happen to American manufacturing is world wide, cut-throat, vicious competition.
 
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